Friggin' Brakes!!!

[redwagon]

Alright, well I just installed my new brembo rotors and hawk pads on my 02 MP5 and now everything is all screwed up. I did everything by the book and still their all jacked. I even turned the wheel during install to ensure the rotors were not dragging on the pads at all. But when I took it for a test drive it's like their just sitting on the pads and rubbing like crazy!!! They make a god awful noise and sometimes feels like the pad is just laying on the rotor. Any help please post ASAP!!!!!(rant)

oh, also I took the clip off for the e-brake and re-installed and now the e-brake handle has no tension on it?

[jadonP5]

i've seen posts about having to adjust the rear caliper with a small screw...the screw controls the position of the pads so it is correct when the ebrake is applied....

[redwagon]

I did it, I made sure when I installed the rear pads to turn the allen key until the piston touched the pad then turned back a quarter of a turn just like the manual states




i've seen posts about having to adjust the rear caliper with a small screw...the screw controls the position of the pads so it is correct when the ebrake is applied....

[capnsavem]

uh-oh....

[zoomzoom02]

That happened with me, you just gotta play with that screw untill you get some tension on it. It was wierd, it had no tension, moved it slighty, and it worked...

[redwagon]

well I bled the brakes some more and it has seemed to help but there is still a slight squeak coming from the front brakes. Is this normal with aftermarket rotors? I just want to make sure that this is common or not with anyone and what they tried or did to remedy the problem.

[capnsavem]

im gonna do mine soon.... hope it goes as planned

[Mad Hatter]

well I bled the brakes some more and it has seemed to help but there is still a slight squeak coming from the front brakes. Is this normal with aftermarket rotors? I just want to make sure that this is common or not with anyone and what they tried or did to remedy the problem.

The sqeak's not the rotors, it's the Hawk's.(thumb)

[redwagon]

does that mean that the pads are too big or something? I have installed many brake pads and have not had this problem before. This is my first time putting aftermarket rotors and performance pads together?

[Brian MP5T]

Alright, well I just installed my new brembo rotors and hawk pads on my 02 MP5 and now everything is all screwed up. I did everything by the book and still their all jacked. I even turned the wheel during install to ensure the rotors were not dragging on the pads at all. But when I took it for a test drive it's like their just sitting on the pads and rubbing like crazy!!! They make a god awful noise and sometimes feels like the pad is just laying on the rotor. Any help please post ASAP!!!!!(rant)

oh, also I took the clip off for the e-brake and re-installed and now the e-brake handle has no tension on it?

Bleed the Brakes, then if that does not work... Take it to a competent mechanic.

[redwagon]

thanks for the help guys. As you can see I accidentally posted twice so thanks to everyone who posted in both threads!!

[AlbNYPR5]

well I bled the brakes some more and it has seemed to help but there is still a slight squeak coming from the front brakes. Is this normal with aftermarket rotors? I just want to make sure that this is common or not with anyone and what they tried or did to remedy the problem.

If you didn't take that thin backing plate thingy off from the old pads and put it on the new ones I have heard that it can cause squeaking.

[Brian MP5T]

Most brakes should come with that plate Riveted to it. Normall Stainless Steel. If they are Hawk Pads they most def will have that attached..

[redwagon]

Yes they have the pad already on the pads so they are good there. This sucks because it's a good setup for a budget minded brake upgrade ya know? I even have goodridge lines to complete the package.

[Action Jackson]

Which Hawks do you have?

Did you clean and relube the sliders?

My Hawk HP+ did not come with any extra backing plates. I had to re-use the stock ones.

[redwagon]

I don't remember which ones they were, but I do remember they had the backing plate because when I applied the brake quiet stuff to the back of the pads they were there

[GNO]

Is it all four corners or a specific wheel?

Try checking the dust sheild that goes behind the rotor. You may have bent that in the process of changing rotors.

[redwagon]

It was only the fronts. I ended up taking everything apart, re-cleansing everything and lubricating all necessary parts and bled the living piss out of the brakes. The left front squeaked a little the first time I took it out but it stopped after and it hasn't done it since. I checked all the rotors to see if there are any grooves being formed but everything looks good now

[i12drivemyMP5]

I have the same setup all the way around - Brembo C/S rotors with Hawk HP+ pads & ss lines. 1st of all the ss lines made more difference in performance than anything else-I did those after pad/rotors-made pedal much better due to no swelling rubber. Anyway back to pads/rotors...There was lots of noise until the pads & rotors gelled. After a couple of weeks they were all settled in & have been great for over 25k miles with half or more left on the pads & rotors are holding up fine. I am not shy with driving habits & they have not been babied. One thing I did on the front was to not clip the lines to the factory position on the strut. The little anodized thing chaffed the cable into leaking from steering/shock action. The second set of lines are not clipped into factory location but are secured to the same place on strut up higher-it doesn't force such a sharp bend on the line coming off the caliper. Had no issues with ebrake tension & never messed with it.........

[Roywhitep5]

hawks are god awfully noisy. mine make my car sound lie a bus while braking. i guess Its normal

[msnewma]

When replacing the pads, do you need to replace the pad springs in the caliper?

I'm getting ready to change my rotors and was wondering if you remember was size the hub nuts were? I need to make a run to Sears to buy a socket.

Thanks.

[Brian MP5T]

I just went with Semi Metalic and X-Drilled. You are not driving a Ferrari...

[traitorhound]

did you clean the rotors off before yo installed them. . they must be perfectly clean so they wont' make noise. . . soak them in brake cleaner and then wipe it off. .. use the brake quiet goo on the back of the liners of the pads. and race pads tend to be noisy from the get go, if you want quieter pads, hawks aren't the way to go

[GNO]

When replacing the pads, do you need to replace the pad springs in the caliper?

I'm getting ready to change my rotors and was wondering if you remember was size the hub nuts were? I need to make a run to Sears to buy a socket.

Thanks.
No, you don't have to change the springs. Assuming you are referring to the M springs that help retain the pads, they are reuseable.

I think the nut is 32mm. I know my 36mm socket was too big. There's a notched area on the axle where the nut gets punched to secure it. You'll have to "undo" that and knock the divit out of the nut with a chisel or something. After you have a hell of a time breaking that bolt loose and you've got the rotor off, you can say to yourself, "Damn, I didn't need to take off the hub nut!!!"

No, that's never happened to me. . . .really. :rolleyes:

[P-Funk!]

^ Nope ^

Get it checked - my Hawks are quiiiiiiiet[ shush! Like a LIBRARIAN! ;)]

eh.

[msnewma]

No, you don't have to change the springs. Assuming you are referring to the M springs that help retain the pads, they are reuseable.

I think the nut is 32mm. I know my 36mm socket was too big. There's a notched area on the axle where the nut gets punched to secure it. You'll have to "undo" that and knock the divit out of the nut with a chisel or something. After you have a hell of a time breaking that bolt loose and you've got the rotor off, you can say to yourself, "Damn, I didn't need to take off the hub nut!!!"

No, that's never happened to me. . . .really. :rolleyes:


I'm bad at reading sarcasm--am I correct in assuming I need to remove the hub nuts to remove the rotor?

[Mazdacub]

I'm bad at reading sarcasm--am I correct in assuming I need to remove the hub nuts to remove the rotor?

The centre nut does not have to be removed. Only remove the caliper and its bracket by removing the two bolts located behind the rotor. 17mm I think. There is a small screw hole between two of the studs thas is there to help you remove the rusted on rotor. Just find a screw that fits the threaded hole (and is longer than the hole is deep) and tighten it and it will push the rotor off the hub. Usually you have to tighten the screw down a fair chunk b4 the rotor will break free. It will make a loud bang noise sometimes but that’s just the rotor separating from the hub because of all the rust.<O:p</O:p

[msnewma]

Thanks for the info. I would have been pissed!!

[Morpheus]

If you inadvertantly threw away your stock shims when installing your new pads, can you pick up a new set at any auto parts store or do you have to go to a dealer?

[GNO]

I'm bad at reading sarcasm--am I correct in assuming I need to remove the hub nuts to remove the rotor?

Sorry about that.

No. As Mazdacub mentioned, the hub nut does NOT need to be removed.

[Douggie]

If you inadvertantly threw away your stock shims when installing your new pads, can you pick up a new set at any auto parts store or do you have to go to a dealer?

If your new pads has a shim, you don't need the old ones.

[Morpheus]

If your new pads has a shim, you don't need the old ones.

That's just it, the Hawk HP+ pads only have the metal plate the pad itself is attatched to, nothing more. I tried to fit the stock shim on them, but it wouldn't fit, so I foolishly threw it away and now my brakes sqeak like hell when I stop.