MS6 Turbo in a 3?

[weasel]

Anybody know if the turbo on the new mazdaspeed 6 will fit on the 2.3L for the 3 (help)

[Brian MP5T]

Umm, There is no such thing as a dumb question...

But...

3.0L V6 Turbo on a 2.3L I4 Not Going To Fit.

Serach for HiBoost Mazda 3

[mazdaspeedpower]

I thought the MS6 was a 2.3l?

[orlandomsp]

I thought the MS6 was a 2.3l?


It is infact a 2.3 (shady)

[Micah]

oooh BURN!

[weasel]

yeah the mazdaspeed 6 has a turbocharged 2.3L 4cyl I thought it was odd myself that they chose the 4cyl over the v6 but I'm sure they are smarter than I am

[RenzoMSP]

I'm sure they are smarter than I am
Im sure they are. Jk;)

[Dexter]

MS6 is 2.3L turbo, chach.

[weasel]

k, I already knew it was a 2.3L 4 cyl. and I think that this thread has well established that. But, back to the original? Does anyone know about putting the turbo on a Mazda 3

[Dexter]

no, no one knows about it. because on one even has a MS6 to mess with yet.

What do you want to know, anyways?

[weasel]

I want to put a turbo on my 3, and I thought that if Mazda already did the ground work I could just buy one and bolt it on. My only concern is the tranny. I have an auto and I would imagine the MS6 is a 5 speed. I also figured an OEM turbo would be safer on the engine than aftermarket. And hopefully cheaper!

[wicked]

highboost already has a kit for it.

[weasel]

did you read my last post?...

[wicked]

OEM turbo's are usually safer,only because they are always low boost.

aftermarket turbo's are a lot more thought out(if you buy quality)

[solid_snake]

I want to put a turbo on my 3, and I thought that if Mazda already did the ground work I could just buy one and bolt it on. My only concern is the tranny. I have an auto and I would imagine the MS6 is a 5 speed. I also figured an OEM turbo would be safer on the engine than aftermarket. And hopefully cheaper!
MS6 is 6-speed stick

[AzMz3]

I want to put a turbo on my 3, and I thought that if Mazda already did the ground work I could just buy one and bolt it on. My only concern is the tranny. I have an auto and I would imagine the MS6 is a 5 speed. I also figured an OEM turbo would be safer on the engine than aftermarket. And hopefully cheaper!


It would be cheaper and better to go aftermarket. I bet all of the parts needed not including the fuel and timing controller would cost alot more than all of the aftermarket ones.
So Mazda did not do the ground work as you have a Mazda3 and it is a Mazda6. And it will not be cheaper. And it will not be a complete kit.

Go Hi-Boost and just have them set it at a lower boost than it already is. (lol2)

[Dexter]

yeah, OEM (if they even LET you buy the parts...) will be an ASSLOAD of money.

[MazzyH07480]

the reason that they put the 2.3L in the MS6 is because they wanted to keep the handling of the smaller engine. the V6 is to heavy and bulky for cornering and handling. so they decided to keep the lighter engine in it and turbo it so i can still have amazing handling.

[Dexter]

meh, the 6 doesnt have very amazing handling anyways.

[Rennoc]

meh, the 6 doesnt have very amazing handling anyways.

Not stock but MS6 will

Anyways, the likeliness that a dealer would go through the trouble of ordering a MS6 turbo for you, seeing as that they dont keeped those stocked in dealers, is slim to none. Ecspecially if he sees you roll up in a 3. Not to menchen that by the time you buy all the OEM parts your going to be looking at a huge price tag. Aftermarket will save you money and its easier to tune so you can set the boost as low as you want to keep it safe, and you can always get an auto tranny cooler to help out with that too.

[RHAGEL]

The MS6 has direct injection so the whole intake system is different. As said before, by the time you bought all the parts from Mazda, a new ECU (and custom programmed it) a new clutch, and got it all installed, you are looking at quite a bit of money. Probably twice the cost of the hiboost kit.

[RHAGEL]

the reason that they put the 2.3L in the MS6 is because they wanted to keep the handling of the smaller engine. the V6 is to heavy and bulky for cornering and handling. so they decided to keep the lighter engine in it and turbo it so i can still have amazing handling. This may have been part of the reason but it is mostly due to the fact that an inline 4 cylinder is much more resposive to a turbo than a V style engine. Not to mention it is cheaper to manufacture.

[jersey_emt]

yeah the mazdaspeed 6 has a turbocharged 2.3L 4cyl I thought it was odd myself that they chose the 4cyl over the v6 but I'm sure they are smarter than I am

Have you ever seen the engine bay of a Mazda 6s? There ain't much room in there for a turbo :)

[solid_snake]

Have you ever seen the engine bay of a Mazda 6s? There ain't much room in there for a turbo :)
http://i18.ebayimg.com/02/i/04/ee/17/f4_1_b.JPG

[tsunami]

not one turbo two turbos... isn't that why the V set up is so sweet? you can turbo both sides of the engine... that way you have smaller turbos and can fit them in smaller areas... i am just dreamin here but it would be interesting...

[RHAGEL]

not one turbo two turbos... isn't that why the V set up is so sweet? you can turbo both sides of the engine... that way you have smaller turbos and can fit them in smaller areas... i am just dreamin here but it would be interesting... I believe a bi-turbo set-up is used to reduce turbo lag. One turbo is set at a lower pressure so it will spool faster and create more power on the low end. The second turbo is used at a higher pressure to increase power on the top end. You don't have to indepenently compress the air for each cylinder bank because they use the same intake manifold. I think it is also harder to turbo a V style engine because of the amount of power working against the crankshaft. You figure the back and forth movement is hard on an engine, especially when boost kicks in. An inline engine is smoother and more linear because all the movement is struictly up and down, not at 30-45 degree angles from each other. For Mercedes, Bently, etc. to add twin turbos to a V-12 takes a lot of presision and balancing to get the engine to run efficiently. Whats crazy is the new Bugatti with a quad turbo W-16 and 1001hp.

[RHAGEL]

Anyone feel free to jump in if I am giving inaccurate info.

[Rainman]

OEM turbo's are usually safer,only because they are always low boost.

aftermarket turbo's are a lot more thought out(if you buy quality)

MS6 turbo is supposed to push up to 15 PSI stock (Mazda's info on the site).

R

[Rainman]

I believe a bi-turbo set-up is used to reduce turbo lag. One turbo is set at a lower pressure so it will spool faster and create more power on the low end. The second turbo is used at a higher pressure to increase power on the top end. You don't have to indepenently compress the air for each cylinder bank because they use the same intake manifold. I think it is also harder to turbo a V style engine because of the amount of power working against the crankshaft. You figure the back and forth movement is hard on an engine, especially when boost kicks in. An inline engine is smoother and more linear because all the movement is struictly up and down, not at 30-45 degree angles from each other. For Mercedes, Bently, etc. to add twin turbos to a V-12 takes a lot of presision and balancing to get the engine to run efficiently. Whats crazy is the new Bugatti with a quad turbo W-16 and 1001hp.

Sounds right. The MS6 was originally supposed to be a bi-turbo engine, but that idea got squashed pretty quickly by some bean-counter.

R

[jersey_emt]

I believe a bi-turbo set-up is used to reduce turbo lag. One turbo is set at a lower pressure so it will spool faster and create more power on the low end. The second turbo is used at a higher pressure to increase power on the top end. You don't have to indepenently compress the air for each cylinder bank because they use the same intake manifold. I think it is also harder to turbo a V style engine because of the amount of power working against the crankshaft. You figure the back and forth movement is hard on an engine, especially when boost kicks in. An inline engine is smoother and more linear because all the movement is struictly up and down, not at 30-45 degree angles from each other. For Mercedes, Bently, etc. to add twin turbos to a V-12 takes a lot of presision and balancing to get the engine to run efficiently. Whats crazy is the new Bugatti with a quad turbo W-16 and 1001hp.

That's one way to set it up (small turbo for minimal lag, then the larger turbo takes over at high RPMs for lots of peak power)....but many twin turbo cars have two of the same turbos. Works great for 'V' or boxer engines.

[doogie]

Turbo's are so much better designed today that a single turbo that is capable of supplying enough cfm for over 500 whp in a 2.0 liter 4 cylinder engine with virtually no lag with the aid of proper electronics. So that being said it has nothing to do with outright power but rather a package that is affordable to a broad base market also considering operational cost to the consumer including insurance and maintenance. I think Mazda made a good choice in going with this package. It gives some that would buy a Audi, Jaguar etc. a cost effective alternative.

Ok, enough with the blah, blah, blah...... after market turbo kit for the 3 such as Highboost is the most cost effective choice at the moment apart from going custom. We have a kit for the MZ3 coming out in the near future so that would also be an option. So far we have made VERY, VERY GOOD numbers and reliability is also inline.

[weasel]

Turbo's are so much better designed today that a single turbo that is capable of supplying enough cfm for over 500 whp in a 2.0 liter 4 cylinder engine with virtually no lag with the aid of proper electronics. So that being said it has nothing to do with outright power but rather a package that is affordable to a broad base market also considering operational cost to the consumer including insurance and maintenance. I think Mazda made a good choice in going with this package. It gives some that would buy a Audi, Jaguar etc. a cost effective alternative.

Ok, enough with the blah, blah, blah...... after market turbo kit for the 3 such as Highboost is the most cost effective choice at the moment apart from going custom. We have a kit for the MZ3 coming out in the near future so that would also be an option. So far we have made VERY, VERY GOOD numbers and reliability is also inline.
Who's we?...if thier is another kit coming some details would be cool

[doogie]

Cybernation Motorsports.

[ZoomVT]

i was going to ask the same question but it didnt make sense to me.
it will be cool to have a 3rd option.

[Rainman]

Turbo's are so much better designed today that a single turbo that is capable of supplying enough cfm for over 500 whp in a 2.0 liter 4 cylinder engine with virtually no lag with the aid of proper electronics. So that being said it has nothing to do with outright power but rather a package that is affordable to a broad base market also considering operational cost to the consumer including insurance and maintenance. I think Mazda made a good choice in going with this package. It gives some that would buy a Audi, Jaguar etc. a cost effective alternative.

Ok, enough with the blah, blah, blah...... after market turbo kit for the 3 such as Highboost is the most cost effective choice at the moment apart from going custom. We have a kit for the MZ3 coming out in the near future so that would also be an option. So far we have made VERY, VERY GOOD numbers and reliability is also inline.

The 2.3L just seems to be a glutton for boost doesn't it?
:cool:

[doogie]

Yes, could say that..compression and head design and also a solid botton end make for a great candidate..(yippy) ;)

[ZoomVT]

did you guys see the new dynos from HiBoost?
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=121928

[daedalus]

all we need is someone to wrap their ms6 around a poll... so someone can buy the tranny and engine and get to swapping...

[JOS3]

did you guys see the new dynos from HiBoost?
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=121928

(rockon)

[Rainman]

all we need is someone to wrap their ms6 around a poll... so someone can buy the tranny and engine and get to swapping...

Although, that would provide ample opportunity for this engine swap, I hope not to be the donor. Driving home last night I thought it might be possible (-15 degrees Celcius, black ice ALL over the place, 8 accidents in a 5 km stretch), but I managed to make it home in one piece. Sorry guys...LOL...I thwarted your plan this time.

R

[daedalus]

DAMN IT!!! lol. just kidding rainman... glad you got you and your baby home in one piece.

[Amemiya]

The Mazdaspeed 6 uses the 2.3 liter four cylinder W/ turbo.

[Rainman]

DAMN IT!!! lol. just kidding rainman... glad you got you and your baby home in one piece.

No worries brother. We had about 15cm of snow today. Had a bit of fun with 4 wheels spinning, but I kept it quiet on the icy parts. Trying hard not to be a 2.3L donor...LOL!

R

[MP3Architect]

I want to put a turbo on my 3, and I thought that if Mazda already did the ground work I could just buy one and bolt it on.
i really hope you realize theres much more to it then that. just "boltin it on" is NOT a good idea. there will be more pieces required.

[BoostThat3]

Not stock but MS6 will

Anyways, the likeliness that a dealer would go through the trouble of ordering a MS6 turbo for you, seeing as that they dont keeped those stocked in dealers


(blowjob) haha

[POSEIDON]

Umm, There is no such thing as a dumb question...

But...

3.0L V6 Turbo on a 2.3L I4 Not Going To Fit.

Serach for HiBoost Mazda 3


Never too late to offer up a "nice work ace" (boom07)

[Guam_STI]

What aftremarket turbo kits would you guys recommend for a 2005 Mazda 3, automatic? This is my wife's car so low boost and reliability are important.