Bye Bye MSP HELLO 2006 CIVIC!!!...Finally!

[raptur2000]

I finally got out of this car and yall dont know how happy I am. I loved it when I first bought it but I never had xtra money to mod it...then I bought a 2004 R6 (I know that doesnt make too much sense but oh well...bikes give you a better sense of speed that is unmatched to any car.)...but after that I got married and the list goes on. But on the 1 st of this month I went on a "Ride and Drive" for Honda (that's who I work for) and got a chance to push the new 2006 Civic and they are off the hook!!! so that's what Im pushin now. And I would recommend that anyone that loves the MSP...Check out the new Civic SI...bc quote me..."It WILL be the best sport compact for the next few years I promise you!!!" even though yall may think that I am bias cuz I work for Honda but the proof is in the pudding the tC, Eclipse, and Mazda3 ride like a Kia Rio compared to it. And the SRT-4 will be a thing of the past. But check em out for yall self on honda.com

HOLLA!

[MSP #167]

that's great, congrats you just bought the me too car of 2006. I hope you enjoy seeing your car at every stop light.

[CasopoliS]

they will be great until everyone slaps altezzas, cans, and ebay rims on them. Just a bunch more go-karts on the road.

[AceProtege]

the 06' Civic is nice.....

[Titanium]

they will be great until everyone slaps altezzas, cans, and ebay rims on them. Just a bunch more go-karts on the road.

yea you didnt have to worry about doing that cause mazda did it for you....

[MSP #167]

yea you didnt have to worry about doing that cause mazda did it for you....

are you referring to the msp? I hope not.

They don't have altezza's, racing hart rims are def not from ebay, and we don't have an exhaust that sounds like a beehive.

[CasopoliS]

yea you didnt have to worry about doing that cause mazda did it for you....

huh? My car did not come with altezzas, came with tasteful rims, and a good looking exhaust.

I am talking about the people that slap a muffler on the car that hangs at the wrong angle and beyond the bumper missing the groove from the stock muffler. And the people that buy up altezzas and rims you have never heard of.
Then they lean to the side with a visor hanging from the rer-view.
Does this only happen in Ohio?

[Titanium]

no not just ohio but it happens to cars that kids car afford. Not too many "kids that dont know any better" out there that will be able to buy the new civic and rice it all out. But I'm kinda sick of the honda equals rice. Rice is rice and it branches out all makes and model. Imagine how sick I feel when I see a camaro with altezza's!!! I wanna wreck them!

[BradC]

no not just ohio but it happens to cars that kids car afford. Not too many "kids that dont know any better" out there that will be able to buy the new civic and rice it all out. But I'm kinda sick of the honda equals rice. Rice is rice and it branches out all makes and model. Imagine how sick I feel when I see a camaro with altezza's!!! I wanna wreck them!
True, some dude has a otherwise nice fox-body mustang with these wretched altezzas....soooo bad (puke)

[MSP #167]

no not just ohio but it happens to cars that kids car afford. Not too many "kids that dont know any better" out there that will be able to buy the new civic and rice it all out. But I'm kinda sick of the honda equals rice. Rice is rice and it branches out all makes and model. Imagine how sick I feel when I see a camaro with altezza's!!! I wanna wreck them!

yes but the majority of rice is honda's and elipses.

Honestly around here 90% of civic/accord owners have horrible taste and have no idea wtf they are putting on their cars. they make them both sound and look like shit.

But for reliablity nothing is better than a honda. They make great cars, but just have dumb tasteless owners.

[LapisBlueProteg]

honda's are boring.. u see them every which way u look.. hell i can look out my window and see atleast 3. unlike any mazda we have unique cars and u dont see them around too much!

[Titanium]

yes but the majority of rice is honda's and elipses.

Honestly around here 90% of civic/accord owners have horrible taste and have no idea wtf they are putting on their cars. they make them both sound and look like shit.

But for reliablity nothing is better than a honda. They make great cars, but just have dumb tasteless owners.

I feel the same way about srt-4 owners, 240 owners, honda owners, scion owners, the list could go on and on....

[Hughes412]

that's great, congrats you just bought the me too car of 2006. I hope you enjoy seeing your car at every stop light.


LOL, I would much rather seen 1000 civics a day and see them riced out knowing I have better tast then that guy, then pull up to every light and see a grandma or nerdy old guy driving a P5 or Protege. Just like the SRT-4 is still a Neon, the MSP is still a protege! It's not that great a car, maybe that's why they only made so few. Parts are hart to find and cost way to much. The new SI is just an all around better car. It wont have the problems that the MSP had-has and parts are already there. So dog it all you want if that makes you feel better about what you wasted your money on.

[Titanium]

honda's are boring.. u see them every which way u look.. hell i can look out my window and see atleast 3. unlike any mazda we have unique cars and u dont see them around too much!

I feel most all cars in the US market are boring until you hit the 30-40 mark. Then cars seem to become less boring...

[CasopoliS]

FYI boostedorange is ruining his MSP as we speak. So its not ALL hondas / eclipses, just a lot MORE of them.

[MSP #167]

LOL, I would much rather seen 1000 civics a day and see them riced out knowing I have better tast then that guy, then pull up to every light and see a grandma or nerdy old guy driving a P5 or Protege. Just like the SRT-4 is still a Neon, the MSP is still a protege! It's not that great a car, maybe that's why they only made so few. Parts are hart to find and cost way to much. The new SI is just an all around better car. It wont have the problems that the MSP had-has and parts are already there. So dog it all you want if that makes you feel better about what you wasted your money on.

funny, i didn't waste my money on anything.....looking at what you drive and your mod list i'd say you wasted your money.

how do you like buying performace parts and spending money not to see any gains?

Feels good huh?

I never said the msp was that great of a car its a good car for the money....and its better than any civic si that has come out previously. In terms of stock trim.

[MSP #167]

FYI boostedorange is ruining his MSP as we speak. So its not ALL hondas / eclipses, just a lot MORE of them.

yes i feel bad for his msp.....he should put it up for adoption.

[Rickman]

...bikes give you a better sense of speed that is unmatched to any car.

Not any car, look into the Ariel Atom. I'd want one if they didnt cost so damn much.

Congrats on the CIVIC.

[raptur2000]

funny, i didn't waste my money on anything.....looking at what you drive and your mod list i'd say you wasted your money.

how do you like buying performace parts and spending money not to see any gains?

Feels good huh?

I never said the msp was that great of a car its a good car for the money....and its better than any civic si that has come out previously. In terms of stock trim.


The new SI is gonna be off the hinges...sorry (but have to say) WAY better than the MSP...handling, speed, style...and more

[Titanium]

why is the si rated at 197hp? With it using the k20 from the rsx why it's rated at the same hp?

[livelyjay]

The new SI looks decent, a lot better than the mini-van they are passing off as the SI right now. The fact remains that there was a nice wave of sport compacts from the factories: SRT-4, Spec-V, MSP, Lancer Ralliart, Celica GT, SVT, etc. The fact remains that the only ones that will remain are the new SI, Ralliart, that new Corolla (bleh), and the RSX Type-S. The rest are gone or soon will be. There will be another wave in a year or two.

The new SI might be better than the MSP, but IT SHOULD BE. Honda screwed up the latest SI, so they need to play catch up. there's no need to compare, because in the general sense of things, cars get better as competition heats up.

[icespeed]

I feel most all cars in the US market are boring until you hit the 30-40 mark. Then cars seem to become less boring...

lol... only because past that mark they are no longer US or Japanese cars!!!!! They all curve into European MFG!!!!!!!!!

On the other hand, I would assume that everyone here owns a car that was less than 30K (I know that there are a few rx-8's around here that probably went for 1k or 2k more). If you look at all the sport compact cars (give or take 20k) that have come out over the past four years, I would still take my msp any day of the week!! The RSX-S is way too small, the '01 Integra GSR was way too small, the lancer (including evo) is really cheap looking inside. The SRT-4, while I love it's power output, I owned two neons in the mid 90's and would never own one again, the inside is very "cheap" even with the boost guage. The new '06 SI is a much needed improvement over the it's predecessing monstrosity of a toyota matrix, but it's too accord-ish for me. When I look at a car, I want to see curves and concrete lines, a balance normally not attained for a 20k car. Sure there are many nit-picking things I dislike about the msp... the rear of the car is too sudden from the "c" pillar back and not symmetrical to the extending hood, etc., but all-in-all, it is a very well done car. Where Mazda didn't excel at the "performance", it made up with interior decoration and handling. At the end of the day, it suits me fine, A car with punch, yet elegant and refined... for a 20k car. Even if I sank another 10k into it, it wouldn't have the M3 logo on it, but it would beat the hell out of a $60,000.00 Bimmer. The civic, on the other hand, while holding it's value and costing more upfront, is still a civic that, in five years, will be the basis of every high school kid's aspirations of making loud noises from a car that, after five years, they can finally afford.

[Spooled]

Civics are like tampons; every pussy has one.

The new Si looks too much like a mini Accord for my taste, although it has one of the best I4 engines and smoothest 6-speed trannies on the road. I love driving RSXs, and with the LSD in the Civic it will probably be a high 14 second car stock.

[livelyjay]

Good points. My gf won't even drive a Civic, and she drives a Ford Contour right now :p

[MSP #167]

Civics are like tampons; every pussy has one.

The new Si looks too much like a mini Accord for my taste, although it has one of the best I4 engines and smoothest 6-speed trannies on the road. I love driving RSXs, and with the LSD in the Civic it will probably be a high 14 second car stock.

numbers showed like 15.4 or something. that is horrible.

[Rickman]

Does it get better gas mileage?

[Matthew]

its funny what you people say about civics (albiet i think the new ones are still ugly etc) when civics have 32409873289047238097490832749083279480732098740982 37490832749807329084732980749082374908327409827309 47328904723 times more potential than the msps, and have tons more parts available and for cheaper generally.

i understand there is a certain brand vs. brand argument, but be realistic. yea there are a ton of srt4s but each one stock will smoke 95% of the msps around, even most of the modded ones. then lets not talk dollar for dollar hp/modification ratios either.

if you cant appreciate all types of cars, then youre just ignorant. if you think your 2003 msp is the best car in the world im guessing its either your first car, or first new car, which is fine.

i felt the same way about my first car. im on my 5th now in about 7 years.. i loved my protege when i had it. but everyone will eventually move on. most people trade their cars within 2-3 years of ownership.

[MazdaSpeedTurbo]

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/4159/bivgh15rk.jpg

[Spooled]

why is the si rated at 197hp? With it using the k20 from the rsx why it's rated at the same hp?

For the same reason that the CTS-V is rated at 400hp using the same engine as the 2005 Z06 rated at 405hp. Branding politics. Acura is Honda's premium brand and they don't want competition between them (even though the new RSX-S has 210hp).

[RallyeRedSi]

lets see in 2004 it was the neon srt-4 in 2005 it was the evo, so im guessing for 2006 it gonna be the civic si thats gonna be the new traded in my car for trend around

[nvmsp]

Anyone notice how matthew always has something negative to say bout the MSP? Modded msp's at 9-10psi not even at redline will beat a STg 1 SRT-4. Many msp's have proven that don't need to list.

I wonder what a SRT-4 would do to a stock WRX.The WRX would probably win (rofl).

This is it, whoever puts the best parts and spends... usually the most money(ecludes Honda owners lol) will have the faster car. Any of our cars SRT,MSP,EVO,STI,WRX,GTI,JETTA,GSR on Boost,Type-R etc., is just as fast as each other with only a few of the best/proper mods.
So if you wanna compare stock for stock then fine yea the Srt is faster, and looks like the new SI will be faster too. But don't go saying the properly modded MSP'S with good drivers are slower than Stage 1 Srt's or new civics. Especially W/O including your car when you refer to slow cars.

[nvmsp]

I like that Mugen Civic.

[RallyeRedSi]

the msp is my 5th car and it is by far my favorite more than my rsx and integra while i still miss those cars i think i will miss this one the most and i will keep this car till it falls apart

[Hughes412]

funny, i didn't waste my money on anything.....looking at what you drive and your mod list i'd say you wasted your money.

how do you like buying performace parts and spending money not to see any gains?

Feels good huh?

I never said the msp was that great of a car its a good car for the money....and its better than any civic si that has come out previously. In terms of stock trim.



LOL no my parts list was a designed around power/gas milage. I only got 280-300 miles per tank 12.5gal and with then mods now I get 320-340. Not only that, I have ran with 4doorsandatrunk (member here) and while he pulls on me, it's not untill the end of third. Yes he's stock, oh did I say he has a MSP?
Plus I guess you can say I'm lucky, my F/wheel new was almost 450 I got for 200 shipped, same with the header, the ecu 175, cai 69. I can out run alot of n/a cars so yea my mods not only pay for them selves but pay back. I didn't buy this car to be fast, I traded a 97z28 for it, and it wasn't close to being stock. But at 8mpg and being a single dad it just didn't fit.

[Matthew]

Anyone notice how matthew always has something negative to say bout the MSP? Modded msp's at 9-10psi not even at redline will beat a STg 1 SRT-4. Many msp's have proven that don't need to list.

I wonder what a SRT-4 would do to a stock WRX.The WRX would probably win

who said the stock wrx anything? the MSP isnt gods gift to imports. i hate to break it to you...if it was so great, it wouldnt have been discontinued in a year and have so many damn problems.

any car can be made to run fast. i was talking stock for stock. and the neon has a ton more potential than the MSP as does the WRX. not to mention with the WRX you have AWD and tons of aftermarket support.

spend less than a grand on a wrx, remove three cats, and get engine management, TBE, and uppipe and see what gains you get.

spend 1k on a msp and get what? certainly not the same things, and at the same gains. no to mention ease of install.

you cant even get mazda to fix your radio half the time. the neons at least have aftermarket support. you dont have to wait 6 months for a normal part etc.

it just shows how ignorant you are when you bash all other cars and act like the msp is some great shit.

yea, its nice. but the true ones that compete with anything are just a protege sedan with a big wing and totally different turbo setup from the factory. with the wrx you can keep the stock intake and TMIC all the way well past 300whp on stock internals and not spin your wheels halfway down the track.

im not saying one is better per say, because i loved my protege. but im just talking how sad you are for not opening your eyes.

[unwrittenLaw]

WRX is teh suckness :p

[geomatics_tech]

Civics are like tampons; every pussy has one.


Funny, cause its true.

[geomatics_tech]

who said the stock wrx anything? the MSP isnt gods gift to imports. i hate to break it to you...if it was so great, it wouldnt have been discontinued in a year and have so many damn problems.


.......maybe cause it was the last model year! You're still here?

[Matthew]

shut up you idiot, it was the first and only year.

fucking noobs.

[J dragon]

All I have to say is.....Mazdaspeed 3, Nuff said...

hell even the Mazdaspeed 6 will make your Civic si pussy..., you fuckin tool you are Raptur2000...

Mazda4Life

[unwrittenLaw]

lol...this shit's funny

[nvmsp]

Ok, let me help you open your eyes oh wise one.

You come out of nowhere comparing the SRT-4 to the MSP. Your ALWAYS saying some stupid shit about the MSP, end of story. Who SAID msp ANYTHING....YOU DID.
Thats why i said something bout your WRX.

Now, brilliant master, You think a WRX with EM is God's gift. I don't think the MSP is god's gift and never have I said that. I can't wait till you get EM and a shitty looking Civic hands you your ass.

I went on to say, any car with EM +other proper mods etc., can be just as fast as any car. Talk to 505zoom on his mostly stock turbo set-up.Race him when you get EM.

Bashing other cars???I said something bout the civic I'll admit, But i don't like any civics except the Mugen one that's out now or about to be. I said something about your stock WRX because you decided to compare the msp. What other car did i bash? By the way, yOUR onThe Wrong Forum BUDDY.

As far as potential, I can see just fine. The WRX or SRt-4 has more potential easily attained but who cares. If you put ENOUGH MONEY INTO ANY CAR IT GOES just as fast. And if you think the New Civic has more potential on boost without spending massive amounts then Lemme get a hit of what your smoking. And stock for stock MSP VS WRX. I wouldn't be happy paying $6,000 +more for a car that's 2-3 tenth's of a second faster. With AWD omg. lol

[unwrittenLaw]

my cock n balls are bigger than anyone... biatches

[nvmsp]

it's friday night. I'll be out driving God's Gift everyone. lol

I don't care about any of these cars Matt, I'm just pointing out that you seem to always diss the PRoSpEED AND YOU NEVER EVEN OWNED one. Plus this is a Mazda forum.

The speed is just a few psi away from the EVO or STI or SRT-4 I don't think it's gods gift, I just like how a stock base protege motor can run with these strong ass motors like nothing with High psi and bigger turbos while using our ity bity turbo. Mean no disrespect to you or your car. Any car can be just as Fast.

Have a good night. I know I will.

[dominoy2k1]

the protege sucks, so who cares.

[2003protospeed]

who really gives a shit about the new civic and all the potential and how bad ass its going to be. from the dawn of the civic every kid that owns one thinks that it is the best car ever made and super fast. the new si could have 300hp or 97hp and the same dumb kids are goin to buy them and try to race everything on the road, i once was driving a mini van and someone tried to race me in a civic, i beat him but thats a differnt story. point is fuck an si. fuck an MSP fuck an srt-4 and fuck an wrx

people that get this wound up about something so stupid as a "CAR" are missing out on way better things in life. you think when the aliens come there going to say nice car

[vindication]

The new SI is gonna be off the hinges...sorry (but have to say) WAY better than the MSP...handling, speed, style...and more
I would hope the new SI would be better than the MSP. It really doesn't take much to produce something better. The new SI will be a newer car. Car manufacturers dont usually takes steps back. But guess what, the MS3 will blow the SI out the water.

[Brian MP5T]

Sweet!

[orlandomsp]

shut up you idiot, it was the first and only year.

fucking noobs.

What are you tring to get at? The MSP is a Protege, and the Protege was discontinued. If Subaru were to replace the WRX with an entirely new model why would they continue to produce the old model WRX STi?

[Antoine]

I think the new civic's "face" was inspired by the JDM Odyssey minivan...very sleek & thin headlights...grill...etc...

[Matthew]

What are you tring to get at? The MSP is a Protege, and the Protege was discontinued. If Subaru were to replace the WRX with an entirely new model why would they continue to produce the old model WRX STi?

then why bother to come out with a MSP version with a calloway turbo and other nonsense slapped haphazardly on? just to bait a few people into a few extra sales with their remaining inventory of regular sedans, is my guess, and help boost sales and test a few things out on the unsuspecting customer.

the point was that if the car was so great, it wouldnt have been discontinued.

[Antoine]

then why bother to come out with a MSP version with a calloway turbo and other nonsense slapped haphazardly on? just to bait a few people into a few extra sales with their remaining inventory of regular sedans, is my guess, and help boost sales and test a few things out on the unsuspecting customer.

the point was that if the car was so great, it wouldnt have been discontinued.

NO...BAD...DON'T FLAME...Noooo....bad member! (no)

[Matthew]

lol

[YuYuRena]

Car is car, and every new car is gonna be better faster and more value packed. That's always the case. The new civic looks good, but it's too big for me as a Civic. I'm glad you are happy with your car.

Regarding the comment on MSP being a "bait" to draw stupid buyers to buy out their stocks because it was only a one model year car. I have to disagree, granted the tuning was "basterized" by Mazda, but the car had decent potential. I'm not talking out of the box 300 whp, but a nice balance ride which is not found in most cars in the 20k region. Out of all the cars I have driven in my life, I have to say that only 97 M3 had the same ride as my MSP. But then again you can disagree with me, that's why you drive the car you have and I drive the car I got.

[JOS3]

oh jeez, another new Si. i dont see how the new Si wil be the best sport compact for year sto come when the rsx-s is better.

[Captain KRM P5]

people that get this wound up about something so stupid as a "CAR" are missing out on way better things in life. you think when the aliens come there going to say nice car

(braindead

[MazdaSpeedTurbo]

What it all comes down to is that the msp might not have all the power of a wrx or a neon but with a msp you build it to over come a sti evo srt4. building a car and making it run the 1/4 mile in 13 sec or less is a amazing feat and would make me very proud to know i paid 22000 for mine and put 3000-6000 inot the car knowing it handles awesome and can out drag a car that was 30k - 35k. awesome feat gl doing that with your great and powerful civic. GOGOGOGGO Vtec

[Matthew]

yes you can build to overcome either car. then spend the same amount of money on the other car, and watch the gap grow exponentially.

for example, that is your run time in your avatar right? how much have you spent on all those mods? people run better than 14.9 on stock WRXs...im sure better on SRT4s even more so.

[MazdaSpeedTurbo]

that was when i was stock gg just got all my mods

[Matthew]

i guess we'll see how much all those mods are worth.

[MazdaSpeedTurbo]

well before i would fall back about 1-2 cars on my friend r32 now i pull 3-4 soo should be very good outcome for the full 960$ i spend on all my mods

[mspHtown]

not gonna read entire thread but CIVICS suck ass.

[Matthew]

well before i would fall back about 1-2 cars on my friend r32 now i pull 3-4 soo should be very good outcome for the full 960$ i spend on all my mods

well hopefully that knocks about 2 full seconds or more off your time, since WRXs with about the same money in mods are running around 12.9-13.4ish with stock intakes, stock block, stock tranny, and stock TMIC...

[MazdaSpeedTurbo]

good for them they still spent more :) on their cars soo for what they paid i can get built block fmic ems intake, exhaust and 5th injector and run faster then them for what they spent

[Matthew]

really? i dont see too many proteges breaking into the 12s around here. even still youre youve got the AWD and more potential and support.

the point is we can go about this all day long, but im trying to show you that you people need to get off the horse, like the msp is gods gift to car enthusiasts.

its a nice car. but you people talk shit on just about every other car that comes out, which sucks, consideringa lot of them are superior to the msp.

[MazdaSpeedTurbo]

nah just civics :) 75% of usa teens have civics with their 6" tip exhaust with their jc witney double stack wing and primer is their best friend they just give really bad names for themselves and others :) i have some friends with awesome civics and they even think the same about most of the other civic owners

[tritonheat1]

First off, neither the MSP, SRT4, or WRX is in the same class. Can i add in a 95 EG hatch with a B20Vtec swap with bolt-on's with suspension work done, in there to since it'll stomp on all the above!! blah..blah..blah Who give's a rat's ass what you think about potential, if i wanted potential i would stick with honda's aftermarket support. But that's not the case, People bought the MSP for a well around car with little aftermarket support, not for drag racing. Same as for the SRT4, Evo8, STi, RSX-S,SpecV,350Z,S2000,RX8..etc. Yes the MSP, SRT4, WRX..etc are all good car's. Some have there weakiness, some have there capabilities! If i wanted to go fast stock without spending $ i would have bought an R1, Hayabusa, GSXR1000. My point is we all like to mod our car's,(1.) Can we mod them to go fast? Yes. (2.) do we like the import/tuner scene? Yes. (3.) Can we make any car go fast? Yes, if you have the time and money. So there's no point in arguing with my car is faster than your's or mine get's better gas mileage. or mine cost cheaper than your mods. So what? So does that make you a better person! Does it make me a better person than you if i made 90% than all of you do in a year? this thread was good from the get go, now it's pointless!

[geomatics_tech]

its a nice car. but you people talk shit on just about every other car that comes out, which sucks, consideringa lot of them are superior to the msp.

maybe its because we are mazda owners, and your opinion is different cause you own a subaru and shouldnt be on a mazda forum? (braindead

[Hughes412]

Oh hell boys, this was an SI thread lol.
The only reason you guys hate on SI and the other cars are because they are more of them. Because of that there are more of them fucked up. But now that the MSP has been out a while we are starting to see more and more of them riced out as well. I saw 3 on Ebay that was ate up. So I guess the same could be said of the MSP.

So far the SI is just better, we HOPE the new MS3 will come out better but if you look at Mazdas track record I wouldn't hold my breath. The MS6 yea has 274hp but take the 20+%loss in drive train add the poor tunning and the weight and you end up with slow heavy car. The 8 would have been a bad ass car if they would have put a rod engen in it enstead of the damn peace of crap rotory motor. Just think what you could do with the 8 if it came out with the 2.3 that Juan has built! Now that would be awsome. Anyways I just don't want to get my hopes up and then have them crushed. By the time the MS3 is out my pro will be paid off and then I'll have an opening for a new car.

[Matthew]

maybe its because we are mazda owners, and your opinion is different cause you own a subaru and shouldnt be on a mazda forum? (braindeadstfu noob

[MSP #167]

the msp led the way for a bunch of cars that followed, srt-4, cobalt ss, ion redline. And overall the msp is still a better car than these 3.

I would even take my msp over a WRX, the interior is awful and the transmission feels like garbage compared to the msp, even though its not too great.

of course i would take a sti over the msp.

[RallyeRedSi]

the si is nice, vtec is fun when drving, but i think ima get a wrx and bash my msp because i want to make myself feel better and superior than anybody else on this forum, what you guys think

[mspHtown]

the si is nice, vtec is fun when drving, but i think ima get a wrx and bash my msp because i want to make myself feel better and superior than anybody else on this forum, what you guys think



(rofl)

[Matthew]

i guess you havent been reading my posts about my protege, you idiot.

btw the transmission feels like shit because you dont know how to drive an AWD car yet.

[RallyeRedSi]

oh im soo sorry master of drviing awd cause anybody who hated a tranny must not know how to drive it because we all know u and ur car are gods gift to driving

[geomatics_tech]

stfu noob

Is that your best response? With 19,638 posts I thought you would've had a better come back than that. Maybe instead of having 19,638 posts on a mazda board (while owning a subaru), you couod find a subaru board and annoy the hell out them? (weakest)

[GrandBelialKey]

If I sell the orange car and go buy a kia minivan can I still come on mazda forums and talk needless know-it-all bullshit about war, and gas prices, hondas, and dubya ?

The MSP is the biggest piece of shit there ever was....
I know what Im talking about, I have 15 posts... (band2)

[vindication]

why is there soo much penis envy in this damn thread?

[RallyeRedSi]

(shrug)

[daperspeed]

The MSP is an awesome car. I am as excited to drive it today as I was the day I took it from the dealer brand new. I love the handling, the ambiance as well the radio. And this is from someone that has multiple cars, including an EVO and BMW's. ;) It has been good to me and been very reliable and think Mazda should be applauded for this car.

I don't want to be a mag racer..but I can whip out old Sport Compacts or Road and Tracks to show how much pro reviewers/drivers felt about the MSP/Mp3. :)

I like the new Civic Si. It seems like a awesome car, but Honda needed to improve. They were turning into a old persons company. ;)
I havent driven it yet but doubt it will handle better than the MSP does, especially when the MSP was new.

[Brian MP5T]

http://www.classicmoviefavorites.com/berkeley/whoopee.jpg

[FrigginGLI]

Ha, whats that.

[36Crazyfists]

Matthew, under your avatar it says (WRB) next to 05 WRX what does (WRB) mean???

and to all you goddamned arguin bastards - look at this pic

[yashooa]

lets see in 2004 it was the neon srt-4 in 2005 it was the evo, so im guessing for 2006 it gonna be the civic si thats gonna be the new traded in my car for trend around

(lol2) Yeah, I like my MSP just fine it is at 80k miles most of it at 12-15PSI and it has given me almost ZERO problems and the two I had the dealer fixed in two days. I guess I am just an old "nerdy" guy to use Hughes words. Like no old ladies or Middle aged guys will buy a 2006 Civic...please they are all family cars, grocery getters, gussied up dork mobiles not Ferraris :)
If I were single then perhaps I could have a new Z06 but alas with 4900.00$ a month in expenses and 3 kids one of which is graduting High School this year I have to settle for one of the best 20k$ cars ever produced and that, regardless of the few faults it has, is the 2003 MazdaSpeed Protege.

[cable43]

this shit is so fukin old............ continue

[Puckpimp71]

Since nobody has anything worthwhile to contribute:
I like big butts and I cannot lie. All you other brothers can't deny, when a girl walks in with an itty bitty face and a round thing in your face you get sprung.

[prostylez]

Since nobody has anything worthwhile to contribute:
I like big butts and I cannot lie. All you other brothers can't deny, when a girl walks in with an itty bitty face and a round thing in your face you get sprung.

you get SPRUNG!!! haha!!! great song... anyway... i love my mazda.. but i must say... the look of the 06 civic looks pretty damn sweet.

[Puckpimp71]

OMG, Becky, look at her butt.

[JOMO]

Its so big. I think the new si looks pretty damn good. I dont know why alot of people hate on honda alot. Not all kids with hondas have the ugly wing,primered bumpers and so on. I have seen those alot but also see clean si's, eg's, ek's. I dont like to degrade a whole community from a few people who don't know what actually looks good or think that there axleback muffler makes there car fast.

[wicked]

Is that your best response? With 19,638 posts I thought you would've had a better come back than that. Maybe instead of having 19,638 posts on a mazda board (while owning a subaru), you couod find a subaru board and annoy the hell out them? (weakest)

this is why Mathew has so many posts,because all he does is find some one to argue with.you're just adding to those posts.

he started this same shit with me when I joined

[Sushi-Monster]

the si looks pretty nice. Have yet to test drive it... prolly won't hit Canada in a little while... unless it already has. Usually when something like a new civic hits the market here in BC, you'll see at least 2 everyday pretty much since its every asian mans favorite car. Still, it's amazing to know that a base civic can go over 1000kms of city + highway driving on one tank. If your not concerned over the price of gas, then the SI sounds pretty nice right now. But I'll still take my MSP over the SI anyday. God damn, I just like the way my msp looks... but still ashamed that everyone that passes by still thinks it's a civic. LOL.

[BradC]

Matthew, under your avatar it says (WRB) next to 05 WRX what does (WRB) mean???

and to all you goddamned arguin bastards - look at this pic
World Rally Blue

[geomatics_tech]

this is why Mathew has so many posts,because all he does is find some one to argue with.you're just adding to those posts.

he started this same shit with me when I joined


Im not trying to argue with him, I just want to know why he's here? I know there are a lot of people on this site that are not mazda owners, but they dont always talk smack and start sh*t with people. I know this is Matthew's sceme, and I can imagine he is as annoying in real life as he is on here....... .......I just want to know why he's here?

[Damaga]

A base WRX has a beat-up puppy dog face only its owner will like and the transmission sucks! That's why I drive a sexy-as-hell MSP. Best car for the price at the time!

(had to contribute to this "SI thread")

Oh, and the Si does look nice. And the base civic sedan looks like a mini-TSX.

[Newf]

OH MY :( the maturity of this thread

Anyways, good luck with the SI. I had 3 preludes, loved them all. I'll test drive the SI when it gets here but I have my reservations about it, some of which are dealer related. I've dealt with Honda before, and well, I bought a Mazda. More the dealers fault though, but there is only one here.

AS for Mazdaspeed 3...it's going to be a hatch....nuff said. Which leaves me thinking what exactly is going to be my next car. It could be a SI yet, it might not.

[silverspeed03]

SI concept, looks sweet. SI production, mixed feelings.

[pb4ugoout]

there is a lot of bitching in this thread...and did this kid say he already had one? cuz to my knowledge it doesn't come out till December. At least thats what my dealer told me. I'm the first on the list over there for a silver one with the nav pack.

[Spooled]

This should be in the Automotive News section or something. It has nothing to do with MSPs.

[MSP 2731]

Since nobody has anything worthwhile to contribute:
I like big butts and I cannot lie. All you other brothers can't deny, when a girl walks in with an itty bitty face and a round thing in your face you get sprung.

itty bitty waist...not face

[GrandBelialKey]

itty bitty waist...not face

lol

[silverspeed03]

[QUOTE=pb4ugoout At least thats what my dealer told me. I'm the first on the list over there for a silver one with the nav pack.[/QUOTE]


so will you be parting out you car.

[meGrimlock]

the reason i dont like civics is because people with the grammar skills of raptur love them. other than that, they are exceptional vehicles.
-meGrimlock

[FBI14]

maybe just me but...

http://www.msprotege.com/members/FBI14/hn2006civiccoupe1768020m.jpg http://www.msprotege.com/members/FBI14/st2005ionquadcoupe1154997m.jpg

[Puckpimp71]

lol
Gotta lay off tha hashish... my bad
And I do agree with FBI14... I think I like the look of the Saturn more.

[azeli73]

Can you take a bat to the Civic like you can on a saturn??? (poke)

[MoJoeTCM]

Funny thread...I do see the parallel that exists in looks between the ion and civic, pretty scary. The only thing you forget is that the ion looks like a gorilla shitted in his hands and molded the dash with it. The interior of the SI is gorgeous imo. Really cant say much for the motors....these manufactuers are adding all of this crazy technology that makes it difficult to tune with just bolt on parts....like the new mustang, they say you lose horsepower when you add an intake. I do enjoy all of these new cars, but the only car that looks pretty cool im my opinion for this year will be the saturn sky, and the same body style z and s2k....rx-8s are nice but they need to msp it (the 6 looks alright i am not sure about the transmission they have in there....i hope this one is a success).....The scions need to put use to the T in their C....and turbo charge it...That would be my next car if that was the case....baby supra waiting to happen...

[pb4ugoout]

^^^did you know that the saturn sky is a revised and front engine version of the vauxhall vx220? pretty interesting if you ask me.

[2003protospeed]

Originally Posted by Matthew
then why bother to come out with a MSP version with a calloway turbo and other nonsense slapped haphazardly on? just to bait a few people into a few extra sales with their remaining inventory of regular sedans, is my guess, and help boost sales and test a few things out on the unsuspecting customer.

the point was that if the car was so great, it wouldnt have been discontinued.


Maybe so, cliche's -- "They wanted to go out with a bang" "they saved the best for last" "chicks dig scars, glory last forever" "its not cheating if ts YOUR dog"

[icespeed]

It's already been said in here, but I'll mention it again... It's kinda hard to sell last year's body design with performance (2003 MS protege) the same time your are selling the new body design in your showrooms w/o performance (2004 Mazda 3). And yes, they did not have enough time to do the same thing, AND have it ready for when the Mazda 3's started hitting the "shelves". It is evident by the fact that the turbo for the 2.3 is only now coming out, this November on the 2006 Mazda6, a full two years after the Mazda 3 started coming out. So your comment, Matthew, is null. It was not that they discontinued it because the car was not great, but because it would have been a logistical/marketing catastrophy to have two seperate "economy-priced" entry level cars competing for the same sales. Most people want "teh nuw". That is evident by the fact that after two years, most Mazda dealers are still getting close to sticker with no special financing for the Mazda 3. When I got my msp, Dec.19 2003, there were rebates and 0% and everything else imaginable on any protege, because "teh nuw" was already there and selling like hotcakes.

2003protospeed... Don't give in to such derogatory comments of a GREAT car!!!! "Get it? It's YOUR dog!!!", "Yeah, no, no, we got it."

[Newf]

I saw the new civics today. Only from outside. The new coupe is different for sure. It almost looks smaller. I don't hate the new designs by any means, and even the woman said she likes the couple/sedan better already, but it's going to have to grow on me. The dash is a bit different as well.

I'm going to go talk to the manager in the next day or so....he's a buddy of mine and actually the ex-Mazda manager who sold the mp3/msp to me. I need to test drive it.

On a side note, there was a tsx on the lot as well. Civic looks very close to the TSX, although I really like the tsx better.

[msp2fast]

LOL, I would much rather seen 1000 civics a day and see them riced out knowing I have better tast then that guy, then pull up to every light and see a grandma or nerdy old guy driving a P5 or Protege. Just like the SRT-4 is still a Neon, the MSP is still a protege! It's not that great a car, maybe that's why they only made so few. Parts are hart to find and cost way to much. The new SI is just an all around better car. It wont have the problems that the MSP had-has and parts are already there. So dog it all you want if that makes you feel better about what you wasted your money on.

WTF are you talking about!The MSP is not that great of a car?OK try to slalom at 72mph in a 06civicsi,s**t try not loosing 20hp of a cold air intake.Honda/Acura are the most overrated japanese cars,so damn i wasted my money on a limited edition,turbocharged,bodykited,suspension masterpiece,MSP.Whats so great about that sturn er civic,200hpvtec(105hp to the wheel)or maybe you are still whatching too much F&F.SOMEBODY GIVE THIS GUY $20,000 SO HE CAN BUY A SCOOTER.Oh yeah sorry u cant afford a Unichip! (mp3blue)

[vinnie mack]

LOL, I would much rather seen 1000 civics a day and see them riced out knowing I have better tast then that guy, then pull up to every light and see a grandma or nerdy old guy driving a P5 or Protege. Just like the SRT-4 is still a Neon, the MSP is still a protege! It's not that great a car, maybe that's why they only made so few. Parts are hart to find and cost way to much. The new SI is just an all around better car. It wont have the problems that the MSP had-has and parts are already there. So dog it all you want if that makes you feel better about what you wasted your money on.

uhm... well the Si is still a Civic. I don't know how you can say that car won't have problems in it's first couple years of production on the new chassis with all the digital shit inside, that's just asking for problems.

[DeadGeneration]

Hey! I am an old nerdy guy who drives a riced out p5! ... ok maybe not the first part... but still, I will be an old nerdy guy one day!

[jeffmsp]

its funny what you people say about civics (albiet i think the new ones are still ugly etc) when civics have 32409873289047238097490832749083279480732098740982 37490832749807329084732980749082374908327409827309 47328904723 times more potential than the msps, and have tons more parts available and for cheaper generally.

it sounds to me like you have been taken in by hondas corporate propoganda.i cant stand all these idiots saying the new Civic is the best platform because you can do way more mods etc. Every last mod you could possibly think of exists for the MSP, the problem is you dont have the knowledge or enough money to buy them so you complain. What does the Vic have that a MSP doesnt? IMO the new civic SI is nothing good at all, too overpriced and it looks like ass, performance is nothing crazy(if you think a mid 15 second car is fast you are a tool). Ive been to 2 dealers doing investigation work and noticed they all have rust in the doors already. honda quality eh..how long has the company been in North America and they are still making shit like this. Make sure you get the dealer to inspect and give you a letter on a dealership letterhead that they are gonna honour your rust warranty after your bumper to bumper ends... IMO overpriced piece of junk with no incentives from Honda, and as of today the price was raised on the car for the 3rd time since it came out(im in canda dont know what its like in the states), too many peoples looking to pay too much money for the name "civic" because they think its good. lol god honda must be laughing to the bank at these people. Im gonna laugh extra hard when I smoke another one of these things in my MSP. last guy just looked puzzled when his vtec got him nowhere.

one plus though, side impact airbags.



The new SI is gonna be off the hinges...sorry (but have to say) WAY better than the MSP...handling, speed, style...and more

How the f would a new SI handle better than a MSP? Smokala crackala?


why is the si rated at 197hp? With it using the k20 from the rsx why it's rated at the same hp?

There is a new standard for measured HP for manufacturers that came into play not very long ago, it accounts for the HP rating I believe.


Civics are like tampons; every pussy has one.


nicely said.

[meGrimlock]

wow this thread is still goin strong, and i dont think the original poster is even around any more! on a sidenote, just because everybody and their grandmother makes aftermarket parts for it, doesnt mean the cars are that much better. my roommate's brother just bought grandmother brand "coil overs" from ebay for $8 + $30 rip-off S/H...thats not even a "downgrade" thats an "ungrade"

[livelyjay]

My first post in this thread, and I'm not going to read the 12 page flame war.

I love my MSP, it's the best car I have ever owned (I still miss my 86.5 N/A Supra). It is not in the least bit the best car out there. Every dog and every car, especially in the sports compact arena, has its day. The MSP was the best car in this class for what I would say is two years. It was a close competition with the Spec-V, but the MSP nudged it out in reviews.

Then came the SRT-4. Once they worked the kinks out it was a great car in a straight line. Mild suspension mods and it was a great car with great potential (if you can put up with shoddy Dodge craftsmanship and materials).

The new Civic SI will be one up from the SRT-4, supposedly. I think it looks sharp, and supposedly it handles amazingly. That engine has huge potential, just look at what has been done with some of the RSX Type-S's out there.

The point of my rant, is everything is getting better for the sport compact class. The next in line is the Mazdaspeed3. I am hoping they tune the living crap out of the suspension and put in an LSD that can handle some power, because it could run circles around the SI. Then, two years down the road, I predict Nissan or Toyota will unveil the next iteration of the sport compact (Please Toyota, come out with a Celica that doesn't look like crap with gobs of power).

I like jeffmsp's comments, but a bit too harsh on everyone paying too much for the name Civic. If they are dumb enough to buy a Civic because of the name, let them. Overall car reliability has gone way up. Hell my Mitsubishi Lancer gave me zero problems after 40k miles, and I expected it to break all the time. Rust will always be a problem with Honda, Mitsubishi, and even Nissan. They use cheap metal and barely enough paint to cover the car. There are pros and cons to every car, but I do agree, the Civic is overpriced.

[speedprotegewi]

fly-by-wire is the most homosexual automotive system ever designed, ppl complain about it all the time at the lexus dealer i work at. the most common points for noticable delay is from a stop and accelerating out of a turn. the lowest designers have been able to get the delay to is about 0.5 second but the "allowable range" is up to 2 seconds haha.

anyhow, now that im done ranting, i gotta give some love to hondas. civics have always been very "tunable" not that msp's arent but being a major production vehicle where there will be millions on the roads. there is, and always will be much more in the ways of mods available to the consumer. just please, PLEASE dont rice it out too much, i wish more honda owners would build sleepers (thumb)

[Puckpimp71]

If they built more sleepers we wouldn't have anyone to make fun of.

[GrandBelialKey]

From what Ive seen in the forums the new Si isnt without its flaws, The Drive by wire casues a noticable delay in acceleration. After you let off the gas the car "hangs" onto revs and the shifter is not smooth and is noticably notchy (that would piss me off the most seeing as how honda has a rep for some of the nicest manual cars around)
that is my understanding also...

[deadstock]

lol whats with all the bashing? theres no need for that shit. msp's are nice, civics are nice, wrx's(dunno how that got into the topic) is nice. though im with mazda, doesnt mean that since i like the msp more than any of those other cars, im gonna bash em.