About the FS-ZE engine and tranny [Archive]

U-Turn

10-11-2005, 10:18 AM

kasmankk

10-11-2005, 10:35 AM

all FS motor tranny can fit. but no gurantte on the driveshaft.
but protege 2.0L ES,MP3.MPS,P5 can fit, as well as the driveshaft.

if the motor come with tranny. just use it.

Hi, I'm switching to a FS-ZE engine soon and I find one, but I can't find a tranny, no shop I know has one in stock. But I was wondering what sort of tranny would fit, would any tranny from a 2.0L engine would works or should I stay with the FS-ZE tranny. Thx for answers...

xelderx

10-11-2005, 10:51 AM

Hi, I'm switching to a FS-ZE engine soon and I find one, but I can't find a tranny, no shop I know has one in stock. But I was wondering what sort of tranny would fit, would any tranny from a 2.0L engine would works or should I stay with the FS-ZE tranny. Thx for answers...

The FS-ZE is a waste of time and money. You'll need the JDM ECU to make it work correctly and I still don't think anyone ever got it to run exactly right. Of the 3-4 people who have tried it, none of them were happy with the motor. PM Linuxracer for more info.

U-Turn

10-11-2005, 12:31 PM

Ok, thx for everything.

U-Turn

10-11-2005, 12:34 PM

Linuxracer not found...

RyanJayG

10-11-2005, 12:40 PM

Linuxracr

U-Turn

10-11-2005, 12:45 PM

Linuxracr

thx!

Dimitrios

10-11-2005, 01:38 PM

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1419

Good luck...contact the good folks at Corskport if you want to chew the fat about the swap.

U-Turn

10-11-2005, 11:51 PM

Hmm, thank you I need to know more about, linuxracr, I need to know more about why you think it doesn't worth it.

(confused) Thx by the way for the link. :)

U-Turn

10-11-2005, 11:55 PM

BTW, what do you think about the tranny from that msp?

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123270&page=7&pp=15

Dimitrios

10-12-2005, 12:03 AM

Go for it if you want (shipping from FL though)....just getting it with the LSD already in place is nice. Sounds likes a good deal..

xelderx

10-12-2005, 06:22 AM

I just re-read some stuff and the reason it doesn't work well is because the American ECU doesn't work well with it and the J-spec ECU doesn't wire up to our harness so unless you get some sort of engine management you won't be getting much more out of the FS-ZE than you would out of a properly tuned FS-DE.

U-Turn

10-12-2005, 11:41 AM

So no chip or anything known to solve this problem... Does anyone know a company that would be able to do something for that? What Corksport knows about that? And I heard it would'nt be possible to turbo it, is that true and why?

I have so many questions, thx for answering me :)

U-Turn

10-12-2005, 11:49 AM

Ive asked Corksport and they said they are selling a J-Spec ECU and wiring loom.

ChopstickHero

10-12-2005, 11:54 AM

so you're going to swap out a FSDE for a FSZE to get what... 30 more hp (if that)? for the money spent, a quality turbo kit has a better dollar per hp ratio.

xelderx

10-12-2005, 11:55 AM

If they are selling the wire loom than it might be a different story, but thats a lot of work when you could spend the same money in a mild turbo setup for the FS-DE and make more poweror just get high compression pistons and custom cams for the motor you already have and make just as much power as the FS-ZE. You can turbo the ZE, but it's not a good idea since it's a higher compression than the DE.

U-Turn

10-12-2005, 12:04 PM

I have a protege 1.6L, that's why I'm looking to do a swap and Corksport has suggest me to buy the FS-ZE because I don't have many choice for an engine that bolt in my car. But that's about it, now that ECU problem is resolves, I want to know about the turbo problem. :P

xelderx

10-12-2005, 12:12 PM

Now it's getting complicated...I should have seen that you have the 1.6L by your info, but I missed it. If you are planning on going turbo then the ZE is a waste of time. You won't be able to boost as much with the slightly higher compression of the ZE. If you are serious about turbo than I would find a regular FS-DE and start with that. The lower compression makes it much easier to tune under boost. Remember that the FS-ZE is not 170HP, it is 170PS. I don't know the exact equation, but that only equals out to about 150-155HP if I remember correctly. Why pay so much more money for 15 extra HP over the American motors when you can gain that and more with the money you'll end up spending on the swap?

tunersteve

10-12-2005, 12:46 PM

Couldn't you just buy a built block and a mild turbo and come out with more HP than the FS-ZE?

chris

10-12-2005, 01:07 PM

so let me get this strait.... you have a 1.6l protege and want to go with a 2.0 setup? If not then excuse me because i am not living off much sleep, but if that is what you are tryin to do then go to your local junkyard,grab a fsde outta a newer protege that got in a reck ,along with the wire harness,ecu,mounts,shafts and tranny and it should bolt right in and then you will have a stock 2.0 protege and will have the option for more performance???

U-Turn

10-12-2005, 02:28 PM

Yeah well after all those comments I think I'll look for an FS-DE. Thanks... :)

solid_snake

10-12-2005, 03:36 PM

if you are planning on installing a turbo, the 1.6L is the most boost friendly:)

tunersteve

10-12-2005, 04:14 PM

MAM built block is 3000, Stripper kit is 2500. That right there would be an excellent start for someone if they have the time to put it in. From what I've seen FS-ZEs from what I've seen are about 4000 to get.

Dimitrios

10-12-2005, 04:22 PM

1.6L are BPs, not FSs, right?....if so, then solid snakes comment about the boost happiness of the 1.6 is good times....boost the 1.6 (yes) (assuming it's in good enough shape to do so).

solid_snake

10-12-2005, 04:28 PM

i think 1.6L are ZM
as the 1.6 has a shorter stroke than the 2.0L and it also has stronger internals, making it more boost friendly with stock internals

Shane5425

10-12-2005, 04:29 PM

do u currently have an auto or a 5speed, if you have a 5 speed go talk to hiboost , the 1.6l can take 12 psi max on stock compression, about 230whp if i recall correctly.. lower the compression on the engine u can take it to 18-20 psi makin 300whp.. the Hiboost kit is 4000 dollars, to do that swap u are talk about the same amount, go talk to negatize too, he did the fs-de swap cause he had the auto with his 1.6l.

solid_snake

10-12-2005, 04:34 PM

http://www.hiboost.com/kit16.html

tunersteve

10-12-2005, 06:22 PM

If you plan on doing a swap to a 2.0, I believe Negatize did one in his. He might be able to shed some light on the subject. If you plan on keeping the 1.6, like said, the HiBoost is a good choice.

anarchistchiken

10-12-2005, 06:25 PM

Even beyond a turbo, it would probably be a lot more cost effective to get high compression pistons and forged rods and a decent ECU.

TampaSport20

10-12-2005, 06:28 PM

If you are serious about turbo than I would find a regular FS-DE and start with that.

What? (boom07)

Screw that....boost the 1.6L

WAY stronger internals, and makes PLENTY of power under boost !!

You realize a 1.6 stock only dyno's about 10hp less then a 2.0L ?

The only reason they are SO much faster stock for stock is gearing

xelderx

10-12-2005, 06:33 PM

What? (boom07)

Screw that....boost the 1.6L

WAY stronger internals, and makes PLENTY of power under boost !!

You realize a 1.6 stock only dyno's about 10hp less then a 2.0L ?

The only reason they are SO much faster stock for stock is gearing

That didn't even cross my mind until you guys mentioned it. I had forgot all about the 1.6T's rolling around. Duh....

TampaSport20

10-12-2005, 06:48 PM

That didn't even cross my mind until you guys mentioned it. I had forgot all about the 1.6T's rolling around. Duh....

Yeah, I can't wait to join that club (cheers) ....My car's paid off in Feb

Shane5425

10-12-2005, 06:50 PM

mine not paid off till end of 2006 :(

MIA protege

10-12-2005, 08:03 PM

mine is paid for .....

o yea, boost the 1.6L , ESPECIALLY if u have manual tranny

TampaSport20

10-12-2005, 08:11 PM

mine is paid for .....

o yea, boost the 1.6L , ESPECIALLY if u have manual tranny

You get that tranny done yet ??

MIA protege

10-12-2005, 08:13 PM

You get that tranny done yet ??

been done ... rated at 350whp ... we will see, maybe one day (poke)

TampaSport20

10-12-2005, 08:15 PM

been done ... rated at 350whp ... we will see, maybe one day (poke)

I'm sure just having it hold right now around 200 is still pretty fun

MIA protege

10-12-2005, 08:21 PM

I'm sure just having it hold right now around 200 is still pretty fun

yea ... but im hardheaded and like witchdoktor's sig says ... this boost shit is more addicting than crack ... been through 2 motors and a tranny already ... so right now im just chillin till i can get the internals done

TampaSport20

10-12-2005, 08:29 PM

Yeah..I can't wait to get my MX-6 back up and running....doesnt come close to the Protege in handling, but it's a torque monster...sometimes the revving ricers just piss me off

U-Turn

10-13-2005, 01:18 AM

Hmmm, maybe the Hi-boost turbo now. :P I'll have to think about that. I have a manual tranny, but my engine has 115 000 km, around 65k miles. Maybe I could do some work on the engine to give him a better shape. I tough the 2.0L because of the size of the cylinders would be better for a turbo.

But now I'm thinking more of a turbo because everyone is thinking it would be the best. :)

MIA protege

10-13-2005, 01:22 AM

boost the shit out of it ... 60k+ miles isint a lot

igdrasil

10-13-2005, 01:42 AM

turbo is the cheapest way to go. You can boost an FSDE with just a set of forged rods and engine management and have a 12sec car for daily use.

The 1.8L is even better....but the 1.6, well, you will need more boost but it will hold fine 300whp because its short stroked 1.8, less stress on the rods.

TampaSport20

10-13-2005, 09:59 AM

The 1.8L is even better....but the 1.6, well, you will need more boost but it will hold fine 300whp because its short stroked 1.8, less stress on the rods.

(boom07)

Hardly...different engine family completely

a 1.8L is a destroked 2.0L

a 1.6L is NOT a destroked 1.8L

and you HARDLY need any more boost than a 2.)L to achive the same power levels

igdrasil

10-13-2005, 10:27 AM

(boom07)

Hardly...different engine family completely

a 1.8L is a destroked 2.0L

a 1.6L is NOT a destroked 1.8L

and you HARDLY need any more boost than a 2.)L to achive the same power levels

Ok, let me put this a bit more clear....Im not saying they share the same block or anything like that. Only engine physics.

1.8L is a destroked 2.0L, both have same bore

1.6L is basically a smaller bore of the 1.8L but is also has a shorter stroke, any mm counts, specially for the stress that the rod receives.

1.8L and 2.0L can interchange pistons. But this is irrelevant for this discussion.

You are right about the boost thing... the 1.6L is more efficient engine than the 2.0L FSDE

Dimitrios

10-13-2005, 12:33 PM

Engine details for reference:

http://web2.airmail.net/theman/protegefaq/engine.html

U-Turn

10-13-2005, 01:43 PM

What about if I take a 1.6L engine and make the cylinders bigger and the pistons bigger? I'm saying that because, I saw someone doing it and I tough it could be a good idea if it doesn't involves too many things to do. It looked long, but easy to do.

Dimitrios

10-13-2005, 02:07 PM

So you want to bore your block for large slugs? You can definitely do that, though not sure what the end displacement or compression ratio would be (depends what you select and shoot for). As far as it "not involving too many things" (whatever that means), you'll be looking at a complete engine removal, teardown, machining, reassembly (with new components as necessary), reassembly, and reinstall. A bit more than a Saturday afternoon....

U-Turn

10-13-2005, 02:29 PM

Yeah, well, when I mean if it's not involving too many things, I mean to many piece and things to change. Cause if I make em bigger, I will need to adjust the pistons, but will I have to change the fuel injectors and reprogram the ECU for air/fuel ratio? Because "complete engine removal, teardown, machining, reassembly (with new components as necessary), reassembly, and reinstall. A bit more than a Saturday afternoon...." is not really a problem. I want to know exactly what I would have to play with. So if someone can help me, plz explain me everything I have'nt made my choice yet. :P

TampaSport20

10-13-2005, 02:52 PM

Shane5425

10-13-2005, 02:53 PM

bikman did it , his is now a zm-de 1.8l...

his is also a full all out guted race car.

TampaSport20

10-13-2005, 03:27 PM

bikman did it , his is now a zm-de 1.8l...

his is also a full all out guted race car.

he also has plenty of money to buy a NEW BLOCK. (thumb)

Shane5425

10-13-2005, 03:53 PM

he also has plenty of money to buy a NEW BLOCK. (thumb)

and fully built head with titanium everything, massive turbo and intercooler.. (thumb)

igdrasil

10-13-2005, 03:55 PM

for heavy street use and high boost, an overbored 1.6 to 1.8 will not be reliable, it will have problems with overheating.

TampaSport20

10-13-2005, 04:20 PM

for heavy street use and high boost, an overbored 1.6 to 1.8 will not be reliable, it will have problems with overheating.

I doubt biknmans will...he also has a 4 row fluidyne aluminum radiator with his system

igdrasil

10-13-2005, 05:37 PM

I doubt biknmans will...he also has a 4 row fluidyne aluminum radiator with his system

we should ask him hows the car doing, and if its used daily.

TampaSport20

10-13-2005, 06:35 PM

we should ask him hows the car doing, and if its used daily.

you haven't seen his car ??? it's a full out, trailer'd race car...it gets beat to hell....

MIA protege

10-13-2005, 09:52 PM

you haven't seen his car ??? it's a full out, trailer'd race car...it gets beat to hell....

meaning its not a daily driver ...

U-Turn

10-14-2005, 12:03 AM

Yeah, well, I have another dream car, so I think I'll just boost this one and keep my money for another car after that. :)

noclue119

10-14-2005, 12:25 AM

Hey U-Turn no to discourge u or what not, but I have the Mazdaspeed. In cause you don't know yet, Its the turbo 2.0 FS-DE engine from Mazda.
Let me start off by tell you, having a turbo car is a pain in the ass.

First of all, you need to cool ur car down after driving it. Even with a turbo timer its a pain in the ass.
Second my car drinks coolant like there is no tomorrow. Lets just leave it at that.
Third you eye better stay on the dip stick like white on rice because the moment you slip up, that oil is going to get low.
Fourth and the worth thing about a turbo is that ur engine get so fucking hot that every time i work on something i always get burned.

This is my first and last Turbo charged car

Oh ya, If you think u are going to slap a turbo on it and keep driving it just hard, u might want to rethink it.

My honest suggession for you is to save you $4k and find ur self a miata for 4k-5k.

igdrasil

10-14-2005, 03:04 AM

Hey U-Turn no to discourge u or what not, but I have the Mazdaspeed. In cause you don't know yet, Its the turbo 2.0 FS-DE engine from Mazda.
Let me start off by tell you, having a turbo car is a pain in the ass.

The Mazdaspeed Protege was a little mistake from Mazda, its a nice car with a rushed turbo kit and a rushed tunning. There are all the issues.

noclue119

10-14-2005, 07:55 AM

The Mazdaspeed Protege was a little mistake from Mazda, its a nice car with a rushed turbo kit and a rushed tunning. There are all the issues.

Ya but the problems i've descibled are problems with all turbo cars not just the mazdaspeed.

chris

10-17-2005, 09:58 PM

ok, I know that most of use has seen twilights et's. so if you just did what he did and then got some higher comp street rods and pistons,and mill your head to raise compression,then i am sure that will be all the reliable power you need without the problems from turbos. mabey break 13's? who knows

U-Turn

10-17-2005, 11:22 PM

Well, what biksman told me and that's what I tough, well if I would do a 1.8L with my current engine, I would have to buy almost all the parts of a FS-DE like a new intake manifold etc.... etc... So it's possible, but I don't want to spend too much on my current car. He also told me he is reaching 27psi with his car. (eekfu) :D