Advice on how to make crazy HP...

[akeem1003]

Ok. Tonight, I was driving home from hanging out with my friends and this SRT-4 pulls up beside me. I wanted to race him just to see how I would do up against one so I did. Turns out this wasn't an ordinary SRT-4. That thing hauled ass. When I got a chance to talk to the driver, he said that he upgraded to a much bigger turbo than the stock one and drove away. That did it. So now, I want to know what turbo and engine upgrade I should go with to make some crazy HP. Help me out people.

[sweetlou69]

god based on your mods your gonna need alota mods to keep upto a moded srt4..run 10psi, fmic, most def a downpipe..some sort of ems. and the MAM manifold is sick..unless u really have cash then forge the internals, get some injectors and run some hi psi #'s

[ChopstickHero]

sell you car. buy an SRT4.

[sweetlou69]

or u could do that...just buy the shortblock from mental addiction.its only 2800$ then that would be "crazy Hp". once u run 17psi

[akeem1003]

Ok. But seriously, what turbo setup should I go with? I've been researching the MAM Thumper Kit. I'm thinking about getting that kit. If I were to choose that one, what type of engine and fuel upgrading would I have to do? Seriou replys only, please.

[sweetlou69]

the thumper kit is good. but i would DEF forge the internals before that..i dont see payin 4500$ for a turbo kit if your not gonna do the bottom half of the engine. drop the 1200$ on pistons and rods to start along with some sort of EMS system. you wil be better off that way

[low_psi]

how much can u spend?

[akeem1003]

I can't spend anything now, I have to do research first. I just want some advice on what to start with first so I can a least make some where near 300hp.

[ChopstickHero]

easier getting a faster car!

[FunkyBuddha]

Yeah..should've gotten a faster car

[mspeed101]

You can always get a sleeper kit! Its designed to make around 350-400hp. That way you get less lag compared to the thumper and you will be able to run it safely on stock internals for the time being until you go forged.

[Spooled]

MAM shortblock and some good tuning.

[akeem1003]

I don't think I should invest in a turbo kit for "time being" purposes. I think its a waste of money. But I will look into the Sleeper kit though. Any other suggestions?

[Spooled]

Umm, the Sleeper kit IS a turbo kit.

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In order to make large amounts of power, you are going to either have to strengthen the internals of the engine (pricey, but the best path), or try your luck like 505zoom. His engine has held up with stock internals pushing close to 300hp for a while. Of course, his is an ideal situation. He also has forged goodies waiting for when his engine does decide to pop.

[akeem1003]

I know that the Sleeper Kit is a turbo kit. But is 505zoom boosting with the stick turbo or with another turbo setup?

[Spooled]

Some engines just don't have the backbone from the factory like otheres. Dodge made that engine to make shyte-loads of power, well, because they have that "1950-1960's drag racing on Woodward Avenue" mentality. Mazda has more of a "make the car out-handle a Porsche, but get your ass handed to you by a kid in a $18k jellybean" mentality.

[akeem1003]

stock*

[Spooled]

I know that the Sleeper Kit is a turbo kit. But is 505zoom boosting with the stick turbo or with another turbo setup?

Sorry, it didn't seem like you knew that when you wrote:

I don't think I should invest in a turbo kit for "time being" purposes. I think its a waste of money. But I will look into the Sleeper kit though. Any other suggestions?

505 has a GT28RS (Disco Potato) turbo which flows more air at a lower PSI (cooler air). It's probably the best turbo to mate to our engines for street use and still get great power. He also has just about every bolt-on known to the Protege community. Here's his Car Domain site:

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/495104

[Spooled]

Just be prepared to spend some money to make a bunch of power. The best investment you can make if you are going that route is to strengthen the engine. The FS-DE CAN make great power, it just has weak internals.

azian6er was one of the big-power pioneers on the forums. He has gone through just about every combination I can think of, and is currently back to the stock ECU and still making around 300whp. Of course he has bulletproof internals to handle that power.

[Spooled]

There haev been a few people that have made large amounts of power on stock internals, bu I can only think of one who hasn't snapped the rods yet (505). I think a lot of that has to do with driving habits, too.

[akeem1003]

And even though 505zoom is boosting with the stock internals, what other mods has he done to his/her car? I know he has to be running a good exhaust system and some type of EMS or Fuel Management System, right?

[akeem1003]

One other question, If I get an EMS, how many pounds of boost can I run with the stock turbo and stock intercooler?

[kicker22705]

thats completely up to you and your car. people have blown engines at stock boost, and some have gone as high as 22psi on stock turbo, ic, internals, w/ no ems like a champ.

has a some to do w/ tuning, and a lot to do w/ luck!

[apocman]

MPI, with extra injectors
MPNick stock turbo upgrade stage 1 or stage 2
Built MPNick tranny
Built MPNick engine
FMIC, hardpipes, with BOV
Ion or GHL Turbo back 3" exhaust
EBC set to 22-25PSI
Some gauges
few other little items

mix it all together and say a prayer and there you have it...

[JBreed]

Built Engine + EMS + FMIC + EBC + extra injectors... Good Tuning = huge hp gains!

[pluto316]

I also agree, get a better car.

[lcruz64]

Ok. Tonight, I was driving home from hanging out with my friends and this SRT-4 pulls up beside me. I wanted to race him just to see how I would do up against one so I did. Turns out this wasn't an ordinary SRT-4. That thing hauled ass. When I got a chance to talk to the driver, he said that he upgraded to a much bigger turbo than the stock one and drove away. That did it. So now, I want to know what turbo and engine upgrade I should go with to make some crazy HP. Help me out people.

Here is a list of parts and prices what will be needed for a 400whp build. Please keep inmind these are the parts that I RECOMMEND.


Mental Addiction built shortblock. $2995
Topline gasket set $275
ARP head studs $139
Ported/Polished head, SS valves roughly $1200
RC 650cc or larger injectors $450+
Mental Addiction Stage 3 fuel system $639
Mental Addiciton Thumper turbo kit with intercooler upgrade $4495 plus $300 upgrade(puts you in a 8" tall core.Bumper needs to be notched).
AEM EMS with 5 bar Map sensor $1895 plus $129 for MAP
AWR motor mounts $160
Ron Davis Radiator $489
Spec Stage 3 full face clutch $589
Spec Aluminum Flywheel $389
Quaife LSD with hardware $1750
tranny cooler,lines, pump,etc roughly $500
Axles $600

This pretty much covers Engine, Cooling, EMS and tranny.
Crazy HP

[sweetlou69]

agree shortblock and some good tuning... get some major bolt ons and the shortblock and just boost like 18psi out of the t-25... itll def haul some ass

[pluto316]

<img src="http://www.loti.com/60s_muscle_cars/Buick-Muscle/1987_BUICK_REGAL_GNX.JPG">

There, you just beat a SRT-4, plus look better while doing it.

[Spooled]

~$17,000 for all those mods...

[the_saint]

(mswerd)
*In reference to the GN

[pluto316]

~$17,000 for a Buick Grand National GNX and slicks.

[Puckpimp71]

A GNX will probably cost more than $50,000 if you can find one.

[lcruz64]

And is not meant to be a daily driver. Complicated mess I'm in.

[pluto316]

A GNX will probably cost more than $50,000 if you can find one.

Dude, a GNX is worth like $5k.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=189173811&dealer_id=56899514&car_year=1986&make=BUICK&distance=0&lang=en&max_price=50000&model=GRNAT&sort_type=priceASC&end_year=2006&min_price=1&bkms=1126823753909&certified=&address=32817&search_type=used&advanced=&isp=y&start_year=1981&cardist=1307

It's an 1986 Buick.

[HiBoost TS]

We have the Regular kit good for 330 WHP, the Big Boost kit with different turbo options ( GT28R, GT28RS, GT30R) that will make BIG HP.

Then you need a built bottom end. Our systems come with the Haltech E6X engine management, fuel injectors ready to bolt on.

You can make good power without spending that much money. You need about $6500.00 to run 12 sec and make 320+ WHP

HiBoost Big Boost turbo kit $4,800.00 (includes Haltech E6X, injectors, GT30R turbo, Tial Wastegate)

Forged internals: $1,200.00

Clutch $400.00

Here is the link for our run with the basic kit. We still are to test the car with the BIG BOOST kit.


http://www.msprotege.com/members/HiBoost%20TS/HiBoost%20P5%20in%20Action1.wmv

[Mallard]

Dude, a GNX is worth like $5k.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=189173811&dealer_id=56899514&car_year=1986&make=BUICK&distance=0&lang=en&max_price=50000&model=GRNAT&sort_type=priceASC&end_year=2006&min_price=1&bkms=1126823753909&certified=&address=32817&search_type=used&advanced=&isp=y&start_year=1981&cardist=1307

It's an 1986 Buick.
Um...no. A GN is i believe what you are talking about. A GNX is an uber-rare version of the Grand National only produced in 1987 and there were only a few hundred made. Definately fetches a premium.

The 87 GN and T-Type are the only one's worth buying anyway. The "hot air" cars sucked.

[pluto316]

The difference now between a GN and GNX is very nill, but you are correct, I was talking about the GN. That being said, same car (for the most part) and you can get one for less than $10k.

[Mallard]

I'd have to disagree that the difference is nill.


Buick handed the car over to ASC/McLaren Specialty Products. McLaren added a special Garrett turbocharger, lightweight ceramic impeller, and a better intercooler. A modified computer chip and a low restriction exhuast rounded out the power upgrades. To handle the extra power the transmission was improved for better shifts and the torque converter was upgraded. On the exterior, the GNX got fender flares and side vents that helped cool the engine. The Grand National's wheels were upgraded to 16-inch alloys, and the tires were wider to help put the power down on the road. Lastly, GNX badges replaced the Grand National identification on the grill and trunk. Only 547 GNX's were ever made.

But, yes, a GN or T-type is the cheapest way to go fast. My friend sold his T-Type in the spring and could only get 10k for it. It ran mid 10's to low 11's.

[geomatics_tech]

I would buy a built block or forged internals, fmic, 3" exhaust, mpi, fuel system and your going to need a clutch. The stock turbo will get you the #'s you want.

[pluto316]

I'd have to disagree that the difference is nill.



But, yes, a GN or T-type is the cheapest way to go fast. My friend sold his T-Type in the spring and could only get 10k for it. It ran mid 10's to low 11's.

You're going to need a tranny rebuild anyway, along with a new ECU retune among other things.

[Brian MP5T]

sell you car. buy an SRT4.


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[Brian MP5T]

So now, I want to know what turbo and engine upgrade I should go with to make some crazy HP. Help me out people.

Buy My Car...

BTW: 7000 Posts!!!(jerkit)

[akeem1003]

I've come to a decision. Thanks to all of you guys advice, I'm going to keep my MSP, buy the MAM FS rebuilt block, the Greddy Ultimate EMS, some WRX injectors, a stage 3 full racing clutch kit, Greddy performance fuel rail and fuel pump, custom 3" turbo back exhaust, and the MAM Thumper Turbo kit. I'm going to be on the tightest budget known to man, but I think it is worth it. Thanks again.

[mspeed101]

I've come to a decision. Thanks to all of you guys advice, I'm going to keep my MSP, buy the MAM FS rebuilt block, the Greddy Ultimate EMS, some WRX injectors, a stage 3 full racing clutch kit, Greddy performance fuel rail and fuel pump, custom 3" turbo back exhaust, and the MAM Thumper Turbo kit. I'm going to be on the tightest budget known to man, but I think it is worth it. Thanks again.uhhh since when did greddy make a fuel rail and fuel pump for us? and why would you go with the greddy ultimate its been proven not to work. I would go with a MPI tuner or Microtech for EMS. You might also want to add a quaife LSD to the list and possibly an MPI gear set. Then you should be set ;)

[mspeed101]

Buy My Car...

BTW: 7000 Posts!!!(jerkit)wanna give me some posts? :D

[505zoom]

And even though 505zoom is boosting with the stock internals, what other mods has he done to HIS car? I know he has to be running a good exhaust system and some type of EMS or Fuel Management System, right?

Like Spooled already said, my list is here:

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/495104

I pretty much just have all the bolt-ons and EMS... running 12psi to get 277whp. Now I am running a little over 15psi, and it is over 300whp for sure. Good enough to hang with most of the street cars around here.(evil)

[mspeed101]

Like Spooled already said, my list is here:

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/495104

I pretty much just have all the bolt-ons and EMS... running 12psi to get 277whp. Now I am running a little over 15psi, and it is over 300whp for sure. Good enough to hang with most of the street cars around here.(evil)ferrari killa! (evil)

[Spooled]

ferrari killa! (evil)

Ha, no kidding. 505zoom, you need to get a carputer with a couple webcams mounted in stratigic locations so if you are ever in that situation again, you are ready to record multiple angles. I made some voice recognition software a while back to control just about anything you want. You could start recording with the command "Begin ownage!" haha

[apocman]

Dam just took another look at all of the mod's you have!!!! must be nice!!!!

That's why we call you the MSP-rockstar!!!


Like Spooled already said, my list is here:

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/495104

I pretty much just have all the bolt-ons and EMS... running 12psi to get 277whp. Now I am running a little over 15psi, and it is over 300whp for sure. Good enough to hang with most of the street cars around here.(evil)

[Brian MP5T]

wanna give me some posts? :D

Can't You'll have to get those yourself...