question about the stock air box.

[Blaznmsp]

i was just wonderin how some people were able to replace their stock air box with an aftermarket cone filter while keeping the stock pipes on. i have seen pics but still dont completely understand. where did they place the wire that goes into the air box.

[Velocifero]

i was just wonderin how some people were able to replace their stock air box with an aftermarket cone filter while keeping the stock pipes on. i have seen pics but still dont completely understand. where did they place the wire that goes into the air box.
I am not one of those people that have done this, but I could imagine you could tuvk the air temp sensor into the cone under the coupling like my current set up because I took my cold air and temperarily converted it to a short ram, or I have a friend that drilled a hole into his cold air behind the mass air sensor and inserted it with the grommet there when he permanently converted his cold air into a short ram, and I know another guy that just has the sensor dangling down but I dont recommend that one, I mean it is there for a reason, it shouldnt be too hard to just drill into the stock plastic behind the Mass Air Sensor, use the grommet from the stock air box, thats what I recommend.

[Blaznmsp]

I am not one of those people that have done this, but I could imagine you could tuvk the air temp sensor into the cone under the coupling like my current set up because I took my cold air and temperarily converted it to a short ram, or I have a friend that drilled a hole into his cold air behind the mass air sensor and inserted it with the grommet there when he permanently converted his cold air into a short ram, and I know another guy that just has the sensor dangling down but I dont recommend that one, I mean it is there for a reason, it shouldnt be too hard to just drill into the stock plastic behind the Mass Air Sensor, use the grommet from the stock air box, thats what I recommend.


COOL AND THANKS

[Psyklops]

I built a custom short ram air intake using an aluminium exhaust pipe with a 45 degree bend in it and an aftermarket cone filter. All you have to do is cut the pipe to the right length so it lines up from the MAF to the hole just above your diverside wheelwell. You then drill a hole in the pipe (around about the middle) and use the rubber gromet from your stock air box. Insert the gromet in the hole you drilled and then stick the air meter in the gromet. You could also do this a little more "ghetto" style with some pvc tubing from Home Depot. Get some silicone adapters (don't know whatelse to call them) and clamp it all together. You'll also have to move your radiator overflow tank, but it's easy (the tank covers the hole in the wheelwell).

One word of warning, you'd better like the "turkey" sound because this will make it a whole lot louder, however throttle response will increase. I hate the turkey, so I removed my custom job and put the stock box back on. Once I get a bvp/bov setup (kills turkey) I'll put the custom job back in place.

For all the effort, you'd probably be better off just putting a new high-flow panel filter in the stock box - there are many discussions on the board about whether or not a cai or sai are worth it on a turbo car (and I'm not going to get into now) because the air heats up in the turbo and the turbo will always suck enough air in to feed itself (of couse you do want to free up the source as much as possible)

You know, I never understood why they call it "turkey" because it sounds more like a bottle cap in a garberator to me.

[Velocifero]

I built a custom short ram air intake using an aluminium exhaust pipe with a 45 degree bend in it and an aftermarket cone filter. All you have to do is cut the pipe to the right length so it lines up from the MAF to the hole just above your diverside wheelwell. You then drill a hole in the pipe (around about the middle) and use the rubber gromet from your stock air box. Insert the gromet in the hole you drilled and then stick the air meter in the gromet. You could also do this a little more "ghetto" style with some pvc tubing from Home Depot. Get some silicone adapters (don't know whatelse to call them) and clamp it all together. You'll also have to move your radiator overflow tank, but it's easy (the tank covers the hole in the wheelwell).

One word of warning, you'd better like the "turkey" sound because this will make it a whole lot louder, however throttle response will increase. I hate the turkey, so I removed my custom job and put the stock box back on. Once I get a bvp/bov setup (kills turkey) I'll put the custom job back in place.

For all the effort, you'd probably be better off just putting a new high-flow panel filter in the stock box - there are many discussions on the board about whether or not a cai or sai are worth it on a turbo car (and I'm not going to get into now) because the air heats up in the turbo and the turbo will always suck enough air in to feed itself (of couse you do want to free up the source as much as possible)

You know, I never understood why they call it "turkey" because it sounds more like a bottle cap in a garberator to me.
the dual set-up wont automatically rid you off the turkey sound, you will have to sit with it a bit and tune the bov to the right tension to eliminate it, and it depensds on wgat bov you are going with and what your boost is at, and even with the dual set-up you will still have a turkey like sound emitted from time to time depending on how you drive, I dont know about the bottle cap in a garberator, mine sounds like a turkey

[Psyklops]

Really, it actually sounds like "gobble, gobble" to you? Mine is more like "grrrrrbapbapbap!". Maybe there is something wrong with my car.

[Velocifero]

Really, it actually sounds like "gobble, gobble" to you? Mine is more like "grrrrrbapbapbap!". Maybe there is something wrong with my car.
Here's a clip of the turkey: TURKEY! (http://www.msprotege.com/members/Velocifero/np%20101305%20017.avi) It doesnt bother me, more personality than all the other boosted cars around here.


Sorry to thread jack

[Psyklops]

Mine does NOT sound like that at all!! Jez, I think my bpv must be pooched. Mine definately makes a grrrrrbapbapbap sound right where the turkey is supposed to be - it's got to be the valve.

[Smork]

Mine does NOT sound like that at all!! Jez, I think my bpv must be pooched. Mine definately makes a grrrrrbapbapbap sound right where the turkey is supposed to be - it's got to be the valve.

Mine sounds like a horse or something, or a really deep turkey. I never have that full turkey sound. I dunno what it is either. I just have Injen Intake.

[Psyklops]

What mods do you have on your car, Velocifero?

[Psyklops]

Smork, you ever hang around with Smindy? ;) j/k.

Like a horse, eh? Velocifero must have some mods on his car. His almost sounds like a bov to me.

[Smork]

well, a few people here have like dp, intake, and have that turkey. I've not been able to figure what the difference is between our BPVs and the noise the make.

and yes, smindy is a *(#*$@# though :P jk

[Psyklops]

But you have the intake? Weird. I'm thinking about the Forge bpv replacement - I was thinking about a dual bpv/bov because I thought the shit sound my car makes was the so called "turkey". But if my car sounded like Velocifero's I'd be pretty happy with the turkey.

[Smork]

Same here. On mine, it kind of sounds the same, but a really deep noise. and kinda harsh. :\

[FlyinMSP]

That's how I did mine

[Velocifero]

That's how I did mine
thats interesting, whered you pick that up, i have never seen that filter?

What mods do you have on your car, Velocifero?
as far as the airways are concerned I have the Injen CAI, stock BPV and s-pipe back exhaust (Vibrant Performance, which I highly recommend). Even when I get to hard pipes I am gonna stick with the bpv just do be different and the turkey doesnt bother me, its funny how you have to keep something stock to be different. I have a s-pipe on the way and my spool time is already superfast and is supposed to get faster once I put the s-pipe on. If I am driving hard ans shifting fast I don't even get a turkey sound then it just sounds like a bov but not whistley

[Psyklops]

Yeah, FlyinMSP, where did you get that filter? I've never seen one like it.

[FlyinMSP]

That's a DIA, Dynamic Air intake from BMC, a company from Italy that makes the filters for Ferrari Formula 1 and other teams! It's very reasonably priced as well!

http://www.bmcairfilters.com/

http://www.bmcairfilter.com/

Once I find a 45 degree coupler, I will be able to use the flexible hose that comes with the kit and feed cold air from the hole in the wheel well (the one that all CAI use)

Works very well and the sound is awsome (sounds like a 6 cyl.!)

[Psyklops]

Whoa, $138.76 USD! Looks cool, but is it worth it? Do you notice any gains from the stock box? I guess you didn't try just a hi-flow panel filter in the stock box before purchasing your BMC, FlyinMSP?

Update: According to their site, "The DIA is recommended for engines having a displacement up to 1.6000 cc."

[Fede_italiano]

That's how I did mine
I am surprise that you used BMC.
Firts time i saw one in the States.

What model do you use?

Thanks

[FlyinMSP]

Whoa, $138.76 USD! Looks cool, but is it worth it? Do you notice any gains from the stock box? I guess you didn't try just a hi-flow panel filter in the stock box before purchasing your BMC, FlyinMSP?

Update: According to their site, "The DIA is recommended for engines having a displacement up to 1.6000 cc."

I've tried all sorts of things!! I have a Green panel filter, I've drilled the stock box but that was not good, I also tried a cone intake with heat shield, not bad but... The best b/f the BMC filter was the stock airbox (+Green and + the holes patched up LOL) and a flexible hose to draw in cold air from the hole in the wheel well. When I put the BMC filter it seemed to pull better but no day/night diff. though except for the sound...

The BMC is simple and very sturdy (I realized that when I drille the hole for the IAT, that plastic is STRONG!), the filter itself (inside) is TOP quality. I'm curious to see the results when I'll set up the cold air feed (I want to do it ram-style). The good thing about this set-up is that it takes like 30 sec. to remove it and put back in the stock airbox (if needed to go to Mazda)

I'm very happy with is, especially considering the price!

[FlyinMSP]

I am surprise that you used BMC.
Firts time i saw one in the States.

What model do you use?

Thanks

There is only one model (the DIA that is) It's for engine "up to 1600cc", but with a turbo who cares! I think this matter more to an N/A engine than a turbo (that pull in the air anyways) The diameter of the end that goes to the MAF is EXCACTY the same as the MAF (no restriction there), which is 70mm. It's a perfect fit

PS: another option would be the Carbon Dynamic Airbox (made with carbon fiber), more expensive (still reasonable) but comes in different sizes...

[Psyklops]

Good reply, FlyinMSP! What about the good ol' turkey, how does that sound with your setup? Got a sound clip?

[FlyinMSP]

Unfortunatly I'm not really equipped for sound clips but she's quite loud! :D

PS: I've added some pics in my last post (above)

[Psyklops]

But what about the turkey? Is it loud like an intake on a naturally aspirated car (something like "bwwaaaaa" at WOT) or is it loud as in loud turkey? See earlier in the post for a clip of the turkey.

[Fede_italiano]

But what about the turkey? Is it loud like an intake on a naturally aspirated car (something like "bwwaaaaa" at WOT) or is it loud as in loud turkey? See earlier in the post for a clip of the turkey.
it should be as loud because the air doesn't resonate as well in plastic.
It is probably a mild turkey with some pssss... (deadhorse

[Psyklops]

Gee, thanks for answering a question that wasn't intended for you Fede. (butt)

And it "should be as loud" as what? You need to compare it to something...

[Fede_italiano]

Gee, thanks for answering a question that wasn't intended for you Fede. (butt)

And it "should be as loud" as what? You need to compare it to something...
open your window and go into boost and you will ear a slight sound from the turbo spinning and then a quiet turkey.
with that box you will get the same but probably a bit lauder.
with the injen the turkey will be very loud. just like the video.

it is a good alternative and I have the money and I do not have to change my rims I might buy it too so that I can swapped before I bring it in for service.

see you

[Notorious_V.I.C]

Sorry for the thread jack.........
Question, i was putting the stock air box back on and one of the groumets would not fit there are 2 groumets, were do each of them go????

[FlyinMSP]

Gee, thanks for answering a question that wasn't intended for you Fede. (butt)

And it "should be as loud" as what? You need to compare it to something...

A while ago I tested another Speed that had the Injen and, although that was few months ago, I dont remember the turkey being that much louder than my current setup. Maybe I'm wrong