I killed my motor

[PR54LIFE]

A week ago a fellow board member and I installed an aftermarket SS radiator hose. Early this morning while I was dragging ass into work it apparentlly popped off. By the time I snapped to notice my temp. gauge it was too late. The head was blown. Now I'm going to do a complete motor swap. What a great way to spend $2500.

[Boston5761]

damn that sucks

[ChopstickHero]

that sucks... i'm sure you can find a new head in a junk yard somewhere...

[PR54LIFE]

Yeah, but there is no telling how the rest of the internals are i.e. rings

[Johndg]

Yeah, but there is no telling how the rest of the internals are i.e. rings

mam has an engine.

[Maxx Mazda]

Rings are cooked probably. Just get a MAM engine...

[wicked]

PM sent PR54LIFE

[Protege2K]

You must hate money if you are willing to pay $2500 for a motor swap. Disregard this if you are going forged, but I did a complete swap when I blew my motor. Parts $775, labor $400.

[Hughes412]

You must hate money if you are willing to pay $2500 for a motor swap. Disregard this if you are going forged, but I did a complete swap when I blew my motor. Parts $775, labor $400.


But did it come with a 5yr 30k wty? I don't think it's a bad deal. Plus this is a new (or I should shy rebuilt) engine. I'm trying to talk him in to going forged but he wont listen AS USUALLLL!

[wicked]

um,thats not true^^^^
a engine from mazda costs 2300 for a short block
or a good used from a junker is around $2000 long block.

and I would never do a shop at my shop for $400,if I did,we would go out of bussiness

espcially if we were rebuilding it.

[Protege2K]

um,thats not true^^^^
a engine from mazda costs 2300 for a short block
or a good used from a junker is around $2000 long block.

and I would never do a shop at my shop for $400,if I did,we would go out of bussiness

espcially if we were rebuilding it.
My long block costs $700 plus shipping from a reputable junkyard (if that is possible). I basically only came with a turn-key warranty. But that is all I needed. Mileage was low too at only 30k miles. It was in great condition and runs perfectly. Yeah, I shouldn't have included the labor in that post, it was done by a local guy who works at a place that tunes race engines. He does it on the side for extra money. But you can't beat 6 hours for a complete swap.

I'm just trying to show the guy he doesn't need to pay that much, if money wasn't an issue for us then we wouldn't be driving Proteges.

[wicked]

yes,but you are a example of lucky more then anything.sometimes you can't get deals like that.

I know of a place you can get a MSP engine(has all the turbo components)the only thing it would be missing would be intercooler/pipes,intake,and a MSP ECU for $2200
they usually only have like 20-35,000 miles on them

[MP5-T]

What is a MAM Motor?

[DeadGeneration]

a kick ass motor

[Protege52003]

sorry to hear about this man......

[PR54LIFE]

I thought I was getting a decent deal, a new block w/ no miles and warranty for 5 yrs. Money is an issue though, but so is time. Bumming rides sucks

[Mike R]

That's not bad. 3800 bucks for a shortblock installed by the dealer...

[PR54LIFE]

That's what I got from the dealer as well.

[Brian MP5T]

That FUCKING SUCKS!

[PR54LIFE]

Anybody else got any ideas as far other routes I should go? The car is at the shop but I haven't dropped any money yet

[Brian MP5T]

Used motor complete was purchased loacally by me for my rebuild for a mere $900.00 CDN

[Maxx Mazda]

Anybody else got any ideas as far other routes I should go? The car is at the shop but I haven't dropped any money yet

I'd go with a MAM motor all the way.

www.******************************* (http://www.*******************************)

[Mr. Win]

thing about mam is the turn around time... he has to wait on other vendors. Theres no telling how long hed wait. Buying a new motor for 2500 is a little dumb on your part. Look around and get a rental for the time being. Dont rush yourself it something.

[Aricjm15]

so you must not have seen the GIANT PLUME OF STEAM that usualy comes when you pop a radiator hose? even if you were going fast it would have looked like your car was blowing assloads of smoke from the tail pipe. Also there is also the strong smell of coolant that would have been pouring into the car. This can all be summed up as a very stupid mistake.

[Brian MP5T]

www.car-parts.com

[JBreed]

when I blew my motor... I did a local search through the salvage yards and I found one for 700 with about 20k miles on it. Had Mazda not warrantied mine that is exactly what I would have done...

[Brian MP5T]

There is usually no reason to not buy a used motor, most are undamaged in a rear collision.

[Hughes412]

so you must not have seen the GIANT PLUME OF STEAM that usualy comes when you pop a radiator hose? even if you were going fast it would have looked like your car was blowing assloads of smoke from the tail pipe. Also there is also the strong smell of coolant that would have been pouring into the car. This can all be summed up as a very stupid mistake.



Don't be a dick you bitchass punk. I hate shitheads like you. One I know the guy and two very dark window tint so no he couldnt see the smoke three the smell didn't hit until he found out something was wrong. Buy the time he pulled over it was to late. ASSHAT!

And for everyone ells, carparts.com is pricing all of their motors at a 1000, by the time you ship it and have it installed you would be looking at well over 2500 plus no warranty. So how is it dumb to buy a new motor with a 30k/5yr on it?

Now if some one really wants to help a guy out we could use a good head for a few 100 bucks. He could put that on and only be spending 300 for labor. If after the head is on and they find out the rings are bad then he'll have to rebuild the bottom end. While doing that he could go forged at that time.

See thats the kind of help people look for on a forum, not some sarcastic shithead remarks.

BITCHES! (alright)

[Hughes412]

thing about mam is the turn around time... he has to wait on other vendors. Theres no telling how long hed wait. Buying a new motor for 2500 is a little dumb on your part. Look around and get a rental for the time being. Dont rush yourself it something.


Mam sells their short block for 3+k he shot his head so he needs a new one. So add another few hundred. Now how is it dumb to get a new motor for 2500 installed with warranty? (hand)

[mogi]

who pissed in your cheerios?

[Hughes412]

who pissed in your cheerios?


Just alittle rant.

Some of these people come on this and other forums for help and some don't have a lot of cash to blow. That and you have others that every chance they get like to cut people down. That pisses me off, I like how the net makes them feel big. But in person you know they wouldn't say that shit.

[Autox MSP]

You know you could get a 170hp FSZE jdm motor for less then 1k.

http://www.noyanusa.com/

"Derrick from Corksport tells us that the best way to achieve flight is through a FSZE high-compression, non-turbo engine swap. This is the engine found in the Japan-only Sport 20, the factory hot rod version of the Protegé (called Familia in Japan). The turbo engine would certainly be intense but requires a transmission swap and numerous other changes. However, the FSZE engine will slip nicely into the Mazda engine bay with minimal technical difficulties and still achieve 170hp. The addition of headers, exhaust, intake, and computer mapping would raise the bar even more. From here, just look on the Corksport site for a detailed list of offerings to help complete the transformation of your ’01 Protegé into something remarkably similar to the Sport 20 sedan or Familia S wagon."

[Aricjm15]

the FSZE will not make 170hp out of the box in a US protege. Is it so bad that I dont feel bad for someone that didnt do a job correctly on their car? Didnt check their gauges while driving? All in all this could have been avoided had he checked the hose to make sure is was on correctly.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2000-01-Mazda-Protege-2-0-litre-Engine_W0QQitemZ7990131329QQcategoryZ33615QQssPage NameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/01-03-Mazda-Protege-2-0L-engine_W0QQitemZ7990650204QQcategoryZ33615QQssPage NameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

two engines less than $400
buy an engine for $400, buy a hoist for $140, spend a week with your car and use quality radiator hoses.

[Hughes412]

Assuming hes a mechanic with time to waist, well we all know what ASSuming get you.
Your also assuming that these engines dont need rebuilt. How long did they sit, were they stored properly (it doesn't look like it)?

Not all people are willing to put there faith in a used engine. To be people that buy a used engine and do not rebuild it befor they install it are asking for trouble.

[Replica]

Assuming hes a mechanic with time to waist, well we all know what ASSuming get you.
Your also assuming that these engines dont need rebuilt. How long did they sit, were they stored properly (it doesn't look like it)?

Not all people are willing to put there faith in a used engine. To be people that buy a used engine and do not rebuild it befor they install it are asking for trouble.
It doesn't take a mechanic to replace a motor. The new motor will go in the exact same as the old. Hell, the second motor I've replaced was a swap in a civic. Just use a digital camera to know where everything went and label stuff. I think a P5 motor could be replaced and be done with under $800 including fluids....

[Replica]

To be people that buy a used engine and do not rebuild it befor they install it are asking for trouble.
Wrong.

[Autox MSP]

ofcourse your gonna have some bad motors, just like new lemon cars. HOnda guys have been swapping motors for years with out much trouble.

[Hughes412]

ofcourse your gonna have some bad motors, just like new lemon cars. HOnda guys have been swapping motors for years with out much trouble.


One big differance, they have Honda motors LOL not these crapy mazda ones.

[Captain KRM P5]

http://www.mazda3online.com/product_info.php?products_id=465&osCsid=eedf7581b7a465e47027e573a3810a13

OR

http://www.car-part.com/

i have 70k on a motor i bought from a boneyard

[shane02pro5]

I just replaced my tranny from a junkyard for $500 shipped with 90 day warranty.
Pretty sure their motors come with 90 day warranty also for around $800.
www.a1-imports.com (http://www.a1-imports.com)

[Hughes412]

http://www.mazda3online.com/product_info.php?products_id=465&osCsid=eedf7581b7a465e47027e573a3810a13

OR

http://www.car-part.com/

i have 70k on a motor i bought from a boneyard

I've already addressed the MAM. Not only is it a shortblock it also says there is alot of other work that needs to be done to the car and ecu to make it work. Money and time is the enemy here, he doesn't have much of either one.

I don't know why this has become a which is better new or used but like I said before, 2500 for a new motor with 50k/5yr warranty (i was wrong before and said 30k) installed is a good price. To each his owe, if you want to take a chance on a used engine go right ahead. Yes people have done it before. But the only way I would ever go used is if I new the engine or if I had the money to rebuild it with forged parts. Other then that a warrantied engine beats a used cheap one any day in my book.

[Hughes412]

I just replaced my tranny from a junkyard for $500 shipped with 90 day warranty.
Pretty sure their motors come with 90 day warranty also for around $800.
www.a1-imports.com (http://www.a1-imports.com)


Now see this is the type of info that is needed. I know this place and yes they are good. I thought he called them. I just got off the phone with them and they have one for 800 with 90 day warranty and sell ext warranties (unlimited parts and labor for 300). And they are local.

Thanks

[mogi]

it is kinda funny how hung up on the warranty people are. a warranty does not insure that it will not break, it just means they will fix it if it does.... right... how often do companies/dealers try and snake out of warranty claims!

still, going new has better odds than used if you don't want to take the chance

just my thoughts

[Replica]

it is kinda funny how hung up on the warranty people are. a warranty does not insure that it will not break, it just means they will fix it if it does.... right... how often do companies/dealers try and snake out of warranty claims!

still, going new has better odds than used if you don't want to take the chance

just my thoughts
A warranty is NOT a guarantee that your motor will be good. It is dependent on conditions in which they can randomly set. I'd have more faith in a motor at around 15,000-40,000 miles than a new one because I know it's already broken in and free of manufacturer defects that the warranty "might" cover. And yes, I have put my money where my mouth is and rebuilt a motor and put it in my personal daily driver.

[Autox MSP]

most used engine places give you a warrenty that the engine will start.

[Hughes412]

And a lot of used engine places will put a sealint (?) and other additives in it so to insure it runs past the 90 days.

I've never had a problem with a dealer (of any kind) doing warranty work on my car. I know what to do how far to go and treat them with respect when I talk to them. In return I get my stuff fixed. Like my clutch replaced under warranty after the 12k warranty ran out and the mods on it.

new is better unless something like this 800.00 dollar engine comes along. If he can save 3-1000 the the used is the way to go.

[shane02pro5]

For you local guys in the future...

Airline Used Auto Parts -KOLT (http://www.airlineautoparts.com/) USA-TX (Houston) 1-800-989-0090
Capitol City Auto Parts - KOLT (http://www.capitolcityimports.com/) USA-TX (Auto Star Recycling Center, Inc. (http://www.autostarrecycling.com/) USA-TX (<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com /><st1:City w:st=Austin)</st1:City> 1-800-252-7045
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A1 Imports - KOLT (http://www.a1-imports.com/) USA-TX (<st1:City w:st="on">Austin)</st1:City> 1-800-426-5385
Maz - Max, Inc. (http://trade3821.car-part.com/) USA-TX (<st1:City w:st="on">Houston)</st1:City> Request_Quote (http://car-part.com/cgi-bin/quoteForm.cgi?type=g&sEmail=sales@Maz-Max.com&email=&part=Transmission&dbPart=400.1&dbSubPart=&model=Mazda%20Protege&dbModel=48.16.1.1&year=2002&stockNum=2635&price=650&desc=M.T.%2C%202.0L-%2045K-1.0&name=Maz%20-%20Max%2C%20Inc.&url=http://trade3821.Car-Part.com&int=C%3E%3FDB&broker=0&recycler=0&selleruserid=&miles=55&condition=-1&userid=1000&uIMS=&seqNum=69165492&userClaim=) 1-800-365-2193
Giant Imports (http://trade3159.car-part.com/) USA-TX(San-Antonio) 1-800-611-7876</FONT>

[Autox MSP]

well you can only bring the donkey to the pond, you can't make him drink it.

[GNO]

Another testimonial for "used" motors. $900 for a 6k mile motor with 90 warranty. I've put around 1500 miles on it so far. It runs a lot nicer than the last motor.

[PR54LIFE]

Update, I'm buying a used motor. 50k for $800, $650 for the install. As for me being a dumbass, yes I did drop the ball on this one. Im the one who always takes the extra effort to take care of the car. I park far away from anyone, keep tabs on everything, drive it easy. Basically I baby the shit out of this car. Yes this hose was a little "ify", but I was checking it everyday. What can I say? I slipped up. You snooze you lose, and Mon. morning I was sure was snoozing. Damnit why doesn't our car have a chime atleast?

[shane02pro5]

It can happen to the best of us. I am the same as you especially since the Hiboost Turbo went in. I have taken at least a quick look every day for the past 1-1/2 years. I guess it's an obsession. I literally couldn't sleep when she was down for a week when I was swapping out trannies.
Stuck in a Chevy Aveo rental car (the torture was horrid) for a week. (ghey)


Update, I'm buying a used motor. 50k for $800, $650 for the install. As for me being a dumbass, yes I did drop the ball on this one. Im the one who always takes the extra effort to take care of the car. I park far away from anyone, keep tabs on everything, drive it easy. Basically I baby the shit out of this car. Yes this hose was a little "ify", but I was checking it everyday. What can I say? I slipped up. You snooze you lose, and Mon. morning I was sure was snoozing. Damnit why doesn't our car have a chime atleast?

[PR54LIFE]

motor purchased.

[shane02pro5]

Keep us informed and Good Luck!

[GNO]

Good choice and good luck!!!

[PR54LIFE]

Shane02PRO5: A-1 imports is who I went through, I just noticed you had it listed

[shane02pro5]

They had the 22k 03 Tranny and they have the online look-up feature.

Transmission $509 Shipped 3 Days (to pull it off)
Power Steering Pump $52 Shipped 1 Day
A/C Control Unit $42 Shipped 1 Day


Shane02PRO5: A-1 imports is who I went through, I just noticed you had it listed

[PR54LIFE]

Motor swapped. Back on the road as of yesterday.

[shane02pro5]

Sweet, feels good right?? Rental cars suck!!


Motor swapped. Back on the road as of yesterday.

[tallrd]

you did a full swap and were back on the roads in 9 days?! wow. That seems impressive from the time of your first post.

[PR54LIFE]

I had to get on it, what can I say? It's my daily driver so I had to make things happen. I won't pick it up until tommorrow, I'm out of town for work

[Dimitrios]

Don't be a dick you bitchass punk. I hate shitheads like you. One I know the guy and two very dark window tint so no he couldnt see the smoke three the smell didn't hit until he found out something was wrong.
Buy the time he pulled over it was to late. ASSHAT!
........................
See thats the kind of help people look for on a forum, not some sarcastic shithead remarks.

BITCHES! (alright)

Chill?

[Hughes412]

Chill?


Dude thats old and was half as just being mean for the hell of it. Part true other part not. It's all good.

[Protege2K]

I had to get on it, what can I say? It's my daily driver so I had to make things happen.
I know that feeling. When I popped my motor I blew it on a Thursday and was driving the car to work on Saturday. 16 hours for the motor to arrive and 6 to swap it in.

[wicked]

mines been down for 4 months,and will be up as soon as MAZDA gets a hose I need to me.

[PR54LIFE]

New motor is running good so far. Here's the link for the original motor. Would like to get rid of the whole thing, but will part out if no one steps up http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1892134#post1892134