Top speed

[<paulmp3222>]

I just was wondering what the fastest anyone has had there mp3 up to. I got mine up to 123mph it seemed to hover at 117 then it starting accelerating again. it seemed like it still wanted to go faster but i was running out of room so i had to let off. At 120 this car still handles like a champ!!!
Paul
Philly,Pa
#222 (i lost my password)

[NC_MP3]

120 here. I was not impressed with the top end of my MP3. It takes way too long to get to 120 hehe. My Eclipse V6 got up to 145 very quick, oh well hehe.

[APEXistud]

Damn you guys have some brass ones. I'm still too affraid to get on mine. I just hit 13oo miles on my MP3. I should probably start testing the limits. Does anyone know for sure if we have a top speed governer?

[Nathen]

hi guys,
I got to at least 120 on my MP3. You are paulmp3222, it does handle pretty well. The car seems like it could handle more, almost as if it has a hunger for more. Talk to you guys later.

:eek:

[PaulMP3]

i just got a drop in k&n filter and i have the homade cai from the protege tech web site i just raced a crx si yesterday i hit 124!! getting better! there is to much traffic round here cars are always getting in my way!!!! :mad:

[Section 8]

Our MP3s do not have a speed governer but it is very drag limited. Average top speed is going to be about 120 as everybody is reporting, I can also only get up to about 120 or so....but, if I draft up behind another car I can get my MP3 up to a bit over 135...

Shawn

[LinuxRacr]

:D On Sunday morning comming home from Dallas, I hit about 128MPH. It was pretty clear on I-30, but I could not go any faster, cause traffic came up fast!! I felt this little funny feeling in my stomach. The car was smooth all the way up. The suspention and the downforce created by the spoiler are great!

[freekwonder]

I GOT TO 120 - 125 the car felt great at those speeds alot better than my old zx2. i could have gotten a little higher buy my exit was coming up

[mp301guy]

yea i got up to between 120-125 the other night on I 35. I flew by an cop and got pulled over. I was like shit. the thing is he didnt have his radar on to clock me but he knew how fast i was going. Scarry shit. :o

[subywan-kenobi]

Originally posted by Section 8:
<STRONG>Our MP3s do not have a speed governer but it is very drag limited. Average top speed is going to be about 120 as everybody is reporting, I can also only get up to about 120 or so....but, if I draft up behind another car I can get my MP3 up to a bit over 135...

Shawn</STRONG>
I got news for ya, a draft does not give you an added 15+ mph at freeway speeds. F1 cars don't even get that kind of a draft, but nice story anyway!!

[tritonheat1]

FYI: if you draft up behind another car your car will go faster cause the car in front of u is getting the wind velocity and wind friction. Suposely u hit 120mph and the car feels like it doesn't have enough power to go faster maybe the car hasn't established that speed so many times. For instance my 1994 Protege Lx stock i hit 125mph pretty quick but that's as far as i took it up to some times, but then one day i finally wanted to see if it could go faster than 125mph it wouldn't untill i did 125mph like 15 times then the next few days i went out to the country i barried the gas pedal and hit 131mph the first time and 135mph the 2ndtime. But i hit 131mph,135mph with my mods. being draft behind another car will help you on top end.

[enry]

Like subywan said though I doubt it will give you 15mph. That's 25kph! If I remember my phyics (correct me if I'm wrong) you not noly have to worry about resistance in front of you but behind you as well, so riding someone's ass at 120mph on the freeway is not only COMPLETELY INSANE, it is also a not really effective way of increasing top speed.

[big_ben]

I'm not trying to bust on anyone talking all this draft crap, but I don't think any of you have been through two college physics classes like myself. Just because you are drafting behind someone else (in the MP3) you will not get any more speed. Unless the car in front of you has the horsepower and aerodynamics to go faster. No matter how much you draft, as soon as you come from behind the other car and the wind hits you, you will get knocked back to about 120mph. ths car does'nt have enough HP to overcome 120 to 125. End of story. I'm not trying to piss anyone off but I'm sure I have. Just because someone has watched Days of Thunder a few times does'nt mean they know about drafting. Those cars have about 700Hp and move at about 200mph. Think about it. I'm sure I'll get a lot of flak over this one, ....so let it begin. :rolleyes:

[enry]

Maybe it's just me, but 200KPH (120MPH) is more than enough. Plus the only way I could ever go 200KPH (off of a drag strip) is if I paved a road in a straight line from here to where I work. I estimate I could then get there in under 5 minutes at full throttle. Come to think of it that's not a bad idea.

[subywan-kenobi]

No flak at all Ben, you are right on the money!! There is nothing wrong with setting the record straight when it is done in an educational way. Otherwise, myths keep getting disseminated across the internet every day long. I have seen it across too many message boards in the past.

That's one of the things I like about this board, its fresh and new, so with good moderation, it can be kept a good source for accurate information for all car enthusiasts.

[00BlackCelicaGTS]

top speed eh?

the sig says it all ;)

[MP3-Owner]

Hey was your celica in 5th gear at that point? If so than I guess that the 160mhp speedo is kinda usless eh? Seeing as how you tach is almost redlined. But 140mph is pretty impressive. :p

My MP3 has been up 125mph. I was happy to find no governer to hold it back.With the right mods I'm sure the MP3 will hit the speedo limit at 140mph.

That is way better than my old 93 honda accord, it had a governer at 115mph :( I was not impressed. Damn governers.

[APEXistud]

Just a few numbers I wanted to run by you. Based off of top speed testing that Sport Compact Car did with a Superchargered Civic SI hatch. According the SCC, it took 153 whp to get the hatch to 131mph. These speeds were measured with real testing equipment and not the factory speedometer which is know to be 5-8 mph at high speeds.

Being that MP3Ben has supplied us with some Dyno Results (http://www.protegemp3.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=3&t=000221) we have a good idea of how much horsepower our cars put down to the wheels. If we can figure out a formula that can calculate whp to mph. We can figure out what the average top speed our MP3's are excepted to have. I would try to but, I'm horrible with math :(

[ 11-11-2001: Message edited by: APEXistud ]

[Section 8]

Just to set the record straight, I was not exaggerating or lying when I said I had my car up to about 135, all I know is that the one time I hit that I was following very closley behind my friend in his 300zx. Maybe the spedo is very innacurate at high speeds, maybe I was moving downhill, I'm really not sure, all I know is that I did hit 135.

Apexi: wheel horsepower and miles per hour should have nothing to do with each other, maybe if you figured in the weight of the car you might be able to figure out some relationship but I really doubt it. I'm sure it would take a lot less horsepower to accelerate a civic to 100mph than it would take to move a heavier car like a RX-7.

Shawn

[big_ben]

I'm perfectly happy with the 120 to upper 120's(with no headwind), that the MP3 will do. I like 2nd and 3rd gear speed more. there is more of an accelleration there. Second gear in this car feels great! With a few mods,(I'm not about to turbo this car), just a little bit cheaper stuff, and I'll be done. But, to each his own. Just my preferance. If anyone here wants to do 140 to 145 in this car,...good luck and be careful.

[APEXistud]

Originally posted by Section 8:
<STRONG>Apexi: wheel horsepower and miles per hour should have nothing to do with each other, maybe if you figured in the weight of the car you might be able to figure out some relationship but I really doubt it. I'm sure it would take a lot less horsepower to accelerate a civic to 100mph than it would take to move a heavier car like a RX-7.

Shawn</STRONG>

Don't know where you're getting your information from, but whp has everything to do with mph/topspeed. Without horsepower and torque a car won't be able to overcome the aerodynamic wall/resistance it will begin to encounter once it gets closer to it's terminal velocity. Sure the weight of the car has a lot to do with top speed as well, but so do the width of the wheels you are using (wider tires mean more drag), a long with a pretty long list of other things: eg spoilers, front lip, under tray of a car

And of all the heavier cars you could have chosen from to mention, an RX-7 is definately the wrong car since it is one of lighter high horsepowered cars. And getting a car to 100 isn't the issue here, we're talking about TOPSPEED. The amount of horsepower needed to abtain topspeed is the issue. The greater horsepower and torque a car has, the greater the topspeed it can achieve. That is a fact.

[Section 8]

wheel horsepower and miles per hour should have nothing to do with each other

Apex, I'm not getting my info from anywhere, I'm just trying to figure it out in my own head, and that's why I said SHOULD. Maybe I should have made myself more clear, I understand that you need horsepower to pull or push a car up to speed and to overcome parasitic drag, I just don't believe that there could be anyway to draw a mathematical relationship between wheel horsepower and top speed, there are way too many factors such as weight of the car and the areodynamics of a car. what if you had 2 exact same cars, lets say MP3s, both stock, but on one you roll the windows down, now, that one is less areodynamic than the other, that one will not achieve the same speed as the one with the windows rolled up, I know it will only be a minute amount of difference but logically the one with the windows rolled down will travel slower. Same horspower, weight everything...all I'm trying to say is that you cannot draw a relationship between whp and top speed...
correct me if I am wrong please =)

Shawn

[trobbins]

All other things remaining constant(Draq, weight, etc..), more horsepower = higher top speed, and it is a direct relationship. A but in general, HP is what creates top speed. At high top speeds, weight becomes a little factor on top speed. Weight is a factor that burdens acceleration. A good example of this is a motorcycle (Crotch Rocket Style). A light weight motorcycle can accelerate rather quickly, however a motorcycle is basically an areodynamic disaster. So getting a motorcycle to top 200 MPH requires a LOT of HP. Raising the top speed from say 50 to 60 mph may require and additional 10 HP but raising it from 200 to 210 can require 5 to 10 times more horse power due to the unbelieveable effects of wind resistance.

So a long story short, for high top speeds, HP and Drag have the most affect on Top speed. Increasing HP while keeping Resistance constant will raise top speed.

Tim

[tritonheat1]

BS:look at it this way, and don't take it the wrong way guy's (1999-2001) pontiac Grand Am GT that i have will shutdown at 113mph uh lets see 3200lbs but have V-6 175hp 205lbs ram air engine. MP3 140hp everyone has gone over 120mph. (pontiac sunfire GT) 150hp 155lbs top speed 114mph. Chevy Monte Carlo V-6 240hp top speed 121mph. "Gee" 100hp advantage and V-6 engine and can hit only 121mph that's pathetic. To all and everyone who think's horsepower is your answer to=topspeed, (WRONG) that's part of it your horsepower and flbs give's you power to your gears and the powerband kicks in at sae@horsepower. there's nothing wrong with your horsepower being low and doesn't mean you can't have top end. Well there's other preference to like where you have bottom end to get to 0-60 or 0-100mph but don't have top end or where your 0-60mph takes a bit slower and have top end.

[Section 8]

Originally posted by APEXistud:
<STRONG>If we can figure out a formula that can calculate whp to mph. We can figure out what the average top speed our MP3's are excepted to have.</STRONG>

I know that horsepower is relevant when it come to top speed, but my arguement this whole time is in regard to the above quoted statement. It assumes that there is an exact mathematical relationship between top speed and wheel horsepower, which there isn't.

Shawn

[mp3speed]

i hit 125 racing honda delsol.our cars kill em.i bout took out a amish buggy but i went up over a ditch and in the field . lucky me

[APEXistud]

Originally posted by tritonheat1:
<STRONG>BS:look at it this way, and don't take it the wrong way guy's (1999-2001) pontiac Grand Am GT that i have will shutdown at 113mph uh lets see 3200lbs but have V-6 175hp 205lbs ram air engine. MP3 140hp everyone has gone over 120mph. (pontiac sunfire GT) 150hp 155lbs top speed 114mph. Chevy Monte Carlo V-6 240hp top speed 121mph. "Gee" 100hp advantage and V-6 engine and can hit only 121mph that's pathetic. To all and everyone who think's horsepower is your answer to=topspeed, (WRONG) that's part of it your horsepower and flbs give's you power to your gears and the powerband kicks in at sae@horsepower. there's nothing wrong with your horsepower being low and doesn't mean you can't have top end. Well there's other preference to like where you have bottom end to get to 0-60 or 0-100mph but don't have top end or where your 0-60mph takes a bit slower and have top end.</STRONG>

Dude, what the hell are you talking about. If the top speed is electronically controlled, it doesn't matter how much HP you have, when you hit that top speed the ECU will cut the fuel and your engine won't go any faster. All GM's that I can think of have top speed governers or some sort of RPM activated fuel cut. Sicne the MP3 (at least to my knowledge) has no speed governer, we are limited to the Aerodynamic wall and HP. Think about what you're saying before you post bro, please
:rolleyes:

[APEXistud]

Originally posted by Section 8:
<STRONG>I know that horsepower is relevant when it come to top speed, but my arguement this whole time is in regard to the above quoted statement. It assumes that there is an exact mathematical relationship between top speed and wheel horsepower, which there isn't.

Shawn</STRONG>


OOops, I shouldn't have mentioned having a calculation idea. But what it comes down to is that my idea/theory/hypothesis or whatever you want to call it is correct....... Increasing HP will increase your top speed. That should be a no brainer. MP3_TIM explains it better than I could have.

[jayrcr]

sorry you guys but the car on the bottle wouldnt go past 125 the car went to lean.Off the bottle 120 is tops.then i ran out of road.

[jayrcr]

with more hp you have to acount for adding more fuel.

[initialRES]

The top speed debate.... There is NO SET WAY TO GET TOP SPEED. Some cars do it with high horsepower, others with low drag, it all depends on the car.
There was a test I read about talking about the NSX and the lamborghini countage (how the hell do you spell that?) The NSX lacked about 100 HP on the lamborghini but they both had the exact same top speed because the NSX had less drag.
Then there are instances with cars like the honda insight. It has very little HP but due to the design of that body, it takes half the power to maintain a speed of 60 mph than the civic SI takes.

So Horsepower does mean alot in the top speed deal, but so does drag. And yes I have heard about the really low speed limiters on GM cars. It is kinda sad. My integra can top out higher than monte carlos.

[tritonheat1]

boy, apex before u open your mouth and start talking crap do to the stuff u just replied when i answered your stupid ? , (you said the amount of horsepower needed to abtain topspeed is the issue)'. well i just proved your retarted part of the sentence you replied to section 8 was wrong. damn guys when u gonna learn horsepower has nothing to do with topspeed even though i posted that reply to apex cause what he said. Well horsepower just get's u to how fast you wanna go until u reach that topspeed limiter or governer.

[kep0ne]

if horsepower gets you to your top speed, then it has a direct relation to it (top speed)

[initialRES]

I don't exactly know what you just said triton, but HP does have something to do with top speed. Not all cars have a limiter. The limiter is in the ECU and only certain cars have those.

[APEXistud]

Originally posted by tritonheat1:
<STRONG>boy, apex before u open your mouth and start talking crap do to the stuff u just replied when i answered your stupid ? , (you said the amount of horsepower needed to abtain topspeed is the issue)'. well i just proved your retarted part of the sentence you replied to section 8 was wrong. damn guys when u gonna learn horsepower has nothing to do with topspeed even though i posted that reply to apex cause what he said. Well horsepower just get's u to how fast you wanna go until u reach that topspeed limiter or governer.</STRONG>

Bro, if you really think that you're right. Either you are playing dumb or you really are dumb. What do you drive again? Yes, DRAG and HP both determine your top speed, but mainly HP determines the topspeed more so that Drag on a stock bodied, street driven cars. Yes, the Honda Insight has less Drag, but with less HP it's not really gonna go anywhere.

Triton, do me a favor and pic up the latest issue of SCC (Sport Compact Car) and read the article on the Bonneville SI's. See how they both have the same engine, but one is Supercharged. See how the supercharged one goes faster. Hmmmm, I wonder how it's faster
:rolleyes: Could it be because it has more HP. The end......We're all right triton and you, my friend are wrong......

[bluep5]

To join this fun and exciting debate initialRes is completely correct, unless of course the laws of physics don't apply to certain cars.

Physics 101

A running car will have two major forces acting on them. One is from the torque at the wheels (directly related to HP). The other is the force placed on it from drag.

Let's say Fd is the drag force. and Fw is the force at the wheels (directly related to HP). Laws of physics will state that the forces on the car are in equalibrium.

Fw - Fd = m*a

Where m is the mass and a is the acceleration. When they are equal there is no acceleration. (Fw=Fd)

The drag force is directly related to it's velocity ie Fd=k*v where v is the speed of the car and k is sort of the drag constant (related but not the one that you see in specifications).

*edit* Errr... I was incorrect Fd=k*v^2.

So we have your top speed is = the Force on the wheels divided by the drag coefficient.

And in the end a larger drag coefficient means a slower top speed. Less force at the wheels (HP) means a lower top speed.

*edit* P = F*v or Fw = P/v therefore when Fw = Fd k*v^2 = P/v or P = k*v^3. This is the power required to drive the car with a drag constant of k at a velocity v.

This was covered breifly in Physics 12 but I suppose nobody was listening (I sure wasn't)... It didn't really sink in for me till about 12th year university..

*Edit* oh yeah, one more thing.. In most cars the drag coefficient is very close. In our cars it's speced at about 0.33. I think the jetta is 0.31... The insight is 0.25. So this says for the same HP the insight will go about 30% faster (we had 120, insight would be 156)

Oh well,

BP5

[ 11-30-2001: Message edited by: Blue P5 ]

[ 12-01-2001: Message edited by: Blue P5 ]

[initialRES]

Blue P5, I knew there was some formula but I had no idea what it was. I think I learned more from your post than I did in all of high school hahah
By the way, what did you study in college?

[bluep5]

I studied electrical engineering (it wasn't 12 years it was actualy only 5 but felt like 12).

[kep0ne]

if the drag coefficient is higher is tha tbad? or is it better if its lower

al

[bluep5]

Higher drag is bad (Lower top speed, some affect on acceleration).

[tritonheat1]

honestly i hate arguing with (brainless boneheads) i just posted a article stat about the Celica GT-S where it did 130mph in 5th gear at (7800rpms)G-ratio 0.92 redlined limiter, and 123mph 6th gear at 5850rpms Ratio 0.73. it all depends what the gear ratio is and if the final drive ratio then your car can achieve it's goal. Boy horsepower has nothing to do with Topspeed for the last time since u people have that computerized already in your head. have a nice day :D

[bluep5]

tritonheat1,

Wow, we're brainless boneheads, OK... This is why I never post on these forums.

Anyway, you are right gear ratios are very important in the top speed. I didn't see anyone on the forums disagree with that.

Gear ratios will determine your horse power at a given speed. Have you ever looked at a dyno plot. Take a look the RPMS versus horsepower plot. Notice that for larger RPMS the horsepower increases until it saturates?

Well, for the Celica GT-S that did 130MPH in 5th gear at 7800RPM and only 123MPH gear at 5850RPMS in 6th gear. Well, take a dyno plot of a Celica GT-S and you will see that the HP at 7800RPM is higher than when the engine is running at 5850RPMS.

Anyway, before you start calling people stupid you should try and understand what they are talking about. Anyway, if your so smart then you'll probably be able to understand this article on HP vs. RPM:

HP vs Torque (http://www.mustangsandmore.com/ubb/DanJonesTorqueVsHP.html)

Actually this article is better because it also explains how drag comes into it. It's also a lot less technical... However, this article shows that I was off in my previous equations (now I feel stupid, I should've paid attention in class). Anyway, read it if your interested... *edit* removed some stuff that was irrelevant.

Torque, HP, Speed (http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/Miscellaneous/TorqueHPSpeed.htm)

If you don't read any of the other articles read this one... It seems to be very clear.

Horsepower vs. Torque (http://ubermensch.org/Cars/Technical/hp-tq/#friction)

BP5

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[frady2001]

he7y guys, just a few things. i used to be into hot rod trucks, and for some reason, the heavier the truck was the higher top speed. 0-60 wasnt as good but top speed was higher by about 5-15 mph. also, i couldnt break 120, but it wasnt broke in yet. anyways, my rpms were pretty high, i dont think the car will do much faster, no matter the drag or hp. rpms limit the car, i think another gear would be great, especially on the highway.

[frady2001]

oh yeah forgot, drafting someone WILL give you lots of speed. a budy of mine had a four-wheel drive toyota truck that wouldnt break 80. one night we got some balls and he followed me in my truck . his truck would only do 80 normally, but following me he did about a hundred and ten, however, at 80 his rpms were very low and i had a 79 f-100 so it was a big truck. yes it was very dumb but we were young and dumb. drafting can add lots of speed in some applications, but like i said, our rpms limit our speed

[tritonheat1]

Hey guys i think the topspeed on the Mp3 is only 120-125mph cause when i was on my way home from the bowling alley on the base leaving the gate me and my dad were crusing next to each other with out 2-way nextel cellphones talking i had to do 71-72mph to stay side by side with him and he was only doing 70mph that's probably cause my 17's but anyways i notice behind me a hoodscoop i told my dad on the nextal radio that this mustang was on my a** and i'm gonna take him i dropt 4th did 110mph at 6300rpms hit fifth slowed down to 100mph then he drafted up behind me close went to the next lane i waited till we were side by side then dropt to fourth again and did 115mph at redline hit 5th and his car jumped as my front bumper was by his side front door i glanced in my rear view mirror saw my dad's blue lights on the mustang's a** ass the mustang braked, my dad had to brake i asked him how fast he was going he said 125mph, i told him how did you get to 125mph when me and the mustang were barely at 115mph as i slowed down again to 90mph the mustang wanted to play i said fu** it i went to the right lane let him pass me and told my pap's to take him as they both pass i see a yellow mustang with dual side door air panels on the side at the bottom sticking out. I said no way that that could of been a svt-or roush cause he jumped at 115mph either i thought he had a govener or he fuc** up trying to go to next gear. Anyways i think the Mp3 takes awhile to get to 125mph from 115++++mph.

[BondoBob]

Top speed on a level road...I've maxed out everytime at 117MPH. It seems like the motor would go more (since it isn't redlined at that point). 117 MPH is the same top speed the major car mag tests got with road test equipment). The car is very solid but is pushing the aero pretty hard at that point. Taping up the fogs and grills might get up to 120MPH. There isn't a limiter on the MP3 since the tires are Z rated (which is the big reason the GM models mentioned earlier in this thread are computer restricted to 113MPH (the speed rating of H rated tires).

I could see a few more MPHs with some horsepower mods...probably taking the wing off would help the aero push.

[tritonheat1]

how many miles do you have on your mp3.

[BondoBob]

Originally posted by tritonheat1:
<STRONG>how many miles do you have on your mp3.</STRONG>

Good point! I have not visited the true top end for a while. I now have over 11,000 miles on the engine and might get a bit more out of it.

#36/1500 :cool:

[ 12-27-2001: Message edited by: BondoBob ]

[LinuxRacr]

I have 19,000 Miles on my MP3, and it gets past 117 with now problem. :D

[tritonheat1]

In my opinion the mp3 can do 120-125mph right now as of topspeed i figure if you take off the rear wing spioler, lower the car for more friction, add cai intake and new sparkplugs the mp3 could do easy 130++mph. but to the people that has gone over 125mph you guys probably have more miles and a cai. that helps alot :D

[Coolhand]

:D Just to make things interesting on this string, since it seems to have died, I hit 132 tonight... mind you the last 5 mph came on a downhill, so I was actually doing 127 mph before I gained the last 5mph. :eek: It was freakin' crazy but felt oh so good!!! :cool:

[tritonheat1]

Sorry guys i can't get past 121mph i think i still need to break in more miles. I'm at 6000 or more right now. I think i need to get a injen cai or aem cai or weapon-r or whatever intake will help cause to all of you who have gone over 125+mph you guys have cai intakes. Well first i have to get my 2nd oil change i just broke the 6000 mark. 121mph it is so far maybe at 8000 or more i will hit 125+mph. :D

[SPANKEDBYAGIRL]

I have an AEM CAI and I lowered it with Eibach pro springs. My car does 130 on flat road, not drafting on its own power no problem and I only have about 6000 miles with two oil changes. If you guys can only get to 125, get the intake, it must help alot. Lowering probably helped a little too.

[Cameleon3]

I went 190 km on one of the highways here...was racing against a celica...crazy shit...love this car...

[jimmy baird]

well i hate to say but i might just have everybody beat , maybe . all i did to my car was take off the silencer connected to the air filter box and zoom zoom , iwas on my way. heading back into houston off of i-10 i pulled on to the hov lane going at about120 staying at about 120-124 for about 10 sec its like it jolted again raising to 132 . i let off because there was all the traffic on the right of me and if someone pulled over to the left me and my mp3 were a gonner.all this was done on stock , ok i remember i had one thing i had offrod nos offroad octane booster which increased my octane to like 100-103 octane. but i dont think that would do too much as to make me go 132mph. all the changes ive done is add different rims 5zigen heifields white . i was at the import expo in houston 2001 and won 1St place for my car i am trying to come up with a bad a** design for my car but need one soon any suggestions would be nice good blessings on gettuing to yalls top speed