stock tire...

[dark86]

i am just wondering when should i get new tire because my car only has 5k miles right now....

I m gonna be driving in rochester most of the time.... and i heard the stock tires suck in snow/rain
so not sure what should i do.

between , how expensive is it to get a remote starter installed?

[Lord_Zath]

they're usually ok in the rain. Snow they're fine if you take huge precautions.

A good remote starter and install will probably cost around $200. Any less, and the phrase "you get what you paid for" comes into play.

[mogi]

if you have the money, ditch the stock dunflops asap!
they hydroplane at 55mph with about 1/2 treadwear, and their snow traction just plain sucks.
get yourself some decent tires, do a search, pirelli pzero nero, yoko, toyo, kumho, etc

[boo-boo]

ya what he said ^^

[Mike R]

Wait a few more miles, then ditch them around winter time.

[MyZmZm]

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Steve, it's about time you got a pic of your beast on here - looks good!! You just need tint and a deflector! :D
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I drove through the first winter with the Dunlops, and they definitely aren't the greatest. Second winter I got myself a set of 15" steelies and Nokian Hakka Q's - I'll never, ever go back to 'no-season' tires again, they make that much of a difference in the winter. In summer, I drive on Falken Ziex 512's; great dry pavement performance, and much better than the dunlops in the rain.

Everyone is going to have their own preference on tires - winter, summer, street driving, autox, all-season, etc - but just about everyone agrees to go with a seperate set for each season, esp if you get amount of snow in the winter.

[dark86]

don't think i can affort another set right now ( and no where store them)
is there any all season tire thats pretty good on snow?
rochester snows every freakin day:(



as for the remote start.... does 200 include installation? i have no clue how to install those stuff

[Lord_Zath]

yeah 200 installed. maybe 300 installed depending on region and timing.

[ChopstickHero]

dunlops great dry weather. good in rain when new, suck when tread is less than half. absolutely suck in the snow. so if you are driving alot in the winter, get some good snow tires.

[dark86]

does installing remote restarter void the warranty?

[Lord_Zath]

technically, if they can prove it contributed/caused a specific problem. Otherwise you should be fine. But every dealership is different.

[Protephile]

My .02 FWIW: if you are gonna lay down 300 bucks for a remote starter, save up another $100 and buy a set of winter tires/steelies. I got mine from TireRack for $400 shipped.
Like others have said, the stock Dunlops are worthless in the snow, esp. after a little treadwear, and scary as hell in the rain. Trust me, after the first 2" of snow in Rochester, you will want to sell your soul for winter tires.
As for storing them---if you can't find a friend or relative with a little extra room in their garage, stack 'em up and use them as end tables.

[RaiderMP5]

The factory Dunflops are crap. Replace them asap. Total junk. I was out of those after 8K miles. The tires are good for dry, straight roads, that is it. Well, they can be used for planters if you live in the ghetto like I do.

[clicknext]

As the OP asked, is there any all season tire that performs decently on snow?

[mogi]

Pirelli Pzero Nero M&S are good in all conditions from what I hear around here. (M&S == Mud and Snow)

I'd gather that the AVS100 might be decent too, but I've never used them...

[Pretzellogic]

Where are you in Rochester? I'm from the area, so I'm curious.

The stock tires aren't great, but they suffice. If you are on a budget, keep them. For a Rochester winter, they will be okay as well. As long as the roads are plowed, you'll be fine. I made it through a rural winter in the Catskills with the stockers, and I survived. Remember, though: they do suck in the snow, so be careful.

[dark86]

i go to RIT

[Pretzellogic]

I figured. You sounded like a quasi-poor student :D

I miss Rochester so much. I demand you go have a Garbage Plate at Mark's diner right this instant, simply because I can't.

Zverg is at RIT.

[dark86]

haha i m in boston rite now
maybe when i get back
:)

but i m worry abt driving w/ stock tires in the winter... since i live off campus
haha

no abs+stock tires O_o

[WaxiP5]

I hyrdo planed at 40mph!!! hit a curb, damaged FR wheel, threw alignment off. I will replace with falkens

[dark86]

well the thing i m debating is that
if i get a set of snow tires instead of all season.... what am i gonna do in a rainy day during summer time

[RaiderMP5]

I think you will need to get 2 sets of tires, one winter, one summer. Seems to be what a lto of people up north do.

You can also move to Florida, and get rain tires for the 364 days a year that it rains here .

[dark86]

haha yea i want to get 2 set too..
but just paid 13k to buy this car last month... don't really have much more money to spare

[mogi]

a lot of people seem to like the Pirelli Pzero Nero M&S, should hold up year round for you I would imagine...

[Red Baron]

4 season tires only exist in people's minds (and in the dealer's). It's like one size fits all, doesn't exist, period.

These so called all year tires will be made illegal soon up here in the North (where our igloos melt in May). At 5°F they become as efficient as frozen hockey pucks. You have no choice. Get GOOD winter rubbers, the suspension on our P5's is so hard that you NEED flexibility somewhere when Jack Frost shows its nose.

I have over 20 years of driving experience in the winter, and only tried so called "4 seasons radials" once and that was the ONLY winter where I hit a curb twice because they simply had no grip.

Get 14" steelies and install 185/65-14 tires. Personnaly, I had Yokohamas A720 ice tires and I wasn't impressed in the snow. Goodyear's Ultra Grip SNOW are fantastic in the snow and are quite inexpensive.

Your choice, but please think safety.

[dark86]

so umm any good suggestion for a set of cheap snow tire?

[Lord_Zath]

I'm interested in this as well. using stock rims, so 16x6. So ideally 195/50/16's I would assume...

[Action Jackson]

I think you will need to get 2 sets of tires, one winter, one summer. Seems to be what a lto of people up north do.

I fit into that category.

[Action Jackson]

so umm any good suggestion for a set of cheap snow tire?

There are a lot of winter tire choices up here.

I am using Pirelli 210 Snowsports. Not cheap but for me worth every cent. It's not always snow/ice covered here, so believe it or not, dry road winter traction is important for me, hence I got those Pirellis. Other winter tires I had were very poor to dangerous on dry winter roads.

There is the Hankook W300 Icebear winter tires that I looked at. May try later.

Not too much $$$

Hope this link works:

http://www.tiretrends.com/catalog2.php3?tireID=396&pI=session--b4c3fea1727305bcd54d4c8f37470d9d@@currencyCode--

[mogi]

Dunlop Graspic DS-2 weren't too expensive, I got a set of 4 installed for just over $400. They did pretty good last winter here in WI.

[RaiderMP5]

I recommend researching for online reviews of tires you might want. In my 16 years of driving and tires purchasing, it seems that you get what you pay for. If it looks like too good of a deal, it probably is. Of course, that applies for many things, but tires are so important, get the one that gets the best rating. Putting a ton of money into a stereo, engine mods, suspension, etc will not make a difference if you are spinning into a wall in the snow or rain.

[RaiderMP5]

Dunlop Graspic DS-2 weren't too expensive, I got a set of 4 installed for just over $400. They did pretty good last winter here in WI.

That is a pretty good price for any set of tires for out car.

[AlbNYPR5]

There are a lot of winter tire choices up here.

I am using Pirelli 210 Snowsports. Not cheap but for me worth every cent. It's not always snow/ice covered here, so believe it or not, dry road winter traction is important for me, hence I got those Pirellis. Other winter tires I had were very poor to dangerous on dry winter roads.

There is the Hankook W300 Icebear winter tires that I looked at. May try later.

Not too much $$$

Hope this link works:

http://www.tiretrends.com/catalog2.php3?tireID=396&pI=session--b4c3fea1727305bcd54d4c8f37470d9d@@currencyCode--



I have the Hankook W300 Icebears, 205/50/16 and they work very well.

The year I got my P5 was about the worst winter as far as snowfall goes that I have seen since I have been driving. I didn't know any better and used the stock Dunlops. To put it mildly they really suck in the snow, I did make it through the whole winter without any issues, just need to take it easy and give yourself plenty of room to stop. I drove on the Dunlops until the following October when I tossed them and got the Hankook snows and I am very glad that I did. tires.com has them for $71 each, shipping included. I bought mine from a local shop so they cost me about 105 installed. Usually it will cost between $15 and $20 to get each tire installed by a good shop.

For those who live on the north pole check these out:

http://greendiamondtire.com/