For those with MPINicks T25 Upgrade..

[jeffmsp]

how much did it end up costing you?

what was the turnaround time?

Did you get your S pipe or exhaust manifold ported with it?

what are you using to tune? Anyone running just fuel control? (no timing control)

Anyone running it on the stock motor?

If you had a chance to do it over again, would you still upgrade the T25R or just spring for a GT28RS?

What was your overall impression of the work that was done?


Thanks for your replies, Jeff

[Qidan]

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[ND4MSP]

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[apocman]

I love my upgraded MPNick T25R/GT25R!!!

it spools super fucking fast and yes I got the S-pipe and exhaust manifold done, but I didn't the S-pipe becuase I have the complete ION 3" turboback exhuast. I can't fucking beleive how much more power my car seems to have. I was goofing around with the turbo setup on my old motor becuase I had an extra one and I wanted to see what the turbo could do. My car lept like a Cheetah and would throw your fucking ass back into the seat to the point a guy who was 6" something and of decent size said he would truly had a hard time reaching for the dash...

I ran stock motor with MPI and J&S at 12psi daily forever and then would do some fun runs at 15psi...

I thought I blew the first engine, but it ended up only being backed out all of my exhuast manifold bolts....

I ran that day with me and the other guy on a cold night 16.9psi, 17 psi and then 19 psi before backing out the bolts and let me tell you it was a fucking animal.

Total cost was $580 to have the turbo, exhuast manifold and S-pipe ported and polished and to have the GT28RS wheel installed.

All I can say if you already have the turbo YOU CANNOT GET ANY BETTER FOR $580!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

[lcruz64]

Yeah I want it.

[sweetlou69]

would this upgrade be worth it to someone like me..ive got most major mods except for the manifold..im runnin like 10psi on the stock motor..would 10psi on the upgraded turbo do alot more than standard 10psi

[jeffmsp]

the stock turbo is more than enough to blow the motor,so with the modified one pumping more air than the stock, it will fail at lower boost levels. I believe the upgrade would make 10psi pull harder in the top end.

[wicked]

I suggest the gt28rs,if you want to lay bigger power later,or if you want to drag.
not because it has higher output potential,but it is better for boost in the top end due to it taking longer to spool,and flowing higher CFMs it will hold steddy high boost better.

if you want this for just daily driving,fun,and HP range about 200-250,then the stage 1 t25 will be fine,it's a lot easier to fit in then the GT28RS.


I say this because if you want good times at the track,you will be hurt trying to keep traction with a turbo that spools as fst as the stage 1 T25 does,even though on paper the dyno will show about the same peak HP per same PSI.

[lcruz64]

if you want this for just daily driving,fun,and HP range about 200-250,then the stage 1 t25 will be fine,it's a lot easier to fit in then the GT28RS.

Stage I is machine out your comp housing. Port out your exhaust housing, S pipe and exhaust manifold. Add a larger comp wheel. This set up flow very well, go for up to 320-330whp with the right mods.

I will think MPNick is right on this just because the stock turbo OEM as is will make 250whp now with larger internals(gt28) it will probably make more than what it was originally designed for 250whp, I will think that once you do this upgraded t25r and dyno it you'll probably get less than 320whp unless you have a good mechanic.

[Titanium-99]

my MPI nick turbo will be here next week and I will be the third person here in dallas to get it. Richard apocman has it and so does moeed, who before the mpi nick turbo he was running n/a on his p5. for the money you can beat the nick upgrade and its going to put down power comprabale to the disco patato.

[goku4658]

super subbed

[wicked]

you miss understood me.

the stage 1 can produce the same HP as the GT28RS,it just dos it in a different spot in the RPM range.

it spools earlier,and flows less CFMs then the disco does,causeing it to have more lowend on boost,and boost sooner.this makes it a harder turbo for launching.

the disco has to take more time to spool making it easier to keep traction,and doesn't fall off in the top RPM the way the stage 1 will.


get it?

stage 1 vs. the disco
part 2.

stage one and disco=same peak hp
disco ---------spools slower,stays constant boost through higher revs
stage 1-------boost comes on quike and strong,hard for traction,falls of at higher RPM when boosting higher.

[wicked]

just wanna make sure you read this

[lcruz64]

just wanna make sure you read this
Have you seen the CFM graph for the stage I or stage II? Can you post them? I have looked for them and have not been able to find them. Up to my knowledge and the research I've done never seen anything about an upgraded t25r to loose boost at higher rpm's and also I've never had niether on my car so can't compare, but if you can find the graph that would be big help.

[igdrasil]

are you all upgrading only the compressor?

[lcruz64]

Stage I is Compressor side machined and upgraded wheel.
Stage II is Compressor side and exhaust side machined and upgraded wheels.
Both Stage I & II include the manifold and s-pipe porting.

[apocman]

All I know is my car "if memory serves me correct was boosting very early, but not one time did I feel it back off or plain out and that was at 6500rpm and up to 19psi,

Now I backed my exhuast manifold bolts out, but the fucking car was a tiger jumping on a kill...

as a matter of fact the guy that was in my car was not physically able to reach forward and touch the dash the entire time I was in boost...

I was able to throw five grown men back in their seats in my car in every gear through the entire rpm range while under boost at 10psi (the one in the middle in the back seat complained becuase he did not have a headrest like the others and it hurt his neck snapping back....

I know for a fact my cock must have instantly grown three feet each time I went into boost with this turbo setup made my love makin to the wife turn into " I'm gonna bang you till you can't walk shit" and all she could do is mur'mer weird sounds in attemps to talk afterwards before passing out from exhuastion and a complete feeling of satisfaction....


Yep all I know is I sure would love to race a disco agianst my setup now that I got FRANKEN'SPICY running agian, as of last night....

Im tellin ya complete utter satifaction with this setup. you will truly feel like a well hung porn star when at your local hangouts

[jeffmsp]

wow that sounds pretty good.

[goku4658]

wow that sounds pretty good.

word

[Wesman II]

wow that was x rated.
Me too, I have the MPNick treatment plus ported Spipe & manifold. Mine was damaged from abuse? when he took it apart & the wastegate was fragged, cost me over $1100. My fuel system is stock with a BEGI rising rate FMU and essentialspeed O2 modifier. My engine is built with Wiseco pistons and Pauter rods, ported head too. I haven't really stomped on it with race gas yet, but I have run it with 94 octane and water injection at 15psi for very short periods (like 5-10 seconds). 15psi pulls like a bastard, but most of my trackdays I stick to 9 or 10psi. I have not dynoed it with this setup.
IMHO I should have gone GT28RS, but I didn't know my turbo would be so costly to fix until it was all apart.
I have a FJO wideband that reads 10.2 for most of the rev range at 9spi. At 15 psi it leans out very badly above 5k. I have a 255lph walbro waiting for install next month.

[BOOSTR]

Wow, the Long John turbo upgrade.

[Bigg Tim]

I know for a fact my cock must have instantly grown three feet each time I went into boost with this turbo setup made my love makin to the wife turn into " I'm gonna bang you till you can't walk shit" and all she could do is mur'mer weird sounds in attemps to talk afterwards before passing out from exhuastion and a complete feeling of satisfaction....

(rlaugh) That shit was funny as hell. Sooo, what you're saying is you like it???? Too funny man!!!

[JBreed]

(rlaugh) That shit was funny as hell. Sooo, what you're saying is you like it???? Too funny man!!!


haha...that is funny! I now Rich and Darlene for years now, he only gets sex online! J/K man you know I love ya!!

[JBreed]

I love my upgraded MPNick T25R/GT25R!!!

it spools super fucking fast and yes I got the S-pipe and exhaust manifold done, but I didn't the S-pipe becuase I have the complete ION 3" turboback exhuast. I can't fucking beleive how much more power my car seems to have. I was goofing around with the turbo setup on my old motor becuase I had an extra one and I wanted to see what the turbo could do. My car lept like a Cheetah and would throw your fucking ass back into the seat to the point a guy who was 6" something and of decent size said he would truly had a hard time reaching for the dash...

I ran stock motor with MPI and J&S at 12psi daily forever and then would do some fun runs at 15psi...

I thought I blew the first engine, but it ended up only being backed out all of my exhuast manifold bolts....

I ran that day with me and the other guy on a cold night 16.9psi, 17 psi and then 19 psi before backing out the bolts and let me tell you it was a fucking animal.

Total cost was $580 to have the turbo, exhuast manifold and S-pipe ported and polished and to have the GT28RS wheel installed.

All I can say if you already have the turbo YOU CANNOT GET ANY BETTER FOR $580!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

who told you your motor was not blown??? jut curious old buddy...

[Bigg Tim]

haha...that is funny! I now Rich and Darlene for years now, he only gets sex online! J/K man you know I love ya!!

Poor guy, maybe he does need a bigger one, that way he would get it more!!(thumb)

I am considering this setup as well. I have seen it make 330whp at 15psi with race gas, intrercooler sprayer and an exhaust cutout. So I don't think that if it falls off up top, he could of made that much power.

People need to figure out what they want, then decide on the turbo setup. After seeing it in person, I would recommend it, but it never hurts to do research.

[yashooa]

haha...that is funny! I now Rich and Darlene for years now, he only gets sex online! J/K man you know I love ya!!
oH BURN...http://www.msprotege.com:8080/smilies/loser.gif

Yes, I too will have Nick "extend" my stock turbo.

[wicked]

you guys need to keep in mind that the disco is happy running up at 25-27 PSI.

down in the teens,I don't think either will fall out of efficiantcy range,the stage 1 may start at 18 or so,but not before.

the stage 1 will however start boosting ealier then the disco(something I definatly DON'T want)

I like to have my car on the 1/4 list,so I need to put in effort to keep traaction the best I can.


I also recamend running the actuator source ealier,like from the turbo,or the hot pipe to help the waste gate creep open rather then full boost-to spike.

[Bigg Tim]

you guys need to keep in mind that the disco is happy running up at 25-27 PSI.

down in the teens,I don't think either will fall out of efficiantcy range,the stage 1 may start at 18 or so,but not before.

the stage 1 will however start boosting ealier then the disco(something I definatly DON'T want)

I like to have my car on the 1/4 list,so I need to put in effort to keep traaction the best I can.


I also recamend running the actuator source ealier,like from the turbo,or the hot pipe to help the waste gate creep open rather then full boost-to spike.

Intersting, where would you source the vacuum then?

[wicked]

Intersting, where would you source the vacuum then?


you don't need to for the waste gate,it only needs boost to open it,spring pressure to keep it closed.

the closer you put the actuator line the sooner it will open the gate,causeing slower spool,and no spike.

you run the source at the manifold,and it will open the gate a lot later,causeing quik spool,but you get boost spikes.

[terbow]

im tappin my compressor housing, my t3t4 had one in it. i liked it.

[wicked]

most cars are run like that,IE SRT-4,subbies,volvo's.

[Moeed]

I am pretty impressed with the set up thus far. Stock boost psi for stock boost psi, I will dust a msp like nothing. I still need to address my exhaust due to me still running on the p5 stock exhaust. It makes the baby turbo cry.

[wicked]

I am pretty impressed with the set up thus far. Stock boost psi for stock boost psi, I will dust a msp like nothing. I still need to address my exhaust due to me still running on the p5 stock exhaust. It makes the baby turbo cry.

why did you upgrade?you don't need it with your setup listed.

did you blow your stock one?

[BlkZoomZoom]

why did you upgrade?you don't need it with your setup listed.

did you blow your stock one?

Why do you say that?

[wicked]

Why do you say that?


just going by his sig,he's not built,no head work,stock P5 exhaust,so it sounds like he upgraded because of a messed up stocker,or it's what he but in from day 1.

wasn't trying to sound like a ass.

[BlkZoomZoom]

He has a P5

[wicked]

He has a P5


but from the sound of it,he is running a MSP kit on it.

[jeffmsp]

anyone running the upgraded T25R with just fuel control? How much are you boosting and with what injectors?

[RyanJayG]

Moeed is running 505Zoom's stock msp setup. the turbo had shaft play, so a rebuild as in order anyways.

[wicked]

Moeed is running 505Zoom's stock msp setup. the turbo had shaft play, so a rebuild as in order anyways.


umm.................cool?
I mean shitting the turbo had so much play,but sweet for the upgrade.http://www.msprotege.com:8080/smilies/biggthumpup.gif

[jeffmsp]

has anyone had any success with reusing the compressor housing and wheel from a T28 rather than machine the T25R housing to accept the larger wheel? I have access to a T28 with blown seals that would be a perfect donor for the hybrid..$40 for a balance....turbo upgrade for under $100 cdn....mmmm i hope it works.

[wicked]

sweeeeeeeeet.

[apocman]

don't know! call Nick and see if he has any advice... good luck

[Moeed]

Totally missed you wicked. The turbo was out of the car, and I said might as well make it a fuckin beast if its going to go in. I looked at cars running a similar set up like focus and Dean's msp, and figured this wouldn't be a bad route at all and has plenty of potential once the motor is built too.

[wicked]

Totally missed you wicked. The turbo was out of the car, and I said might as well make it a fuckin beast if its going to go in. I looked at cars running a similar set up like focus and Dean's msp, and figured this wouldn't be a bad route at all and has plenty of potential once the motor is built too.


I don't blame you for goin with it,it's a good combo,and has good response for it's comp size,and a hell of a lot easier to install then a GT28RS.

but for those willing to go the extra mile for the GT28RS,they are NEVER sorry.

[Focusdestroyer]

I will think MPNick is right on this just because the stock turbo OEM as is will make 250whp now with larger internals(gt28) it will probably make more than what it was originally designed for 250whp, I will think that once you do this upgraded t25r and dyno it you'll probably get less than 320whp unless you have a good mechanic.
okay now exactly who's talking out of their but cheeks-I have dyno'd my msp-w/mpi tuner fmic all charge pipes-throttlebody-motor mounts-bpv-cold air-mam 2.5" downpipe 1 hi flow cat and a 700.00$ manga flow muffler all mandrel bent hi flow exhaust piping-and i put out 218whp- so you are not thinking correctly if you think the stage 3 upgrade is going to push-320-330whp-ask focus -his car running a mam manifold-put out 326whp-w/10000.00 in mods on top of it-the stock mass air meter and mpi combo has been proven not to let u creat more than 330whp-ask to see dyno sheets-also by machining the stock it is unreliable-and will only last 15000 miles and u will be spending1100.00 all over again-i would know-kcuf focus

[BlkZoomZoom]

Sounds like you have a shitty set-up. I made around 260-270whp on the stock set-up and around 310-320 on the Stage1 MpNicks turbo.

[RyanJayG]

okay now exactly who's talking out of their but cheeks-I have dyno'd my msp-w/mpi tuner fmic all charge pipes-throttlebody-motor mounts-bpv-cold air-mam 2.5" downpipe 1 hi flow cat and a 700.00$ manga flow muffler all mandrel bent hi flow exhaust piping-and i put out 218whp- so you are not thinking correctly if you think the stage 3 upgrade is going to push-320-330whp-ask focus -his car running a mam manifold-put out 326whp-w/10000.00 in mods on top of it-the stock mass air meter and mpi combo has been proven not to let u creat more than 330whp-ask to see dyno sheets-also by machining the stock it is unreliable-and will only last 15000 miles and u will be spending1100.00 all over again-i would know-kcuf focus
punctuation much?

[wicked]

ok,if you guys are blowing out the center section of the stock turbo,why do you think the stage one will last?

not trying to rip here,just piece of mind.

[BlkZoomZoom]

How is it piece of mind if you don't own the turbo?

Your right though, you know, of the what? 5+thousand Msp's we have had maybe 5-10 turbo failures that didn't relate to the wastegate. Everyone should go out and buy a GT28rs to make Wicked feel better about buying a turbo that has shown less potential than the one in question.

[yashooa]

How is it piece of mind if you don't own the turbo?

Your right though, you know, of the what? 5+thousand Msp's we have had maybe 5-10 turbo failures that didn't relate to the wastegate. Everyone should go out and buy a GT28rs to make Wicked feel better about buying a turbo that has shown less potential than the one in question.
HAHAHAHAHAH Wow ZOOM I love you man!
I can't wait to get my Nick turbo! (thumb)
It will have to wait a bit but I just got 3500 in bonus money so maybe for Christmas the march towards mucho ponies can begin.
I don't care to be the fastest. I just want some good power with an MPI and an MPI Nick stage 1. Bang for buck. (first)DA WINNAR!!!

[apocman]

Oh God!! we got another internet expert!!! Please pull your head out of your ass and realize you suck or your car sucks, or both....

Please sell your car, I don't want people thinking I'm a dumbass like you...



okay now exactly who's talking out of their but cheeks-I have dyno'd my msp-w/mpi tuner fmic all charge pipes-throttlebody-motor mounts-bpv-cold air-mam 2.5" downpipe 1 hi flow cat and a 700.00$ manga flow muffler all mandrel bent hi flow exhaust piping-and i put out 218whp- so you are not thinking correctly if you think the stage 3 upgrade is going to push-320-330whp-ask focus -his car running a mam manifold-put out 326whp-w/10000.00 in mods on top of it-the stock mass air meter and mpi combo has been proven not to let u creat more than 330whp-ask to see dyno sheets-also by machining the stock it is unreliable-and will only last 15000 miles and u will be spending1100.00 all over again-i would know-kcuf focus

[Bigg Tim]

okay now exactly who's talking out of their but cheeks-I have dyno'd my msp-w/mpi tuner fmic all charge pipes-throttlebody-motor mounts-bpv-cold air-mam 2.5" downpipe 1 hi flow cat and a 700.00$ manga flow muffler all mandrel bent hi flow exhaust piping-and i put out 218whp- so you are not thinking correctly if you think the stage 3 upgrade is going to push-320-330whp-ask focus -his car running a mam manifold-put out 326whp-w/10000.00 in mods on top of it-the stock mass air meter and mpi combo has been proven not to let u creat more than 330whp-ask to see dyno sheets-also by machining the stock it is unreliable-and will only last 15000 miles and u will be spending1100.00 all over again-i would know-kcuf focus

So who is this really? I see 2 post counts and the first was in the MAM area. I think someone here is full of it or just made a BS username to post more BS, or has a butt buddy that wants to down talk other peoples stuff.

If you really made only 218whp, what boost was it at? If you this is real, then you can't tune for shit!!! I have seen the stage 1 put out 330whp at 15psi, so why the hell wouldn't it put out more???? And where do you get the stock turbo not being reliable after this? You have no proof here slick, there are people running this setup with close to those miles.....if they havn't hit it already!

Nick has never advertised the stock MAF supporting this power. That's why he has a larger MAF setup to support higher power levels. So why don't you post with your main account and quit hiding behind a bogus username! It's hard to believe you've been around here long enough to get all the stuff you have and never posted before until the unfulfilled orders thread in the MAM area.

[nvmsp]

damn. yall are gettin on this dude. I'll let everyone know how it feels compared to stock in about a month, I just gotta take off my turbo set-up this week and it's off to Nick.


And yea you really must have a shitty set-up , stock MSP's w/ only the MPI are capable of 200+ HP with no other mods except the MPI.

[jeffmsp]

well if he is running stock boost that number seems about right for the mods he had.

[Focusdestroyer]

Sounds like you have a shitty set-up. I made around 260-270whp on the stock set-up and around 310-320 on the Stage1 MpNicks turbo.
you are full of it-is you weinnie 12" long and 4" thick too.rite

[jeffmsp]

im pretty sure those numbers are accurate.

[RyanJayG]

you are full of it-is you weinnie 12" long and 4" thick too.rite
english much?

[Focusdestroyer]

well if he is running stock boost that number seems about right for the mods he had.
all of you guys need to dyno your car anr then we will race-the main-and your stock car w/ an MPI tuner will only create about 176whp at the wheels you stupid aasss-also how does an exhaust make your engine create more horsepower????how does a FMIC or an air intake create more horsepower?????or yet how does a shiny shifter or stereo make your car go faster??? you are all stupid....the is some periods for the spellchecker guy.........somemore or is it some more>>>>>....you engine is only built and designed to create hp raising boost or focing induction-will gain hp-but the block is only going to create so much. so your stock whp are all a bunch of small dick lies-and why cant you guys beat an sti-the only have 330 engine hp-think how muh hp you lose through awd-and yet you cant beat one-and you have 60 more hp
kcuf focus-kcuf bigg tim-and kcuf apocman-mpi dickryders

[igdrasil]

haha what a lame

by the way...does anyone here has a pic of the stock t25 msp turbine wheel or know the trim of it?

[BlkZoomZoom]

all of you guys need to dyno your car anr then we will race-the main-and your stock car w/ an MPI tuner will only create about 176whp at the wheels you stupid aasss-also how does an exhaust make your engine create more horsepower????how does a FMIC or an air intake create more horsepower?????or yet how does a shiny shifter or stereo make your car go faster??? you are all stupid....the is some periods for the spellchecker guy.........somemore or is it some more>>>>>....you engine is only built and designed to create hp raising boost or focing induction-will gain hp-but the block is only going to create so much. so your stock whp are all a bunch of small dick lies-and why cant you guys beat an sti-the only have 330 engine hp-think how muh hp you lose through awd-and yet you cant beat one-and you have 60 more hp
kcuf focus-kcuf bigg tim-and kcuf apocman-mpi dickryders

Why I am responding to this I don't know.


I have beaten quite a few Sti's, Evo's, Srt-4's, Corvettes,Mustangs, etc. A few other members on here have witnessed it. Never said I didn't up the boost or touch the exhaust though. If you are friends with Focus, I suggest you go to him for advice on tuning, he seems to be pretty sharp.

[igdrasil]

let me remind him... 605whp!

And this is not the best run.

http://home.coqui.net/igdrasil/gallery/turbo/cp323a.wmv

http://home.coqui.net/igdrasil/creative_engine.jpg
http://home.coqui.net/igdrasil/creative2.jpg

[Moeed]

thanks for shitting on this thread Focusdestroyer. I leave you with these pics:

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Moeed/tu3/DSCF0124.JPG

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Moeed/tu3/DSCF0125.JPG (http://www.msprotege.com/members/Moeed/tu3/DSCF0125.JPG)

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Moeed/tu3/DSCF0126.JPG (http://www.msprotege.com/members/Moeed/tu3/DSCF0126.JPG)

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Moeed/tu3/DSCF0127.JPG

[apocman]

OMG!!! I'm so scared he e-yelled at me!!! Boo-Hoo!!!! I need to run and hide...

Please, sell your car! please, please...

your such an ass-hat, all we need is people thinking we all have an IQ of 10...

I can see it now your at the track or local hangout, pull up in your car looking and acting like your the be'all know'all of car tuning...

Stating shit like this!!!! Oh wait, of course that is if you have time to chit'chat while tending to your only source of making money= (blowjob)






all of you guys need to dyno your car anr then we will race-the main-and your stock car w/ an MPI tuner will only create about 176whp at the wheels you stupid aasss-also how does an exhaust make your engine create more horsepower????how does a FMIC or an air intake create more horsepower?????or yet how does a shiny shifter or stereo make your car go faster??? you are all stupid....the is some periods for the spellchecker guy.........somemore or is it some more>>>>>....you engine is only built and designed to create hp raising boost or focing induction-will gain hp-but the block is only going to create so much. so your stock whp are all a bunch of small dick lies-and why cant you guys beat an sti-the only have 330 engine hp-think how muh hp you lose through awd-and yet you cant beat one-and you have 60 more hp
kcuf focus-kcuf bigg tim-and kcuf apocman-mpi dickryders

[jeffmsp]

and why cant you guys beat an sti-the only have 330 engine hp-think how muh hp you lose through awd-and yet you cant beat one-and you have 60 more hp
kcuf focus-kcuf bigg tim-and kcuf apocman-mpi dickryders

Im beating STIs from a roll at 10psi of boost on the stock turbo and on the stock motor. Think about what 14 would do..

[Mutmatt]

let me remind him... 605whp!

And this is not the best run.

http://home.coqui.net/igdrasil/gallery/turbo/cp323a.wmv

http://home.coqui.net/igdrasil/creative_engine.jpg
http://home.coqui.net/igdrasil/creative2.jpg

wow i love that engine bay! lol and who cares about the guy that comes to a place that is supposed to be all about helping eachother he can go (blowjob) for all i care! back on topic!

so did we come to the consensis that the t25rs upg is to much to fast to keep the wheels on the ground and the t28 is the way to go to get big strong consistant power (that is on a built motor)

[igdrasil]

a t28 will do better, the stock turbine wheel and housing is not good for 300+whp

[KzA]

thanks for shitting on this thread Focusdestroyer. I leave you with these pics:

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Moeed/tu3/DSCF0124.JPG

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Moeed/tu3/DSCF0125.JPG (http://www.msprotege.com/members/Moeed/tu3/DSCF0125.JPG)

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Moeed/tu3/DSCF0126.JPG (http://www.msprotege.com/members/Moeed/tu3/DSCF0126.JPG)

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Moeed/tu3/DSCF0127.JPG

Damn that is sexy...Who made that DP?

[Moeed]

Damn that is sexy...Who made that DP?

That d/p was made by corksport. It was real tough getting that thing to bolt to the turbo. The nut on the inside of the bend had to be tightened first. the last pic however is the port job that nick does on the calloway S-pipe on the msp.

[low_psi]

Moeed, PM me pictures of the backside of the turbo if you have them, I want to see the new wastegate before I order one.

[Moeed]

Marc, sorry dont have any pics of the wastegate. Didnt even think about it. It looked almost identical to the stock one, minus the adjustment nut and rod. I'll ask Adam how it is holding boost.

[low_psi]

Cool thanks. I didn't think the replacements ATP sells came with adjustments but I assume there weren't any issues getting it to fit properly. My buddy has a spare WG act from his t28r laying around, but I'm too lazy to dig it up since I'm pretty sure it won't fit. The arm has a kink in it :(

[wicked]

How is it piece of mind if you don't own the turbo?

Your right though, you know, of the what? 5+thousand Msp's we have had maybe 5-10 turbo failures that didn't relate to the wastegate. Everyone should go out and buy a GT28rs to make Wicked feel better about buying a turbo that has shown less potential than the one in question.



wasn't really refering to piece of mind for myself,more for others.

you seem to not be understanding me on this topic here BLKZOOM,I am a fan of what nick is offering,and think it is a awsome alternative to the GT28RS,but the fact remains,the GT28RS is more capable of holding much better efficientcy at higher boost levels.
also will help keep traction better do to it's tendecy to spool a little slower,and reach take longer in the RPM range to get to full boost.


think about it,you have almaost the same turbo,exept the GT28RS has a larger compressor housing,aswell as inlet,and charge outlet.
allowing the same turbine wheel to flow a higher amount,and less revolutions.

[KzA]

this is meant as a cheaper alternative for power adding than the gt28rs..this is like 600 maximum, while the gt28rs is friggen 1200 plus however insance amount of time it takes to get one....this is one hell of an UPGRADE to the stock Msp..not a replacement

[Moeed]

think about it,you have almaost the same turbo,exept the GT28RS has a larger compressor housing,aswell as inlet,and charge outlet.
allowing the same turbine wheel to flow a higher amount,and less revolutions.

The turbo is severly treated by Nick. Lots of porting on the turbine exhaust port, as well as the inlet and outlet on the compressor side. The turbo is heavily reworked. It would make no sense to put the 28 guts in with out no treatment to the housing of the turbo, but Nick addresses that with all the port work that is done.

[igdrasil]

The turbo is severly treated by Nick. Lots of porting on the turbine exhaust port, as well as the inlet and outlet on the compressor side. The turbo is heavily reworked. It would make no sense to put the 28 guts in with out no treatment to the housing of the turbo, but Nick addresses that with all the port work that is done.

why not just fit a t28?

[RyanJayG]

The turbo is severly treated by Nick. Lots of porting on the turbine exhaust port, as well as the inlet and outlet on the compressor side. The turbo is heavily reworked. It would make no sense to put the 28 guts in with out no treatment to the housing of the turbo, but Nick addresses that with all the port work that is done.

A) I thought the stage I (which is what I thought we were talking about) only treated the compressor

B) I thought Nick trimmed down the inductor to make it fit in lieu of porting the inside of the housing

maybe someone who knows could correct me, but this is what I always understood it to be

[Moeed]

why not just fit a t28?

Im working with what i got :)


A) I thought the stage I (which is what I thought we were talking about) only treated the compressor

B) I thought Nick trimmed down the inductor to make it fit in lieu of porting the inside of the housing

maybe someone who knows could correct me, but this is what I always understood it to be
Ill double check for ya Ryan.

[jeffmsp]

has anyone tried mating the T28 compressor housing and turbine from a dsm or SR20DET to the T25R?

[MPNick]

a t28 will do better, the stock turbine wheel and housing is not good for 300+whp
Not true,Dean made over 310whp and 338 torque with only 15psi and a small intercooler.

It will make more then 330 whp and 360 torque. Anyone other then Dean making 338 torque @15psi on this forum?

[jeffmsp]

man these mpis are making great numbers. Nick any reason you rework the stock turbo rather than used a T28 comp housing and turbine?

[jeffmsp]

man these mpis are making great numbers. Nick any reason you rework the stock turbo rather than used a T28 comp housing?

[smo0f]

Hey, i work 10 minutes away from Nick's shop. Am i lucky or what.

[MPNick]

man these mpis are making great numbers. Nick any reason you rework the stock turbo rather than used a T28 comp housing?

Boost responce. The stock turbo reworked along with our port work make a very strong case for going with this package.

[smo0f]

I will buy 10 of whatever the hell you are talking about.


All I know is my car "if memory serves me correct was boosting very early, but not one time did I feel it back off or plain out and that was at 6500rpm and up to 19psi,

Now I backed my exhuast manifold bolts out, but the fucking car was a tiger jumping on a kill...

as a matter of fact the guy that was in my car was not physically able to reach forward and touch the dash the entire time I was in boost...

I was able to throw five grown men back in their seats in my car in every gear through the entire rpm range while under boost at 10psi (the one in the middle in the back seat complained becuase he did not have a headrest like the others and it hurt his neck snapping back....

I know for a fact my cock must have instantly grown three feet each time I went into boost with this turbo setup made my love makin to the wife turn into " I'm gonna bang you till you can't walk shit" and all she could do is mur'mer weird sounds in attemps to talk afterwards before passing out from exhuastion and a complete feeling of satisfaction....


Yep all I know is I sure would love to race a disco agianst my setup now that I got FRANKEN'SPICY running agian, as of last night....

Im tellin ya complete utter satifaction with this setup. you will truly feel like a well hung porn star when at your local hangouts

[wicked]

Boost responce. The stock turbo reworked along with our port work make a very strong case for going with this package.



IMO,i don't think running this turbo for above 300hp,and running it at the track is the way to go,the boost response may be nice for lower hp,but when going high,you must factor in loss of traction from early boost.

[BlkZoomZoom]

IMO,i don't think running this turbo for above 300hp,and running it at the track is the way to go,the boost response may be nice for lower hp,but when going high,you must factor in loss of traction from early boost.

You can remedy that with something called slicks.

[cosmo420]

where can I inquire for one of these I am tired of hearing about it already, Sorry i have been away for a while so I missed out on alot

[Moeed]

where can I inquire for one of these I am tired of hearing about it already, Sorry i have been away for a while so I missed out on alot

Hit up the man himself, MPNick.

[vindication]

Not true,Dean made over 310whp and 338 torque with only 15psi and a small intercooler.

It will make more then 330 whp and 360 torque. Anyone other then Dean making 338 torque @15psi on this forum?
yeah, this dude. http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123618192

[MPNick]

yeah, this dude. http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123618192

Where is the dyno files? I did not see any. I see a claim only. Lets see the dyno files before it becomes law.

[vindication]

I'm waiting for them too. sub to that thread. he said his builders are away. who knows? give him some time since he isn't on the forums that much

[MPNick]

IMO,i don't think running this turbo for above 300hp,and running it at the track is the way to go,the boost response may be nice for lower hp,but when going high,you must factor in loss of traction from early boost.

So you do not want more then 300 for drag racing? Or do you want a lot of turbo lag for drag racing? Not sure what your point is with your post.

[apocman]

Or buy a good boost controller that can control boost via MPH and when I upgrade my boost controller I will be able to control boost via MPH, RPM and torque...




You can remedy that with something called slicks.

[apocman]

shit man, I can say is that was one of the best things I have experienced before...

buy the MPI with extra injectors and the turbo upgrade by MPNick and you will know just what I'm talking about... I don't have my extra injectors in yet, but hopefully soon and I feel that agian, but even harder !!!!



I will buy 10 of whatever the hell you are talking about.

[Moeed]

yeah, this dude. http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123618192

his dyno was also done with 117 octane gas. (boom08)

[vindication]

yeah, but deans car was done with race fuel too

[JBreed]

whatever...Nick knows Mazdas, and he has proven it...OVER and OVER again!

[vindication]

I'm not saying he doesn't. if/when I need a block I will most likely go to him. he just asked a question and I answered. that simple

[smo0f]

I already called Nick today and told him that I'm going to do all these upgrades. Let the countdown begin. Exhaust from him on friday!!!!!


shit man, I can say is that was one of the best things I have experienced before...

buy the MPI with extra injectors and the turbo upgrade by MPNick and you will know just what I'm talking about... I don't have my extra injectors in yet, but hopefully soon and I feel that agian, but even harder !!!!

[Bigg Tim]

I'm not saying he doesn't. if/when I need a block I will most likely go to him. he just asked a question and I answered. that simple

Not to bash that dyno, but how is he making 30hp per psi when no one ever made that much of a jump on these cars? The average for our cars is 10-15hp per psi. That's the only thing fishy. He has a very nice setup and seems capable of a lot more power. A T3/T4 should be good to 450-500hp, so he has plenty of room to go once he fixes whatever issues he has to keep him from going higher in boost. Some things just don't add up.

[cosmo420]

thanks for the info i am sure I will look into it pretty soon tax time is around the corner and I must take care of my clutch first thing
Hit up the man himself, MPNick.

[igdrasil]

Yeah its difficult to push 30hp per psi, even the best tunners here in PR havent done that. The 605whp fsde ran 40psi of boost, and the one that had 650, ran 30psi and nitrous.
The only cars Ive seen pushing 30whp per psi are the SRT4's

I personally think a T3/T4 should be good for a street and ocassional drag car. The 50trim can do 35psi while the rest can do only around 29-30psi.

I would use a T61 for drag only car, I think this one can go up to 45psi of boost.


Not to bash that dyno, but how is he making 30hp per psi when no one ever made that much of a jump on these cars? The average for our cars is 10-15hp per psi. That's the only thing fishy. He has a very nice setup and seems capable of a lot more power. A T3/T4 should be good to 450-500hp, so he has plenty of room to go once he fixes whatever issues he has to keep him from going higher in boost. Some things just don't add up.

[vindication]

Not to bash that dyno, but how is he making 30hp per psi when no one ever made that much of a jump on these cars? The average for our cars is 10-15hp per psi. That's the only thing fishy. He has a very nice setup and seems capable of a lot more power. A T3/T4 should be good to 450-500hp, so he has plenty of room to go once he fixes whatever issues he has to keep him from going higher in boost. Some things just don't add up.
I am skeptical myself, that is why I am waiting for proof. but it is a heads up. people are to quick to judge. they should reserve judgment till all proof is given. neither yay nor nay really

[Bigg Tim]

I am skeptical myself, that is why I am waiting for proof. but it is a heads up. people are to quick to judge. they should reserve judgment till all proof is given. neither yay nor nay really

I agree with you, but there has been people to never really show proof and still advertise those high numbers. Either way that car is making some nice power and it has more potential.

[Bigg Tim]

There was a post asking at what psi I made 230 at, but I guess it's deleted. I made 228whp at 8psi in NJ.

[RyanJayG]

yeah, I asked, but then I remembered.... so I just deleted it.

[goku4658]

There was a post asking at what psi I made 230 at, but I guess it's deleted. I made 228whp at 8psi in NJ.

wow, thats pretty impressive. do you remember what you had mod-wise when you did that?

[MPNick]

wow, thats pretty impressive. do you remember what you had mod-wise when you did that?

Stage II Modern Performance Inc turbo kit. Modern Performance exhaust system. MPI tuner with two extra injectors. MPI 80mm mass air.

[Titanium-99]

I Just put on the MPI reworked stage one turbo, ported exhaust mani and corksport s-pipe and I have got to say I love this F*ckin turbo it spools up so quick and creats so much tourqe that the car just takes off like no other. I do however have some exhaust leaks at the moment located around the mani to block and turbo to s-pipe but I plan to get that fixed in the next day or two and after that my car should finally be able to be tuned. after all this I hope to be a poster child for Nicks work because the guy really knows his shit and the work he does is amazing!

[Bigg Tim]

wow, thats pretty impressive. do you remember what you had mod-wise when you did that?

^^^What Nick said. All the same mods in my signature except the J&S and WBO2.

[Moeed]

I Just put on the MPI reworked stage one turbo, ported exhaust mani and corksport s-pipe and I have got to say I love this F*ckin turbo it spools up so quick and creats so much tourqe that the car just takes off like no other. I do however have some exhaust leaks at the moment located around the mani to block and turbo to s-pipe but I plan to get that fixed in the next day or two and after that my car should finally be able to be tuned. after all this I hope to be a poster child for Nicks work because the guy really knows his shit and the work he does is amazing!

told you man, once the problems are fixed, its smooth and fast driving. (thumb)

[MPNick]

^^^What Nick said. All the same mods in my signature except the J&S and WBO2.

Did you have these when you dynoed?

[Bigg Tim]

Did you have these when you dynoed?

Not in NJ, I put them in after I dynoed there, so there was no J&S and the WBO2 came later as well. It was tuned off the stock O2 only.

[MPNick]

Not in NJ, I put them in after I dynoed there, so there was no J&S and the WBO2 came later as well. It was tuned off the stock O2 only.

Flying dumb and blind, what a man.

[MPNick]

I'm waiting for them too. sub to that thread. he said his builders are away. who knows?

Dyno files yet?

[vindication]

totally forgot. gonna go ask him. I dont know if I excpect him to post them or not but we'll see.

[MPNick]

totally forgot. gonna go ask him. I dont know if I excpect him to post them or not but we'll see.

I do not think people should post numbers if they do not back them up.

[vindication]

well he is a member who is rarely on so it might take him a while to post it. not saying yay nor nay just yet cause a lot of peopl like to jump the gun but I will give him the benefit of the doubt unless he gives too many excuses

[stomper65]

My buddies friend lives in Utah and has the MPI T25 upgrade. In all honestly it does feel faster than stock, but nowhere near what the GT28RS feels like. I normally don't post, but I feel the stock MSP upgrade might not be the best of choices. The stock T25 flows something like 20-22#. I have seen and read alot of people up there boost on the stock turbo and have seal and bearing failure. This is because the turbo is being pushed past it's efficencey range. Easiest way to say it, it's spinning why to many RPM's. How many people with MSP's have lost there stock turbo and where running more than stock boost? Next issue I have problems with is the A/R of the compressor and turbine housings. Putting a larger wheel into a small housing doesn't make sense when you can get the GT28RS.

[BlkZoomZoom]

Not that many people lost their turbos other than the wastegate failures. I personally loved that turbo. It gave alot more than I ever expected.

[jeffmsp]

well there is of course the cash difference between the upgrade T25R and the GT28RS.. Has anyone with a built motor and a upgraded T25R been dissatisfied? Seems to flow enough for what anyone here has needed. Maybe if you are looking to make a little more power and still have good responce it would be the way to go, but for most the upgrade T25R flows more than needed. Obviously if you want more power than it can supply you would go bigger. Pretty sure most around here arent boosting more than 16psi, even still DSM peeps are boosting 14-17psi with the T25 so if its working for them why wouldnt a T25R w/ BB be ok? no issues with mine running 10+ psi for near 2 years, getting close to the 100K mark.

[MPNick]

In all honestly it does feel faster than stock, but nowhere near what the GT28RS feels like. I normally don't post, but I feel the stock MSP upgrade might not be the best of choices. .

So me the money. You have great theory here, but no facts to back it up.

We made almost 340 torque to the ground and 310whp @15psi, with a very small intercooler and a reworked stock MSP manifold. I see a post in the dyno section for a GT28rs kit with a much bigger intercooler and a header. It only made 297 torque and 276 whp. So where is your claim true. Maybe the GT28rs will make more power above 20psi and 6,000 rpms. For most people the MPI upgrade will get them better power then the GT28rs.

What is you buddy running, the full combo and what is the combo on the GT28rs?

[JBreed]

So me the money. You have great theory here, but no facts to back it up.

We made almost 340 torque to the ground and 310whp @15psi, with a very small intercooler and a reworked stock MSP manifold. I see a post in the dyno section for a GT28rs kit with a much bigger intercooler and a header. It only made 297 torque and 276 whp. So where is your claim true. Maybe the GT28rs will make more power above 20psi and 6,000 rpms. For most people the MPI upgrade will get them better power then the GT28rs.

What is you buddy running, the full combo and what is the combo on the GT28rs?


Is there a MPI upgrade on the GT28RS?
If so, how does it compare to the T-25 upgrade you are talking about?

[MyOrangeToy]

I m interested in this... is there a page w/ more organized information?

[apocman]

just call Nick and he will walk you through it...

[apocman]

stage one= porting and polishing of the exhuast manifold, s-pipe and compressor housing and then he upgrades the compressor wheel to the GT28R...

Stage two= all of the above but a bigger turbine wheel and additional work, but confirm this with Nick to make sure it is right...

[MyOrangeToy]

port and polish of the exhaust manifold?.... So i can't do it if i m in canada?

[apocman]

sure you can do it... You just have to send him your stuff so he can... I don't know what the cost would be though going through customs and all...

[FBI14]

Sorry if someone already asked this but, how long did it take for the process to be completed

[MPNick]

Sorry if someone already asked this but, how long did it take for the process to be completed

It takes us about 7 days to do a setup.

[FBI14]

Thanks Nick

[Metal MP5]

(old thread i know lol)

There is an upgrade for the GT28RS ... talk to Focus or Nick about it, maybe they can give you more details

that's what Focus did 325whp @ like 17psi


Is there a MPI upgrade on the GT28RS?
If so, how does it compare to the T-25 upgrade you are talking about?

[supa saiyan pr5]

anyone knows if nick is still offering this service??? old thread but thats what I get for using the search button..lol..

Jeremy

[crashkelly]

anyone knows if nick is still offering this service??? old thread but thats what I get for using the search button..lol..

Jeremy

i think hes still in business in Jersey...im kinda out near his area...look up Modern Performance Inc. and you should be able to get the number to his shop to call him.

[Bigg Tim]

He still does work on protege's so he will still re-do your turbo if you want. call him up, his number is on the website.

[Packerfan]

Stay away from modern performance and Nick he is a crook who charges for things he doent do. Isnt that right NIck?

[SOCAL MSP]

I suggest the gt28rs,if you want to lay bigger power later,or if you want to drag.
not because it has higher output potential,but it is better for boost in the top end due to it taking longer to spool,and flowing higher CFMs it will hold steddy high boost better.

if you want this for just daily driving,fun,and HP range about 200-250,then the stage 1 t25 will be fine,it's a lot easier to fit in then the GT28RS.


I say this because if you want good times at the track,you will be hurt trying to keep traction with a turbo that spools as fst as the stage 1 T25 does,even though on paper the dyno will show about the same peak HP per same PSI.


lAter I wanna upgrade my turbo but its a daliy driver and I wanna get like as close as I can to 300hp...270, 280 you know?? So what turbo would you rec??? I was looking at the gt28rs

[igdrasil]

the stock t25 will kill your top end with high exhaust pressures...

[SOCAL MSP]

the stock t25 will kill your top end with high exhaust pressures...

No nitendo???? Break it down to me????

[Metal MP5]

that means the stock T25 can't handle that kind of power ... you should look into the GT28R or GT28RS ... the RS spools a bit faster than the 28R iirc and can produce more power. If price is a concern, the 28R would be best for you, as it can produce the level of power you are looking for and costs less than the 28RS

[SOCAL MSP]

that means the stock T25 can't handle that kind of power ... you should look into the GT28R or GT28RS ... the RS spools a bit faster than the 28R iirc and can produce more power. If price is a concern, the 28R would be best for you, as it can produce the level of power you are looking for and costs less than the 28RS

Right thanks...I was looking at the price and its like about 300 or so difference between the gt28 and the 28rs. When that time comes Ill see with which one I go with.....money is always is an issue like you said. Sad but ture......:(

[Metal MP5]

GT28R or GT25 with MpNick's upgrade would be the way to go i think. Both will cost less than a GT28RS and give you even more power than you want

[mspHtown]

GT28R or GT25 with MpNick's upgrade would be the way to go i think. Both will cost less than a GT28RS and give you even more power than you want

how much does the gt28r cost

[SOCAL MSP]

how much does the gt28r cost

Like $900 bills I think or $800..Less than the gt28rs thats for sure....
(breakn)

[SOCAL MSP]

GT28R or GT25 with MpNick's upgrade would be the way to go i think. Both will cost less than a GT28RS and give you even more power than you want

Shoot let me know how much?????

[mspHtown]

Like $900 bills I think or $800..Less than the gt28rs thats for sure....
(breakn)

i got my gt28rs for $965

[ItsSlow]

Im about to get a used gt28(r, Im guessing) for like 3-400 bones.. The guy actually has 2 of them..

[SOCAL MSP]

Im about to get a used gt28(r, Im guessing) for like 3-400 bones.. The guy actually has 2 of them..

Dude Ill pick one up for that price cause its better than $900...Are they in good condition???

[SOCAL MSP]

i got my gt28rs for $965

Used or new???
Where??

[mspHtown]

brand new

lsd motorsports


http://store.lsdmotorsports.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Store_Code=LSD01&Screen=CTGY&Ref=Turbo&Car=UN&Prod=GAR950&Pname=Garrett%20Turbochargers&Category_Code=GAR950-Universal

they are listed for 1039 however, if you get a honda tech username, you get it for 965 shipped. my friend had a user name so i was jsut going to go through him, but all i said to teh company was that i saw their ad on the honda tech forum and they gave me the discount. i didnt have to give his username.

[SOCAL MSP]

brand new

lsd motorsports


http://store.lsdmotorsports.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Store_Code=LSD01&Screen=CTGY&Ref=Turbo&Car=UN&Prod=GAR950&Pname=Garrett%20Turbochargers&Category_Code=GAR950-Universal

they are listed for 1039 however, if you get a honda tech username, you get it for 965 shipped. my friend had a user name so i was jsut going to go through him, but all i said to teh company was that i saw their ad on the honda tech forum and they gave me the discount. i didnt have to give his username.

Not a bad deal.

[ForceFed]

I can get you GT28RS's for about $960 Plus shipping.

[ItsSlow]

Dude Ill pick one up for that price cause its better than $900...Are they in good condition???

I would like to assume they are, but have NO true knowledge of the condition of them until I look at them.. They are still on the guy's car and he won't be taking them off for about another month or so.. He doesnt drive the car everyday so they dont have very many miles on them..

[Metal MP5]

woa those are some good prices on the RS

ATP sells the RS for 1175 and the R for 935 ... i just check that site when i need a quick price. it pays to shop around if you can get one for 965

[SOCAL MSP]

I would like to assume they are, but have NO true knowledge of the condition of them until I look at them.. They are still on the guy's car and he won't be taking them off for about another month or so.. He doesnt drive the car everyday so they dont have very many miles on them..

Well let me know!!!!!

[SOCAL MSP]

I can get you GT28RS's for about $960 Plus shipping.

New????(eyeballs)

[ForceFed]

New????(eyeballs)
As far as I know...

[JBreed]

I have the Sleeper kit from MAM... I'm taking offers, it's complete, GT28RS, tubular mani, radiator, slim line fans, FMIC with black powder coated hard pipes. Also comes with MPI (ems), J&S knock sensor with the gauge, and a 3" mandrel bend exhaust (magna flow muffler and high flow cat) I can post pictures Tuesday after work...if anyone is interested

[SOCAL MSP]

I have the Sleeper kit from MAM... I'm taking offers, it's complete, GT28RS, tubular mani, radiator, slim line fans, FMIC with black powder coated hard pipes. Also comes with MPI (ems), J&S knock sensor with the gauge, and a 3" mandrel bend exhaust (magna flow muffler and high flow cat) I can post pictures Tuesday after work...if anyone is interested

Hell yeah I would love to see that!!! How much we talking hear??????

[JCell]

Is he still doing this upgrade? i know,m old thread, but definitely interested

[twistiert]

yep hes still doing them and I have one and the power is great def. a great upgrade

[yashooa]

I love mine :)
Of course I got the ported manifold and he was porting the S-pipes back then to. He also used to ceramic coat the whole batch of stuff but alas that is no longer an option.
They are suppose to be good up to 24PSI.

[magnumP5]

He did mine back in September so as far as I know he's still going. I only got the Stage 1 so I didn't really notice anything big. Just beware, Nick is hard to get ahold of sometimes but you will get your money's worth.

[SeR_Cyclops]

how much does this upgrade cost? i know there are different stages just wondering tho

[Velocifero]

this has always peaked my interest as well, I wouldn't mind doing just the turbo upgrade. Is there a listing for price or do we just contact and wait it out for Nick?

[magnumP5]

I know what I paid for the Stage 1 but I would count on the Stage 1 being around $500 and the Stage 2 being around $900.

[low_psi]

Your best bet is to call him up to get set prices. Quite a few guys in DFW have done this and I've been impressed with the power his package makes.

[amair001]

anyone know how to get ahold of nick, i just got a manifold, downpipe and turbo from topher and im wanting to have the turbo rebuilt and ported manifold and downpipe

[Bigg Tim]

anyone know how to get ahold of nick, i just got a manifold, downpipe and turbo from topher and im wanting to have the turbo rebuilt and ported manifold and downpipe

mp23cc@aol.com
732-222-3679

[Packerfan]

Just as long as you dont let him install parts on car before you look to make sure he actually ported and polished what he charged you unlike me that piece of shit

[SeR_Cyclops]

wow.... that is crazy he did that. did you contact him and see if he would finish what he was suppose to?

[amair001]

thanks for the contact info

[stdntDrvr]

i got him a lot easier by clicking 'send email to forum member' on his profile...MPNick.

[Packerfan]

He never returned my call granted this was like 3 years ago now and its water under the bridge but yet I am still waiting for Carma to kick in on him, JERK OFF that he is.

[yashooa]

I have had mine now for probably over two years installed on two motors. I have had two of these turbos come to think of it.
Anyway, all my work was done with a high level of skill and it has proven to reliable and powerful. I run over 20PSI daily now.
I have a host of mods, a built motor, a J&S Safeguard and an MPI tuner with the extra injectors.
I know three others with the same package and they have all been fine for the 2+ yrs.
In short, for us, Nick has been a great resource.

[stdntDrvr]

how much boost out of one of his turbos would recommend on a stock motor? i have a few mods...intake, fmic, cs downpipe, catless midpipe.

[yashooa]

Man that is a dangerous question. I installed a HUGE front mount, a J&S, GHL turbo back, and the MPI when I installed the turbo 2 years ago and for me it was fine up to around 15PSI.
I ran up to 20PSI and that finally after 121,000 miles broke a piston ring.
I had the J&S set to sensitive and added a bunch of fuel with the MPI.
Stock I would keep it low and get a J&S if you can.
You really need a good IC to and a better mid pipe j pipe.

[stdntDrvr]

i was planning on staying around 5-7psi...i have a hiboost fmic and sls j/mid-pipe...i figured that would be a safe range. i am considering the SS AFC down the road...where can i find a j&s?

[SeR_Cyclops]

this is kinda thread jack so sorry, how hard are the J&S to hook up? please send me a PM if you know so we wont clutter the thread with junk, thanks!

[amair001]

how long ago was this?

[stdntDrvr]

how long ago was this?

was what?

[amair001]

my bad, posted from my phone. guess it didnt show up for awhile

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