My Turbo 3 Dyno 245whp and 258tq 8psi

[KING13]

I will post the dyno sheet as soon as they email it to me.

I did the pulls at Peter Farrell Supercars.

[jersey_emt]

Sweet!!! Aweomse number

[Captain KRM P5]

what were your air fuel ratios? did they make any adjustments and/or corrections to the maps?

[mazpro]

that's great man, very nice numbers.

[LinuxRacr]

Holy shit, the potential with these 3's!

[Captain KRM P5]

Holy shit, the potential with these 3's!

no joke :)

[Badger Biker]

Time to start drooling people.

[FrigginGLI]

Wow thats like a 100% increase in WHP.

[tsunami]

(woowoo)

damn man, at 8 psi that is sweet... you have a limited slip? lightened fly? i bet you can't wait to get a 3inch exhaust to let that thang breath... keep us posted and way to go....

[azian6er]

fuck man. 12 psi would yield close to 300 whp if not more. Wonder what those 2.3s can hold.

-B

[Shane5425]

does the 2.3 have the weak ass rods like the 2.0? btw nice numbers..

[Sveivo]

Subscribing...

[yesiownaskyline]

(boobs) (killit) (spank) (butthump) (bj) (boobs2) (upbum) (hitit2)

yep.

[orlandomsp]

does the 2.3 have the weak ass rods like the 2.0? btw nice numbers..


No, they can take much more power than the FS-DE's rods.

[Shane5425]

thats good..

[Gambino]

fuck man. 12 psi would yield close to 300 whp if not more. Wonder what those 2.3s can hold.

-B

actually at 10 psi I believe Juan had 309 whp with 3 inch exhaust. and i believe i read somewhere that 12 psi was 346 whp

[ZoomVT]

damn thats a ton of power.
you will eat pieces of sti for breakfast.

[Shane5425]

how much does the 3 weigh compaired to the protege?

[Captain KRM P5]

how much does the 3 weigh compaired to the protege?

~300 lbs more than a protege

it is very important to know what the air/fuel ratios were for this dyno and if any adjustments were made to the map. tom, do you have that information?

[Gambino]

tom i am so jealous

[KING13]

~300 lbs more than a protege

it is very important to know what the air/fuel ratios were for this dyno and if any adjustments were made to the map. tom, do you have that information?
No major adjustments, only tweeked it around 5k to try to squeeze some more power out of it. Juan set a very good base map.

[mp5smuggler]

damn i cant wait to see it man.
im a tad jealous but i think ill be up there when i do my MPI though.

[Captain KRM P5]

No major adjustments, only tweeked it around 5k to try to squeeze some more power out of it. Juan set a very good base map.

really? even with all the problems you had detailed to me over the phone? what do you think caused those issues? how does the car drive now?

[Protege52003]

....will be nice when the get the Mazdaspeed 3 out next year????
Those are some sweet numbers.....

[Familia323]

nice

[KING13]

really? even with all the problems you had detailed to me over the phone? what do you think caused those issues? how does the car drive now?
It was a very simple fuel cut off problem. The boost would surge when it got a good run, and get a tad into the fuel cut off range. Car runs like a dream now.

[dukefanmaz3]

im goin g turbo soon also i have a maz3 wanna know if u upgraded clutch? and what else u upgraded from stock? i like those numbers on 8psi nice job

[Gambino]

king has a spec stage 3 clutch. I know for sure he has draxas exhaust. Also I talked to Juan from hiboost and he is still running the stock clutch. He also said the car has taken a lot of abuse (run from 7-14 psi, 12.9 sec 1/4 mile at 12 psi, and I have heard something around 370 whp at 14 psi) and the stock clutch is holding strong

[Captain KRM P5]

It was a very simple fuel cut off problem. The boost would surge when it got a good run, and get a tad into the fuel cut off range. Car runs like a dream now.

fuel cut off eh? thats not good, glad you fixed that. could have meant some serious harm.

speaking of clutches, i have a brand new one from mazdaspeed i am looking at right now....

[Shane5425]

king has a spec stage 3 clutch. I know for sure he has draxas exhaust. Also I talked to Juan from hiboost and he is still running the stock clutch. He also said the car has taken a lot of abuse (run from 7-14 psi, 12.9 sec 1/4 mile at 12 psi, and I have heard something around 370 whp at 14 psi) and the stock clutch is holding strong

yeah, but juan knows how to drive, lol, put an idiot in there and see how long a stock clutch will last..

[Gambino]

yeah, but juan knows how to drive, lol, put an idiot in there and see how long a stock clutch will last..

VERY true

[HiBoost TS]

~300 lbs more than a protege

it is very important to know what the air/fuel ratios were for this dyno and if any adjustments were made to the map. tom, do you have that information?

FYI, Tom told me that at the dyno, the A/F was pretty good. 12.0 to 12.3 thru all the boost range. They had to do a little adjustment to the 5000 rpm range (just minor) to get a little more HP. The issue with his motor at 5500 rpm was inteded. We set up a boost limiter at 9 psi. If the engines boosts 9 psi the Haltech will cut the fuel 100%. That does not harm the engine at all. It works just like the RPM limiter. Maybe his motor is making a boost peak to 9 psi and that it what caused his issue. That was solved when they raised the limiter to 10 psi. This is a very good safety option.
All kits will come pre set at this level to prevent any blown motors and will only be raised when using race fuel and forged internals for above 12 psi of boost.

Juan

[Captain KRM P5]

good to know. juan did you get my fax?

[acidbbg]

Nice numbers..i wanna see a dyno sheet!

Also..how stable do you think the mazda3 is with that kind of hp?

chas

[rbmazda3]

What about tourque steer? Without a LSD it seems like that would be an issue.

[Gambino]

Quaife does have an lsd. its on corksport.com

[goldwing2000]

Wow... $1,600 for a diff? (wow)

[Gambino]

yeah....its pretty steep, but it makes life nice......

[goldwing2000]

For that much money I can get two complete axles, wheel to wheel, for my Blazer!

I hope somebody else comes out with something soon. (eek2)

[briand805]

Nice numbers..i wanna see a dyno sheet!

Also..how stable do you think the mazda3 is with that kind of hp?

chas


http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b349/13KING/run222.jpg

[rbmazda3]

I'm totally impressed with those numbers! Beef up the bottom end of the motor and WOW...the potential is incredible.

[acidbbg]

Any reason why the power drops off so quickly at 5k? maybe pulling to much timing?

chas

[Captain KRM P5]

Any reason why the power drops off so quickly at 5k? maybe pulling to much timing?

chas

Perhaps the variable valve timing...

[acidbbg]

Air/Fuel ratios take a dump too and start running richer, which is more safe if anything. Id shoot for the 11:1 mark instead of the 12:1. Running rich is alot better than running lean. But then again, my a/f ratio is 9:1 cause I got huge injectors (682cc) but no upgraded turbo (2thumbs)

dude your engine is gonna tank if you keep those kind of a/f's..

chas

[tsunami]

i believe he had problems with a cut off at 5k, this run could be before the issue was taken care of by adjusting the haltech to not cut off until 10psi instead of 9, as he was pulling 9 psi at 5k.... anyways its a nice curve until 5k then it looks like shiat... i hope this is the issue...

[dukefanmaz3]

what do u mean cutoff? and can i do 6psi on stock ecu?

[Captain KRM P5]

it is important to note he is not adjusting any timing with the F10X on the hiboost kit. the F10X is good for fuel control only. the stock ecu is still making all timing corrections. i have spoken with others well versed in the 3's engine and they feel the sudden drop has to do with the VVT

[dukefanmaz3]

ok ur talking to someone who has no clue what ur saying, is stock ecu fine with getting another computer, i wanna do 6psi on stock ecu is that ok or no?

[ebmp5]

no joke :)
ok i getting a 3 lol kidding

[Captain KRM P5]

ok ur talking to someone who has no clue what ur saying, is stock ecu fine with getting another computer, i wanna do 6psi on stock ecu is that ok or no?

the stok ecu is not fine with any level of boost. as soon as you go above zero vacuum / 1+ psi the stock computer will not be programmed to add fuel or adjust timing for the extra air being forced into it by the turbo. you will run lean, have detonation and destroy the engine. for example, the protege ecu and mazdaspeed protege ecu are different because mazda programmed the MSP ecu for a turbo setup.

to run lower boost you will need a piggyback computer that can add fuel like the Haltech F10x does with the hiboost kit or you will need a mechanical solution like a fuel pressure regulator to add fuel so your engine does not run lean.

to run higher boost you will need a piggyback or standalone computer that controls not only fuel, but controls the ignition/spark timing like a Haltech E6X. Defintions in brief;

piggyback - works with the stock computer, assumes control of some things lets the stock ecu handle the rest

standalone - completely replaces the stock computer

fuel pressure regulator - a vacuum/boost controlled valve that raises your fuel pressure/pulls in more fuel when the valve senses boost.

[dukefanmaz3]

ok how much is each of them/? and is piggy back ok to run 6psi on b safe?

[Captain KRM P5]

ok how much is each of them/? and is piggy back ok to run 6psi on b safe?

depends on the brand you go with, varies widely. The Haltech piggyback comes with the HiBoost kit.

[Brian MP5T]

Dude!

[dukefanmaz3]

i want cheap as i can get, im not buying the hiboost kit

[dukefanmaz3]

Dude!
dude what?!?!?!?!?! (poke)

[Captain KRM P5]

i want cheap as i can get

this is not the best attitude to take when turbocharging your car. thats my opinion, take it however you feel like.

that said, the cheapest fuel control while still remaining safe can be had by ordering one of these :: http://www.mazda3online.com/product_info.php?cPath=136_27_99&products_id=349

what components are you going to use for your turbo kit

[dukefanmaz3]

umm do i need injectors? im anly going to get a t28 for low boost i can get a custom manifold for 150

[Captain KRM P5]

umm do i need injectors? im anly going to get a t28 for low boost i can get a custom manifold for 150

what about the intercooler? your stock injectors are fine for lower boost.

[HiBoost TS]

what about the intercooler? your stock injectors are fine for lower boost.

The 3 is not very easy to make it work with the stock components. The injectors are very small and will not take even 3 psi of boost. They go to 100% daty cycle at 2 psi of boost and 4500 RPMs. Besides the fuel system is a returnless system so that makes it even more critical.

[dukefanmaz3]

what cc of injectors should i get? yes i have to get a front mount intercooler does size matter?

[HiBoost TS]

it is important to note he is not adjusting any timing with the F10X on the hiboost kit. the F10X is good for fuel control only. the stock ecu is still making all timing corrections. i have spoken with others well versed in the 3's engine and they feel the sudden drop has to do with the VVT

I don't think is has to do with the VVT as my power curve keeps going up all the time. I think it is either the engine pinging and the computer returning the timing or the MAF sensor hitting the limit.

All my pulls have shown a very stright curve in all Mazda6s and my Mazda3 even in the 346 WHP pull.

Juan

[HiBoost TS]

what cc of injectors should i get? yes i have to get a front mount intercooler does size matter?
At least 42lbs/hr but the best would be 50 lbs/hr. But then you need a fuel management system because it will not run when not on boost. For the intercooler, there is enough space in the front to use a large intercooler.

[Captain KRM P5]

The 3 is not very easy to make it work with the stock components. The injectors are very small and will not take even 3 psi of boost. They go to 100% daty cycle at 2 psi of boost and 4500 RPMs. Besides the fuel system is a returnless system so that makes it even more critical.

wow 2psi, thats awful, worse than the protege :(

[Captain KRM P5]

what cc of injectors should i get? yes i have to get a front mount intercooler does size matter?

core size is not the only qualifier to look at in terms of intercoolers. make sure to look at flow capacity, if it leaks at all, cooling capacity/heat dissapation as well.

[dukefanmaz3]

so turbo itself, intercooler, fuel managment, and injectors thats all i need?

[Captain KRM P5]

manifold, pipes, clamps, etc

[Gambino]

not trying to be rude, but it sounds like you should just buy a pre made kit and then pay someone to put it on

[briand805]

not trying to be rude, but it sounds like you should just buy a pre made kit and then pay someone to put it on

I have to agree here. Being innovative and doing work yourself is great but the highly technical installation and tuning required in order to install a turbo system is not something a novice can do. That being said... See you Friday Juan. (dance)

[dukefanmaz3]

i am buyin a pre-made kit kinda i already have a guy making me a custom manifold, im buyin the turbo he can make it happen i just wanted to kno what else i need to b safe but still run most stock components

[cars]

The 3 is not very easy to make it work with the stock components. The injectors are very small and will not take even 3 psi of boost. They go to 100% daty cycle at 2 psi of boost and 4500 RPMs. Besides the fuel system is a returnless system so that makes it even more critical.

Is that why a manifold is part of the hiboost kit? I didn't know that.

Q: with the hiboost kit.. will the car still pass the yearly emissions tests that many states require? (Massachusetts in particular ;)

[MrTea]

Is that why a manifold is part of the hiboost kit? I didn't know that.

Q: with the hiboost kit.. will the car still pass the yearly emissions tests that many states require? (Massachusetts in particular ;)


I think it was said that it SHOULD be able to pass the sniffer test, but visual is another story. i don't know how Mass. works, but in no way will it pass in Cali!

[goldwing2000]

You'd probably be better off asking that question in the MSP or RX-7 areas.

There are only two or three people here that have turbos on a Mazda3.

[low_psi]

there is a MSP running WI, WesmanII or something is his screenname here. my buddy is putting WI on his DSM cause he's still on the stock sidemount. BUT, IMO water injection should be used after you've reached the maximum efficiency of a good IC. While WI is cheaper, an air-to-air IC is a much better option for most people who are new to turbocharging.

[Threedog]

I don't know where to throw this in so I'l just say it. I'm a little pissed that when they finally come out with the awd version, it will use a 2.0ltr instead of a 2.3ltr. Cause then there will be either get a 2.3 and turbo it for more power on a fwd or, less power on 2.0 and awd. I think I'm going to get the mazdaspeed3 when it comes out and replace the 2.0 trbo with 2.3 trbo. I think that would be the ultimate. We'd be able to compete with Evos and WRX STis!

[vindication]

dude, the MS3 is not going to be AWD and it's going to have the 2.3L also I believe

[dukefanmaz3]

no its gonna be fwd yes, but it gonna b in the hatch back but with the 2.0l just a lil fyi (thumb)

[vindication]

so it is the 2.0L, hmmm I remember them saying something about it being the 2.3L, but I haven't been keeping an eye on it as I used to back in the day

[dukefanmaz3]

yes sir the 2.0l, they around 254 bhp with a hood scoop they tested it at nurburing hope its the shyt (thumb)

[HiBoost TS]

The 2.0 is a more turbo friendly motor than the 2.3. The 2.3 has more torque, but the 2.0 will boost more at the same compression ratio without sacrifying power.

[nate0123]

The 2.0 is a more turbo friendly motor than the 2.3. The 2.3 has more torque, but the 2.0 will boost more at the same compression ratio without sacrifying power.O RLY?

your site says the kit is for the Mazda 3s - does the same kit fit the 3i 2.0 sedan?

[Gambino]

The 2.0 is a more turbo friendly motor than the 2.3. The 2.3 has more torque, but the 2.0 will boost more at the same compression ratio without sacrifying power.
do you think this has anything to do with the vvt in the 2.3?

[hyck]

doesn't the 2006 3i come with a vvt ?

[nate0123]

yes

[vindication]

I beleive so.

[FSRbikr98]

that dyno looks awesome, maybe a tad bit lean, but thats always the choice of the car owner and tuner, who am i to judge? The torque curve on that is something else, once more turbo'ed 3's start hitting the streets, they might be giving our neons some competition. (glare)

[glitch32]

sub :+)

[HiBoost TS]

O RLY?

your site says the kit is for the Mazda 3s - does the same kit fit the 3i 2.0 sedan?

The kit is a bit diffrent for both engines. There is a slight change in some piping and the mapping in the Haltech is different. Other than that, everything is the same.

Juan

[illusis]

whats 245whp in reg hp??? always confuses me...sorry for the ignorance

[JOS3]

who cares how much it is at the crank, whp is what matters.

[illusis]

who cares how much it is at the crank, whp is what matters.

i just dont know what that means thats why, i can understand crank and how that works with the weight and what not but wheels i dont know how that works

[DE31]

at the wheels is the power that actually reaches the ground at the crank the power still has to go through the drivetrain and such. i could be leaving something out though

[illusis]

thanks that helps a little

[doogie]

Wheel horsepower is the calculation of driveline loss. Example the whp is 245 so the loss is between 10-15% so let us use say 12.5% avg. So that would make it a loss of 30.6 whp. So the total of the engine crank hp would be an estimated 275 hp.

Foot note: for those who don’t know, some car magazine's (C&D, R&T, Automobile etc.) quote manufacture engine hp figures so as in the MZ3 2.3 the quoted engine hp in 160hp so if you put that car on say a Dynojet dynomometer, the figures will be about 140 whp using the 12.5% driveline loss.But these are pretty much estimates.

[zooomin]

doogie.. just a quick question..

what about bhp (brake horsepower)?

I realize the term was used back in the muscle car era and its rarely used now. What exactly is that a measure of? Is it what the engine is capable of putting out?

Anyway.. I could never wrap my head around the bhp thing.. everything else made sense except bhp

[doogie]

Here, this may help you understand the philosophy of Hp, BHP, WHP, Tq.


http://auto.howstuffworks.com/horsepower2.htm

[mikbimdre]

bhp = hp
whp is the amount of power that is giving to the wheels after the gearbox, drivetrain, etc