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10-05-2001, 12:32 AM

HEY OCEANPARK YOU WANNA TALK PERFORMANCE CHECK OUT PROTEGETECH.COM AND GO TO NEXT 5 SITES,CLICK IT AND GO DOWN TO (OFF THE LINE MOTORSPORTS) THEN YOU'LL SEE 323 FLASHING SAYING UPDATED THEN CLICK TO IT AND YOU'LL SE THE MODELS GO DOWN AND CLICK 626MPS.

................PERFORMANCE.................

THE 2003 MAZDA 626MPS FEATURES:
TWINTURBO/INTERCOOLED KL-ZE V-6 DOHC 24VALVE CYLINDER. 206KM/RPM 392NM/RPM (6500RPM) (4000RPM). AND I THINK IT'LL HAVE A BAD A** STEREO SYSTEM ALONG WITH A SILENCER EXHAUST. PRODUCTION RUN MID 2002 IN PROBABLY JUNE-AUGUST. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN AND YES THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE THE 2002&2003 MAZDA MP3'S THIS SUMMER OF 2002. THE 2003 HAS A REVISED PROGRAMMED ECU CHIP FOR THE BOOST GAUGE FOR THE TURBO AND SUPERCHARGER ALONG IF NOT TURBO (THAT'S THE RUMOR AROUND, THAT THEY'LL HAVE A TURBO/SUPERCHARGER. AND THE MP3 WILL RUN 210-214HP.

OceanPark

10-05-2001, 01:32 AM

SE-R Spec V runs less than 7sec? Whoever told you this is shitting you!
Did you see the "Nissan estimates " on the MOTORTREND.COM? Now go check out the http://www.se-r.net/
"Estimated 0 to 60 mph times are in the low 7.0-second range (SE-R Spec V)."
7.4 sec is fair enough.

If the 94 protégé LX (n/a) could goes faster than the Type-R. Then there must be something wrong with the Type-R driver. Either he doesn’t know how to drive standard, or his grandma stole his car.

What are you trying to proof here? I love Mazda! I am excited that they are going to boost up the MP3. But what does that do with the SE-R????

Anyways, thanks for letting me know the good news! Woohoo! 200hp MP3!
:eek:

Mark

10-05-2001, 01:47 AM

Tritonheat stop bashing oceanpark because the times he stated are correct. I have the latest issue of Car and Driver with that shootout in it. The MP3 might have been the slowest but it still won the test as being the best car :) Also that last post about a turbo/supercharger made no sense whatsoever.

OceanPark

10-05-2001, 02:01 AM

That's true! when it comes to the handling! MP3 rule! :D

10-06-2001, 01:00 AM

Hey i wanna stop this nonsense i'm not dissing u i'm letting u know that u r wrong again where does it say 7.4sec it sayS (ESTIMATED/ESTIMATED/ESTIMATED/ESTIMATED/)0-60 IN LOW 7.0SEC RANGE. NOW CHECK OUT MOTORTREND.COM IS SAYS THAT NISSAN SHOULD BE RUNNING 0-60 IN LESS THAN 7SEC. FORNUTALEY TUNNING THE SE-R SPEC/V, YES (MARK THEY R GONNA BE RUNNING SUPERCHARGER/OR TURBOCHARGER MP3'S AS THEY R SAYING TAKE A LOOK in 2000 they were suspecting to put a turbo in the impreza's did it happen (YES) it did. they were planning to put (MPS) MAZDA PERFORMANCE SERIES NAME AS ALL THE FETAURED MAZDA'S DID IT HAPPEN (YES) MP3 IS THE MPS THE 626 IS THE MPS. THE TIBURON IN 2000 DECIDED THAT THEY WANTED TO HAVE A TOP SELLING VECHICLE AS THE KOREAN'S MARKET SAID YES THE I-4CYCLNDER IS AVAILABLE AS LONG AS A V-6 DOHC 24VAVLE CYCLINDER IS AS A 5-SPEED TRANSMISSION OR 6-SPEED TRANSMISSION THAT THEY WERE PLANNING IN 2000 DID IT HAPPEN (YES) AND YOUR TRYING TO TELL ME I DON'T KNOW MY SH**. WELL SORRY I DO. AND YES THE INTEGRA TYPE R MIGHT SOUND RIDICULOUS BUT MY 94 PROTEGE LX IS NOT I LISTED ALL MY MODIFICATIONS UNDER RSX TYPE-S, AND MY CAR IS LIGHTER 300LBS AS THE VTEC TYPE R.

JUST BECAUSE IT'S 195HP TYPE R DOESN'T MEAN IT DOES 1-8500RPM VALVE TIMING ELECTRONIC CONTROL SORRY (VTEC)KICKS IN 6000RPMS TO REDLINE.

10-06-2001, 01:07 AM

SORRY THE V-6 TIBURON IS A 2003 COMING OUT IN THE BEGINNING OF 2002
THE MP3 & 626MPS IS A 2003 PRODUCTION AS OF IT COMING OUT IN 2002 MID COMING SUMMER.

Antoine

10-06-2001, 01:39 AM

Calm down everyone....chill out...sheesh...I know these sort of topics can generate a lot of response...get your facts straight and chill out. :cool:

OpusX

10-06-2001, 01:50 AM

Go bench racer go!

OceanPark

10-06-2001, 03:56 AM

Not to dissing you again, just want to let you know. The SE-R Spec V that was tested by MOTORTREND.COM is a prototype Sentra. Which is 180hp, but the production sentra is now down to 175hp. I bet it won't run anywhere below 7sec. The car weight 2743lbs, and that's heavy! Now let's forget about the Sentra, and the fact that Sentra is faster than MP3. :(

Once again, I would be happy if Mazda are making more MPS cars. Let's stop argue about the MPS issue. We'll see, and I hope you are right.

If that guy who drove the Type-R didn't went into 6000rpm or higher, or unable to keep his car at a high rpm level, that mean he is another no skill driver.....else... V-Tech kicks in... bye bye protege....

10-07-2001, 12:37 AM

see oceanpark u said it the se-r is heavy which is keeping it to do 0-60 in less than 7.0 sec with the production that changed the hp to 175hp.
Now let me tell u my 94 protege lx is not stock and it's not 2743lbs/or 2639lbs it's 2359pounds, and it's lighter than the type r just becuase your car has a 180++280horsepower engine doesn't mean it's gonna win it has so many horses to carry the power that the weight it has.

(OH BYE THE WAY GO TO PROTEGETECH.COM AND CHECK IT OUT IT SAYS 2002/2003 WILL RETURN AND WILL GO HEAD TO HEAD COMPETITION AGAINS'T THE 2002 SENTRA SE-R WITH REVISIONS DONE TO THE MP3(MPS) IN MID 2002.

AND MY CAR IS NOT STOCK IF U WANNA KNOW WHAT MY CAR HAS CHECK OUT THE TOPIC RSX TYPE-S.I HAVE EVERYTHING LISTED.
ALSO GOT IN TO A RACE THIS AFTERNOON WITH A JEEP GRAND CHEROOKEE. GO TO YAHOO IN THE BOX CLICK JEEP AND CHECK THE SPECS I RACED A 2OOO OR 2001 CHEROOKEE AND IT SAID IT DID 0-60 IN 7.7SEC/7.2SEC/6.8SEC. 1/4MILE 15.6/15.6/16.1. THAT SHOULD LET U KNOW WHAT MY 94 PROTEGE LX DOES 0-60 AND HE TOPPED OUT AT EITHER 100-107MPH AND YES HE WAS ON MY ASS TILL I GOT TO 110MPH AND JUST WENT TO 125MPH.

OceanPark

10-07-2001, 03:43 AM

Guess what dude? The Type-R only weight 2595lbs, which is only 236 lbs heavier than your 94 protege. Also, I am pretty sure your mods will add some extra weight onto your baby. Do your math.....

GRAND CHEROOKEE? V8 vs L4? hmm.....

<GLOBE>

10-07-2001, 04:00 AM

TRITONHEAT1

Seems like your car is extremely fast, you on any of the car magazine front page? When are you planning to beat a M3 or a M-Z3? Seems like you are able to tune your car into a porsch pretty soon!..

Your shitbox beating a Type R...give me a break... somethign wrong with your head?

StuttersC

10-07-2001, 05:13 AM

Just becuase a web-site says there might be a 2002/2003 MP3 doesn't mean there will be.

I think the old phrase, "I'll believe it when I see it." applies to this one.
Relax a little...

10-07-2001, 04:16 PM

Is something wrong with me please all u wannanbe mp3's think u know shit when u don't know anything i guess u don't know how to race or never beaten anybody or maybe a (BENCH-RACER)WANNABE. And for the comment that if my car is in a Magazine (NO AND SOMETHING's WRONG WITH MY HEAD LOL)first of all MAZDA'S AINT POPULAR IN THE UNITED STATES AS HONDA MOTOR CO. IS U DIPSHIT (DUHH)AND HONDA'S ACURA'S ARE HONDA MOTOR CO. (DUHH)WHAT IS THE #1 STOLEN CAR HERE IN AMERICA IF U CANT FUCKIN FIGURE IT OUT THEN I GUESS U ATE YOUR OWN SHIT. HONDA,ACURA,HONDA,ACURA(DUHH) SO WHY IS MY CAR GONNA BE IN A FUCKIN MAGAZINE LIKE THE TYPER INTEG AND THE CIVIC TYPE R IT'S AMERICA'S FAVORITE SELLING CAR. U KNOW WHAT JAPAN'S FAVORITE SELLING CAR IS, (I DO) U KNOW MUCH ABOUT CAR'S FUCKIN TELL ME THEN. LOL YOU DIPSHIT'S PROBABLY DON'T EVEN KNOW.

10-07-2001, 04:28 PM

(LOL)LOL(LOL)LOL 2595LBS INTEGRA TYPE R EDMUNDS.COM/AUTOTRADER.COM/MSNCAR REVIEW/AND YAHOO TELLS U IT WEIGHS 2639LBS EVEN IF IT DOES IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE THOUGH.

<GLOBE>

10-07-2001, 05:15 PM

Tritonheat, what the fuck are you saying man? you got fucked in the head?

Whatever dude, you are the best driver for that shitbox, you happy now?

<GLOBE>

10-07-2001, 05:18 PM

You damn right, you car is a shitbox ain't going on any magazine front page even if you have beaten a type R. .

OceanPark

10-07-2001, 06:25 PM

Mr Tritonheat1:

I am neither racer nor ricer. I like to drive, and I just like cars. Also, please stop emphasize that you know so much about racing. Do you have a racing license? Or you have a street legal Ricer license?

Honda isn’t popular in Japan. True, guess why? Because Japanese don't like front wheel drive, if you open up the option magazine from Japan, you would find more skyline than civic (EK9).
If you think you know Japan well. Then please do some more reading. The Type-R is rank as the best Front wheel Drive by Japan "best motoring"! 195HP is nothing in Japan, but it does mean something when it up against our protégé. Let me tell you something dude. Japanese don’t mod their car for drag race, if you like to run straight, please don’t tell any people from Japan, the probably will laugh your ass off. Mr Ricer..

[ 10-07-2001: Message edited by: OceanPark ]

OceanPark

10-07-2001, 06:31 PM

By the way. Who made the TypeR? EDMUNDS.COM/AUTOTRADER.COM/MSNCAR REVIEW/ or YAHOO????? This is the spec on 1997 TypeR. http://www.vtec.net/integra/typer/5.html

2600lbs! :D

10-07-2001, 06:39 PM

to u mr OCEANPARK:

i'M not a ricer or pocket rocket burner:
in japan the skyline or civic isn't the number one selling car or best looks. Its the suzuki (boy) as of japanese like their speed in deed in japan there's so much traffic they don't care about low speeds they drive with intensity (which u probably didn't know)and they love the suzuki's it's the numberone selling car in japan, but in America rice burners like there honda motor co. engines according to honda/acura. u go to japan and ask what's the #1 selling car and if u say nissan skyline or honda civic don't identify yourself in public, they'll think your stupid for asking that and if u haven't asked what number u were out of 1500 mp3's call and asked any dealer company and they'll tell you (suzuki/suzuki/suzuki/suzuki) is the top selling car and favorism in Japan.

<GLOBE>

10-07-2001, 06:39 PM

Most popular car maker in Japan is Toyota not Honda. (what a dumbass)

I drive a GS400 myself, so am i a MP3 wannabe? i dont know, you tell me.
:D

10-07-2001, 06:41 PM

the integra type r is from takasu,japan.

Antoine

10-07-2001, 06:43 PM

<Tritonheat1> you better calm down and stop with the crude language. Stop using CAPS and chill out!

OceanPark

10-07-2001, 06:49 PM

Oh my God. Did I say the most popular in Japan is the skyline or civic?? I found pretty much Echo on the street too, but doesn't mean it is fast? NO! best selling doesn't mean SXXX! suzuki? Nissan is the biggest car company in Japan. Please.....

OceanPark

10-07-2001, 06:57 PM

The SPEC I stated is the US 1997 Acura Integra TypeR! there is no ACURA in Japan!

10-07-2001, 07:01 PM

Yes best selling means alot it has to represent the reputation towards customers at any car dealer that's why they only made 1500 mp3's they didn't know if mazda was gonna sell as honda/acura does in america they can't make money buy not selling a vechicle but i guess not that they are going to make (rumors limited mp3's/mps to around 3500-4000 runs. ok it's just a solution: listen a mlb/nfl/nba player always has to have respect or have skill to show their good or nice towards other's as well as we do to other's, well if not do you think that a person will ever respect u or your aspects like selling a vehicle car salesman, your sitting there giving a the guy a attitude do u think he's gonna have thought's about buying your car (I don't Think so). So yes having the top selling or whatever has to mean a lot to represent there reputation. well as your saying then acura ain't nothing.

gonzoATX

10-07-2001, 07:07 PM

all you dum $%^& still havent answered my question... what is the time for the mp3 from 0-60 on an average and then sooped up??? :mad:

OceanPark

10-07-2001, 07:14 PM

Hey, seem like you are getting out of the topic. If you can't think of something better. Admit that you are wrong.

The number of sell is depend on the market demand. Of course there is more demand on family car than sport car. Please stop making stupid comparision.

The GM is the biggest car company in the world. Does that mean they made better quality car than Japanese? I don't think so.

10-07-2001, 07:17 PM

Sorry mr gonzoATX i don't know what the performance times from 0-60 from myself but if i do i'll let you know. But car and driver tested the mp3 0-60 it says 8.2sec that's pretty well tested for only having 300miles on the odometor.

10-07-2001, 07:20 PM

your getting outta line i didn't say biggest car company i said top selling car in japan was Suzuki and in America is Honda/and Acura.

OceanPark

10-07-2001, 07:23 PM

Oh my God.... there is no Acura in Japan because the Interga is name after Honda....

Seem like you really know alot about Japan. :o

10-07-2001, 07:34 PM

where did i say acura was in japan i said suzuki's in japan they only have honda integra type r/honda civic type r/honda accord type r/honda s2000/and honda prelude sh. but suzuki's are the #1 selling car best bang for the buck as we say in america.

Karl Marx

10-07-2001, 07:35 PM

Gonzo: 8.3 ? what do you want more. Sports Compact Car also timed the MP3 at 8.3 ( with a brand new car ). So broken car could maybe be a bit faster... altough they probably took the best run for the 0-60 times.

And as for you Tritonheat1 you don't have an inch of credibility to my eyes.... You look like a little kid that likes posting nonsense talking shit everywhere. You can't even formulate 1 SINGLE comment without insulting someone. So PLEASE spare us your comments if you are not mature enough..

The single fact that you insulted OceanPark when the TIMES he stated where from a magazine proves it.

My Mazda 323 92 would beat an Integra SE with a Type-R badge too you know.... But who's the biggest loser, the one who drives a SE with a Type-R badge, or the one who thinks he's beaten a TypeR because his driving skills outmatch any huge HP difference? Tough one..

10-07-2001, 07:44 PM

speaking for as being a little kid shut your ass excuse my french but 97% of company made sure that the mp3's were gonna be picked up by 16-24 year old student's that like car's that are sport oriented. so looks like someone is a (hypacrit).

OceanPark

10-07-2001, 08:02 PM

The MP3 is aimed for the sport compact car market. Where is the 97% data came from?? :confused:

Stop being childish please. There must be a reason why everyone is firing at you.

<GLOBE>

10-08-2001, 01:27 AM

Tritonheat

Just want to get a clearer picture of this targeted group. so They won't sell the car to anyone who is above 24 or who is not sport oriented? WOW that's freaking smart, that's prejudice!!! That's a fucking violation of the law!!!! great!!! you are so smart tritonheat.
:eek:

MP3Ben

10-08-2001, 04:33 AM

Well, actually my info from the dealer was that they were aiming for 70% of the market of the MP3 to be male and 30% female. Demographics wise, it was more like the ages of 21-30, with an annual income of 35,000 + (I'm talking in Canadian dollars). Also, they were looking at people with an average education level of College/University, post-graduates, and also young professionals. Whether or not this has proven to be true I dunno, but that was their aim, so the dealership tells me. Just telling it straight from my sources. True or not? Up to you.

As for the whole Type R race thing...here's my results from personal experience:

I took on my buddy's Honda Civic Si-R (160 hp DOHC Vtec), and even he smoked me. I'm no race driver and I'm not bragging to be. I'm also not a shitty driver: I used to hold my own in autocrosses in my Probe GT, so at minimum you can say my driving skills are at least average. My Si-R friend is even less of a racer than I am.

Details: I raced him up to fourth gear from a dead stop on the highway. First gear I kept up, but in second he had half a car length's edge on my till his Vtec kicked in, then it was almost 1.5 lengths. In third, at high rev nearing the shift to fourth (again that nutty Vtec) he pulled to about 3 lengths ahead. This was pretty much the case until we hit the end of fourth gear and slowed.

This was the result from discussing with him after the race, comparing the findings. I drive a stock MP3 (K&N replacement filter only, so far).

Now, how on earth you beat a Type-R I dunno. Yeah your LX is a couple hundred pounds lighter, and I think it does make a difference, but actually beating a 195hp VTEC? I lost to a Civic Si-R with comparable weights and only 20 horses more than me. Once the VTEC kicks in, it's bye bye! I think it's possible for us to keep up before VTEC, but once it kicks in each gear, it pulls a little further away each time.

As for the mods making up the difference: what is the stock power of the 94 LX? I won't even look...how 'bout 130hp max, just like the current ES? Add 30 hp or so for the mods maybe? That brings it up to 160. That's already being generous. Changing both cams, pistons, and headers will only take the MP3 up 30 horses, and you didn't note anything that drastic in your mod list. So, a 160 hp LX beating a 195 hp VTEC? Doubt it, unless the VTEC driver was pretty bad. You're lighter, but VTEC is something us lower revving cars cannot beat so easily. Even if both the LX and the Type R had the same power, you would most likely lose to the VTEC.

As for weight reduction, I have some findings too (they're definitely not conclusive, but this is a ballpark figure): based on some dynoing with and without weights added to my MP3, 50 lbs additional weight is like a 1.7 hp decrease in power at the wheels. 300 lbs works out to be somewhere in the range of 10.2 hp? Factor in driveline losses of 15% the lighter car 'behaves' like you have approx 12 hp more at the crank? So a 300 lb lighter car in a race has in effect 12 hp extra during acceleration. Remember, I'm not saying weight reduction INCREASES power, but its behaviour is LIKE an increase in power, calculated to the above amount in my experimenting.

You can all put it together yourself. Eliminating the weight difference by adding in the calculated weight vs. power difference: 130+30+12 = 172 and no VTEC. Versus 195 hp with VTEC? Hmmm

Of course the results aren't exact, there are tons of other conditions involved in a race, but you may start to get the picture now. ;)

enry

10-08-2001, 10:30 AM

ok see now this is a better flamewar. but I'm still going to ban his ass for using caps if he doesn't stop

OceanPark

10-08-2001, 01:37 PM

MP3Ben: This is what I am trying to point up after so many posts. Thanks for the well input.

By the way, the stock 94 LX is 125hp.

manuel

10-09-2001, 01:51 AM

hey this is good, finally some REAL education from an argument :) neat stuff :D

10-09-2001, 03:11 AM

There seems to be alot of confusion about the cars posted previously, like 0-60 times. As the first guy posted the times he listed are directly from Car & Drive Novemer 2001 issue.
Car 0-30 0-60 0-100 1/4 mile
Neon R/T 2.5 7.6 23.2 16.1 @ 87 MPH
MP3 2.6 8.3 25.3 16.5 @ 84 MPH
Sentra SE-R 2.8 7.4 20.1 15.7 @ 90 MPH
Ipmreza2.5RS 2.5 7.8 24.4 16.1 @ 85 MPH
JettaGLS1.8T 2.6 7.2 20.7 15.7 @ 89 MPH

Basicly what this means? We with the MP3's need to keep our A** racing around corners. None of these cars can touch our suspension. Atleast we should stay there until we mod out our stuff to beat the pathetic engine. I love my car don't get me wrong. I just remember if I wanna race some one I go get my Camaro to deal with the speed and keep my MP3 for the FUN and sound and FUN and looks and did I mention FUN.

Hope that clears up the confusion with the other cars 0-60 times.

Latrz
Nipples

MP3Ben

10-09-2001, 04:32 AM

Nipples, I couldn't agree with you more. It's all about power, speed, and sound, but most importantly it's about FUN! I believe that's a big reason we all drive what we do. Or else why not pick a different car, without the goodies, with a lower price, and is available on every street? :p

Hehe and FUN is also why I do all the experimenting I do, as per the above dynoing and racing stuff I mentioned! Numbers on paper are all well and good, but when we're booting around in our little MP3's, does it really make that big of a difference? It's certainly not going to ruin my day by losing to an Si-R, or even any of the other cars listed above. (Losing to a Tercel or Echo MIGHT, though!) :eek:

At least some people on this board have their heads on straight! :)

10-11-2001, 01:59 PM

Thanks for the 0-60 times but i'm kindda confuse, cause other sites i go to it has different performance times. But u maybe right or the site i went to maybe wrong. who cares,i love my #1 girl/she loves to ride/ and never Complains (MP3). And actually a Echo is pretty peppy for a 105hp engine with vvt-i. Not all fast but Peppy.

LT1 Power

10-11-2001, 02:11 PM

0-60 times vary with the driver and conditions. You cannot expect to have the same exact times on every test. Some magazines will be more aggressive on the launch than others some test autos and some test standards. I think it is kinds futile when arguing between a 7.7 and a 7.9 0-60 time. They are both pretty dam slow. Go buy a real car if you are concerned with performance. How bout a Z28 that has a 0-60 of 5.2 and a ¼ mile time of 13.7.. Some slight mods and you are under 5 seconds and in the 12’s. It is funny to read about you guys and gals talk about a CAI for a 125hp car. It will do nothing and is not worth the money.

10-11-2001, 03:06 PM

Actully some performance times 0-60 will be different. Then there for, ther's no need to say this is blah blah blah 0-60 cause it depends on the road condition/the weather/the driver/and if the car is broken in or not. And a v-8 z28 camaro 300hp engine will not be as fun as my mp3 it'll just be faster and the camaro will fall apart not known as to last reliable as japanese engine's. I would like to keep my money and just spend it to soup it up and have a smile on my face when a camaro or mustang rolls up and laughs but doesn't know that i swap my engine with a bpt enginge or a ecu upgraded chip with a vortec supercharger and beat him to the next stoplight and saved a few grand than rather spending 28+++ thousand or bmw with a v-8 or I-6 engine.

LT1 Power

10-11-2001, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by <Tritonheat1>:
have a smile on my face when a camaro or mustang rolls up and laughs but doesn't know that i swap my engine with a bpt enginge or a ecu upgraded chip with a vortec supercharger and beat him to the next stoplight 

There is no freaking way you are going to ever do that. Keep on dreaming.

MP3Ben

10-11-2001, 05:57 PM

Supercars are in their own class...sure, some guy in a Camaro can smoke any of us in our MP3. Sure, he's probably laughing all the way home as we watch his taillights. And sure, he's having fun too.

That doesn't mean we don't have fun ripping corners in our little beasts (and probably as well or better than most stock 'supercars') , and that also doesn't mean our car is not a 'real' car. It's not a really fast car with some American monster engine, but you're comparing apples to oranges. here. :p

As for mods; some make a diff, others don't. What's worth it? That's up to the owner to decide dude. Why do zillions of people go and mod their Honda Civics or Acura Integras? Why do magazines like Sport Compact Car exist (yeah I know the argument about demand causing supply here)? Why do dynos and timeslips show gains? Your Camaro might get 20 hp from a filter while we might get only 3, but I wouldn't call it useless or a joke! You hang with your own class, and we'll hang with ours.

Jusr my $0.02. :D

StuttersC

10-11-2001, 06:19 PM

Don't forget the hp/weight ratio. We might not make big gains with after-market toys, but we also don't need as big of a gain to get better results. A car that weighs 2725 lbs. shows better results from 10 hp than a 3306 lb Z28. The Camaro needs that motor just to get all that weight up to speed.

Physics, what a wonderful thing

LT1 Power

10-11-2001, 06:30 PM

Since you want to talk physics I will school ya. I will use your numbers of weight on a Camaro and an MP3 of 3306 and 2725 respectively. HP is about 300 on a Camaro and about 100 on an MP3.

The Pounds to HP ratio on a Camaro is 10.
The pounds to HP ratio on an MP3 are 27.25.
That is how many pounds there are to one HP

Do you have any idea what you would have to do to that MP3 to even get close? Doubling the HP would not even get you there.

The Camaro is not heavy the MP3 just does not have much.

StuttersC

10-11-2001, 06:53 PM

Well, seeing as your under-rating the MP3 your numbers are off. But no biggy.

The MP3 has 140, and the Z28 is 305...That makes for 19.464 (MP3) and about 10.839. So let's say we put the FS-ZE motor in, easy swap. Makes about 180 stock. Then toss on the usual intake/exhaust stuff and we'll easily make about 200, almost 210.

That'll put us at about 13.625, using 200...Hmm, that's pretty damn close buddy. And no, you didn't school me, I knew the numbers before I posted..And, your missing my point again...

Oh, but wait, you said double...So if you add a decent turbo on that FS-ZE, 270 hp shouldn't be unatainable since people have done it to 3rd gen Protege's already. Hmm, 270 wheel hp and 2725 that makes for 10.09 or so, and that's right on par with the Camaro...And we still handle better than the Camaro...

[ 10-11-2001: Message edited by: ChrisS ]

Razhael

10-11-2001, 07:41 PM

LOL! this guy is still here???

come on, get a life! go ride yer chevy until it breaks down (around tomorrow probably )

LT1 Power

10-11-2001, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by ChrisS:
Well, seeing as your under-rating the MP3 your numbers are off. But no biggy.

The MP3 has 140, and the Z28 is 305...That makes for 19.464 (MP3) and about 10.839. So let's say we put the FS-ZE motor in, easy swap. Makes about 180 stock. Then toss on the usual intake/exhaust stuff and we'll easily make about 200, almost 210.

That'll put us at about 13.625, using 200...Hmm, that's pretty damn close buddy. And no, you didn't school me, I knew the numbers before I posted..And, your missing my point again...

Oh, but wait, you said double...So if you add a decent turbo on that FS-ZE, 270 hp shouldn't be unatainable since people have done it to 3rd gen Protege's already. Hmm, 270 wheel hp and 2725 that makes for 10.09 or so, and that's right on par with the Camaro...And we still handle better than the Camaro...

[ 10-11-2001: Message edited by: ChrisS ]

All of that work and you still aren’t there. You forgot to mention that new tranny that you will need to handle that power. Also the drive train will need to be fixed because it will not be able do launch like you will need to. All of that might get you there and your reliability and warranty went smooth out the window.

I am NOT making fun of your cars I am curious as to why people would buy a car that slow to make go fast? All of that work you just wrote about would put you well above the cost of a Camaro.

I do agree though that the Camaro is quite common but you get a lot for your money.

StuttersC

10-11-2001, 08:04 PM

All that work and yes you are there, you were talking horsepower.

Yeah, you're going to need a clutch and some stronger bits in the tranny. But that goes with otu saying. You were talking about the weight/hp ratio.

As far as cost goes, the motor is less than $2,000 to get, intake and exhaust are less than $1,000. Custom tranny work and everything installed and you might bust $24000 including the cost of the car. Not to far off from the price of the Camaro.

I understand that you don't get why some one would buy a car and then do stuff to it to make it faster, but then I guess you need to ask yourself why you did it.

I feel (my opinion), you pay to much to buy a Camaro, considering everything you get. For almost $24,000 you get a bone stock car that goes quick in a straight line. I don't want that.
For $18,000 I got a car that has number of performance goodies on it already (Tokico shocks, Racing Beat Springs, RacingHart wheels, Dunlop SP 9000 tires, all things that aren't cheap), a car that handles like it's on rails, and nice sound system (Kenwood MP3 player, plus a sub). You would easily spend almost $3000 to make a Camaro handle anywhere close to the MP3. It costs some mony to make a heavy 3300 lb car handle well. Then add the cost of wheels and tires and a stereo. Your well into $30,000 (including cost of car) before you're done and you still have a stock motor.

It isn't worth it to me.

OceanPark

10-11-2001, 08:50 PM

Holy shit, can't believe we have started another flame war here.

IMO, the reason why we get the MP3 instead of the Z28 is very simple. Because the MP3 look way better, which people would turn their head onto us, but not the Big America Z28.

Car aren't make for going straight only, when I choose a car, I consider power, handling, comfort, style and FUN? Tough the MP3 might not get into the power category, but definitely done well in the other 4.

:D :D :D

LT1 Power

10-11-2001, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by OceanPark:
Holy shit, can't believe we have started another flame war here.

IMO, the reason why we get the MP3 instead of the Z28 is very simple. Because the MP3 look way better, which people would turn their head onto us, but not the Big America Z28.

Car aren't make for going straight only, when I choose a car, I consider power, handling, comfort, style and FUN? Tough the MP3 might not get into the power category, but definitely done well in the other 4.

:D :D :D

You people are on crack if you think the Z28 is big. It is a freakin sports car in every way. Bottom line you want a performance car don't go out and buy a slow Japanese POS.

OceanPark

10-11-2001, 09:30 PM

I never consider my MP3 as a performance car. It is a 4dr sedan compact.
Stop doing stupid and gay comparsion.

MP3Ben

10-11-2001, 11:00 PM

Forget about it guys, he probably works for Chevy or something! ;)

Just a waste of time...we like the MP3 coz we like it. We mod it coz we want to. Why compare it to something that it's not, and frankly, something that we don't want it to be? If I wanted a Z28 I would have bought one. I don't. Nothing's ever gonna satisfy this guy short of everyone agreeing with him 'yes we all suck. You are the performance God, we regret buying the MP3'. Not likely buddy. Geez why am I even wasting time on this?? See ya! :)

10-12-2001, 01:18 AM

I agree with all u guy's i was trying to make a point where there's no need to spend 24/30 thousand$, when u can save 5-10 thousand and beef it up more, as it already is and have a smile on your face when whoever rolls up and tells me that my freekin car is "tight".

Camaro Z28 vs Protege MP3 (not Performance)
Curb Weight:3300-3450lbs 2725lbs-base model
horsepower 300-320hp 140hp
Torque: 295-350trq 142trq

Why pay 5-10 thousand more for a car that has a Kenwood 280watt front and rear speakers and trunk mounted 10"subwoofer, napster profile that could play tunes up to 10 hours from a cd-r burned cd. For fun turning the circles and handling the baby 30% better over the competitors in it's class. with racing beat products.(Drop the car, tint the windows, soup up the car and still come out to the same hp and have the car lighter than the z28.

OceanPark

10-12-2001, 07:48 PM

TO GAME:

Do you know why the WRX took so long to come over here? Because they have to make changes to cut down power from 280HP to 223HP to meet the US law. So does the EVO VII and Skyline. You should be happy if they never come over, cause it would greatly effect the US car markers market. Maybe the US government is trying to protect some shit car like the Camaro to compete with the real world. Who would buy Camaro anymore if there were a car goes faster in both STRAIGHT and TURN? lol
Yet, we don’t get all of the Japanese Goodies over here in North America, but at least we got some, and people buy it! In the other way, you will never ever find one single Camaro in Japan. Why? You tell me.
I feel sad when we don’t have a chance to play with the Japanese goodies, like our MP3, which is suppose to be 170HP and 4WD in Japan.

I found your point is very stupid about the “Porsche’s you can’t do drag races”, the Porsche is a real performance car that aren’t made for shitty stupid no skill drag race. It is a real performance car that can go fast in any aspect! And can smoke your Camaro badly.
Why do you think drag race is so important? I don’t give a damn to drag race. Just like what “rho” said, take a train if you want go straight.

Also, make sure you answer everyone questions, don’t just avoid it when you can’t accept the fact!

[ 10-12-2001: Message edited by: OceanPark ]

LT1 Power

10-12-2001, 08:00 PM

The reason those cars are not allowed over here is because they are POS that are made crappy. We have cars made here in the US that have more HP than the STI or the EVO. Power is not it. Safety is of major concern.

My comment about the Porsche was that an AWD car is not meant for drag racing. The drive train cannot handle that much power to all four tires.

I do not know where you get off thinking that the Camaro cannot handle well? It is very easy to pull over 1G in that car with mods.

One more thing I think it is sad that Karl Marx found it necessary to lock the thread I started. It got more posts than any other. He got mad and knew he was wrong and was tired of hearing the truth so he shut it down. Nice job man!

Karl Marx

10-12-2001, 08:59 PM

I'm sorry I shouldn't have locked the thread.. I should have banned you...i guess i was selfish in thinking I was doing you a favor.. i don't like everyone picking on 1 person because they are challenged.

If anyone here ( except you, of course ) replies that they like you and want you to stay then i won't...

You can continue to spill your truth... for now.

manuel

10-12-2001, 09:09 PM

game me posting the url to the site with the import dragster wasnt directed specifically towards you, i just wanted to prove a point. cars race in their own "divisions", for a lack of a better word. and i dont see how you come to the conclusion that cars are cheaply made in a different country if it isnt the US. but back to the original question WHY would someone get the car. simple fact that its a great car. im not a car guy at all. i wouldnt know the difference between a camaro and firebird.(exaggerating to show who i really am) i got the mp3 for one reason i LOVED it. when i saw it i knew i had to get it. it runs the quarter longer than it takes for me to pump gas but i waste more gas with the lawnmower than with the mp3. thats why. i would only add more stuff to the mp3 if it was reasonable to get it, or i can get more performance out of it. the answer to the second part of your question on why add stuff to the car is just that just because its a sedan doesnt mean i cant make it perform like a sportscar....does it?...if im wrong please correct me.

LT1 Power

10-12-2001, 09:42 PM

You do not have to ban be because this is my last post on this site. I just wanted to know what made some of you tick and I am sorry to say I found out what it was. I think that people who buy 4-cilinder cars to go drag racing are fools. They have to spend thousands to even match the V8’s. True I will give you that my car is common, but it is fucking fast.

I know you people drag race because I see cars like yours at the local street races. It is so funny to watch a Z28 or a Mustang blow the doors off a trash talking Civic. The import owners do not know any better because they have never felt the power of a V8. There is NO replacement for displacement.

When these ricers get finished with their cars and they can actually move, the cars are so trashed out and so fucked up they will not run much longer. Sure you can make a Civic or MP3 fast strap on a turbo, some NO2 and off you go. The only problem is you will not be going for long.

Oh, and locking my thread was a pretty shitty thing to do.

manuel

10-12-2001, 11:16 PM

wadda ya know, we both have 38 posts.

MP3Ben

10-13-2001, 03:29 AM

I wonder if it would surprise Game here if some of us want to mod the car not because we want to try to blow the doors off a Camaro, or even ever drag with one. My car is classified as a Sport Compact Sedan, and I'll never pretend that it's a muscle car, a performance coupe, or a friggin Concorde.

He never seemed to get the point that a lot of us just want a little more pep when we run with other cars in our class.

And also, all this 'no respect for 4 bangers' and 'POS Jap cars', and 'sedans cannot be performance cars' is funny, considering what cars make up the BTCC? NATCC? 'Lousy POS 4 bangers who can't perform' such as the Accord, A4, BMW 3 Series. OK waitasec, fine they're not 4 bangers, they're V6 (but not Big Block V8, so it doesn't qualify as performance, right?)

Most of the Rally championship cars out there? 'Lousy POS Jap 4 bangers', such as the WRX, Celica, Tiburon, Focus, and even our little MP3. We're not champions, but we're in the game at least.

I'm sure all the owners and drivers of these internationally recognized races will be mortified that Game doesn't consider these cars 'performance' because they have 4 doors and a 4 cylinder engine! They might just quit racing and go buy a V8 to go to the drags right on the spot if they want REAL performance! :D

They are all 'riced out', right? Talk about a gross overgeneralization. If we were to behave the same we could say a lot of things about ALL Camaro drivers based on Game's behaviours then, right? A few riced out Honda drivers doesn't mean they all are, and I wondered why he chose the MP3 board out of all the boards to 'ask his questions'. Why not go ask the tons of Honda boards? And maybe all the other Mazda, Toyota, Nissan, and even Ford boards? Ford's not Japanese, but there's a 4 banger Focus for you to trash. If you're still around to read this post, maybe you should stop now and go there! That should keep you busy for a year or so.

You know, the one thing good that came out of all this 'discussion' is that all this reminded me why I got the car in the first place, and why I DIDN'T get some other car.

You all know what I'm talking about, coz all of you have at one time or another posted the reasons on this forum.

:)

All I've gotta say is that I'm lovin' my 'POS Jap 4 banger sedan' for my own reasons, that probably everyone here except Game will ever understand.

End of story.

<GLOBE>

10-13-2001, 03:35 AM

I guess we should also consider the reliability of the car as well. The Z28 will probably start rusting after a month. IS A FREAKING AMERICAN CAR, how long can it last? Go to any leasing company and you will find out that this car has the lowest buy back %. The car doesn't worth shit once it touch to ground because of its terrible reliability. I am sure that it is fast, but how long can it last? Z28 ??? hahah give me a break. :eek: making a fool of yourself game. stop making me laugh.

10-14-2001, 05:09 AM

What cracks me up is that triton rips on ocean for the times he said from car and driver and then later on down the list he quotes the same source to gonzo. Just some moronic pos that likes to start crap in forums.

Newf

10-14-2001, 05:42 PM

Well put MP3Ben. For anyone to compare an Camaro/Firefird or any version of the F-Body to any Jap car is just insane.

8 Honda's I've had, 4 accords ( All coupes), 3 Ludes ( 90SI, 92SR, 97S), 1 Civic, and now an MP3. Only thing I've ever replaced were mufflers, plugs/filters, and tires <cough> I've driven every Camaro/Firebird that's been out in the last 20 years, and every time I get in one, I think the same damn thing. This is a real piece of shit. Just about every GM car actually. Sure, the engine sounds nice, and got some punch to it....duh! I should hope 300HP could do something. But just "look" at the car. The paint, the trims, the wheels, the buttons inside, the radio ( HA HA HA ), the controllers for things like wipers, the seats, the materials for the plastic, and so on and so on.....it's like the Walmart of cars. Just a bunch of recycled parts slapped together to make a car, which only has one good thing in it....the engine, at least while it lasts. Even that, when you lift the hood of a WS6, Camaro etc, it just looks like a bunch of metal slapped together. Even the jesus Corvette is almost laughable, although, the newer ones are getting better for quality. And Yes, I've driven a lot of vettes. Mostly older ones mind you, but there's no problem telling that GM makes them

When I drive a Jap car, everything feels well built. The touch of the buttons, to sound of the door slamming, the paint....just everything feels and looks like high quality materials. I feel like I spent my money on something that's going to last. At least when I turn on the AC, the button don't come off in my hand, or when I put down the window, it doesn't fall inside the door.

Oh, and my buddy owns a 97' Firebird, and when we go for a drive, guess which one we take.....MINE! the MP3. Even before the MP3, we took one of the honda's I've owned. Why, because it's fun, confortable, better stereo...and a heck of a lot better on gas. And these days, my buddy can barely afford to put gas in his. ( 80cents/litre on a good day, has hit 90+cents for reg.) Their great cars if all of the roads in the world were straight. I'm still amazed, that for such BIG cars outside, camaro's are so small inside. What's up wit dat?

I know guys that used to work at GM plants, you'd be scared to hear some the their horror stories about the conditions of GM cars as they leave the plants....but I won't get into that.

Anyhow, you get the point...I hope.