*UPDATED* Mazda 3 flip key *WORKING*

[joepro]

I just bought it off ebay. It was originally bought from Japan, and was confirmed to work on taiwan's mazda3.

The seller was nice enough to offer a refund if the remote couldn't be programmed, as long as I didn't have the key cut.

Thanks to wongpres for confirming that it would most probably work in our NA-spec cars.

[dominoy2k1]

damn thats pretty cool.

[jonlong]

anything like that for the protege5?

[digitalricepape]

werd. i'd totally hop on that if it could work on p5's.

[MidnightSpeeder]

joepro - Keep us updated on the situation.. this would be really cool to get the flip key working!

[36Crazyfists]

that is one sexy lookin key

[joepro]

anything like that for the protege5?
(dunno)

[joepro]

joepro - Keep us updated on the situation.. this would be really cool to get the flip key working!

Will do. It should be here by the end of the week, or beginning of next at the latest.

[pb4ugoout]

there was a guy selling some 99-03 flipouts a while back. they had buttons on them but no electronics inside. I always wondered if i could take apart one of my key fobs and put the guts inside that flipout. anyone care to buy the parts and make a how-to??? that would be totally HOTT!

[ZoomVT]

oh dude those are totally hot.
How much was them? do you have a link to the ebay seller?
if it can be programmed i'll jump on that. maybe we can even get a group buy.
whos in?

[Aricjm15]

most of the newer mazdas are coming with those, mostly the MPVs and the RX8s and a few of the mazda 6s depending on what model you get

[jonlong]

I think i'd be able to put the existing electronics into a new controller, assuming it wasn't impossible to fit them in there.

[jonlong]

I would really like to have that...like an Audi key. I keep my car key and remote seperate from all my other keys anyways, so it'd be nice to have it all in one unit.

[Aricjm15]

these units like to come apart, just to let you guys know
a few of the techs while pulling the key out of the door after unlocking it have found that the key likes to stay in the door, and they are just left holding the remote

[joepro]

these units like to come apart, just to let you guys know
a few of the techs while pulling the key out of the door after unlocking it have found that the key likes to stay in the door, and they are just left holding the remote

Damn. Where have you heard/seen this? Is it a specific model of the key (there appears to be different models) that is affected by it?

[Mace Windu]

I hope they find a key that can get hooked up to a trunk release. Anyone see one of those for a 3?

[Aricjm15]

Damn. Where have you heard/seen this? Is it a specific model of the key (there appears to be different models) that is affected by it?
i work at a dealer, the keys are ment to come apart so they can be cut, so its not like they are breaking, they are just not very strong

[joepro]

oh dude those are totally hot.
How much was them? do you have a link to the ebay seller?
if it can be programmed i'll jump on that. maybe we can even get a group buy.
whos in?

He has received more of them. LINK (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7986492119&ssPageName=MERC_VIC_RSCC_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores)

[evilmonkeyMSP]

$140!!!!!!!! Fuck That!!!!!!!

[ZoomVT]

yup no way.
not worth 140 bucks, maybe 50-60.

[Junior]

saw interest and jacked-up the price ... that's azz

[joepro]

saw interest and jacked-up the price ... that's azz

I don't think so. They are standard in australia on '05 SP23's and they retail for 200$ AUD (which is about 150$ USD).

Looks like that's what they're worth.

[Aricjm15]

you guys are pissed about $140? shit go ask your local dealer how much one is then start bitching.

[joepro]

you guys are pissed about $140? shit go ask your local dealer how much one is then start bitching.

How much do they go for where you work? I know every accessory I wanna buy for my 3 is about twice as much up here then it is on mazdastuff.com

[Aricjm15]

Mazdastuff sells everything at the retail price mazda sets, if your dealer is charging more they are a bunch of assholes and I would not shop with them.
I dont think I can get these remotes for what this guy is selling them for, I will have to check when I go into work tomorrow

[SNike05]

you guys are pissed about $140? shit go ask your local dealer how much one is then start bitching.

He is right. My dealer wanted $500 CAD for that key when I was buying my P5. I prefer my compustar more though.

[Kaian]

I just bought it off ebay. It was originally bought from Japan, and was confirmed to work on taiwan's mazda3.

The seller was nice enough to offer a refund if the remote couldn't be programmed, as long as I didn't have the key cut.

Thanks to wongpres for confirming that it would most probably work in our NA-spec cars.

The flip "switchblade" key is standard for the Mazda5, btw. It is totally cool.

[cutiepie_1980]

But what about the chip in the key? Can this one be programmed to imitate it?

[Aricjm15]

But what about the chip in the key? Can this one be programmed to imitate it?
it is a chip key, the car is progamed to the key, not the key to the car if that makes any sense

[tsunami]

super hawt... but 140$$ will just put it on the list of stuff i want but will have to wait till that rockstar thing works out....

[joepro]

it is a chip key, the car is progamed to the key, not the key to the car if that makes any sense


Yeah, that's what it is. Hopefully, the engine immobilizer (PATS) and the transponder used are the same in all mazda 3's worldwide. If that's the case, I see no reason as to why this key will not work.

The item shipment was delayed because I ordered a grille. Mazda taiwan painted it on friday. The package was supposed to be shipped on monday, but there was a major typhoon which basically shut down the entire place. I hope it will ship out tomorrow. Can't wait to try it!

[joepro]

Received the key yesterday. Will try to have the remote programmed later today. I really hope it works, but am starting to doubt it. Will keep you all posted.

[joepro]

Well, what can i say....

WOOOOOHOOOOOOOO!!!!!

The remote works with our cars!!!

Now I'll have to have the key cut. Hopefully that works too, because I can't get a refund once the key is cut.

[evilmonkeyMSP]

sweet :D

[Mikey444]

He is right. My dealer wanted $500 CAD for that key when I was buying my P5. I prefer my compustar more though.

500$?!?!?!?!(deadhorse. Just for a freakin key. How do they expect to sell a single one at that price.

[evilmonkeyMSP]

they dont care...they're not there to sell parts....




500$?!?!?!?!(deadhorse. Just for a freakin key. How do they expect to sell a single one at that price.

[joepro]

So I've had the key cut at my stealership. For free. They then said it needed to be programmed and that would take just about an hour (80$/hr). I told them I'd do it myself in less than 5 minutes.

But guess what? I wasn't able to :(

I read the instructions carefully, tried about 12 times and can't get it work.
Do you think the dealer can actually manage to get the ECU to recognize it?

[evilmonkeyMSP]

if not you dont pay them....depends on how much its worth to you...




So I've had the key cut at my stealership. For free. They then said it needed to be programmed and that would take just about an hour (80$/hr). I told them I'd do it myself in less than 5 minutes.

But guess what? I wasn't able to :(

I read the instructions carefully, tried about 12 times and can't get it work.
Do you think the dealer can actually manage to get the ECU to recognize it?

[goldwing2000]

Which instructions did you use?

[joepro]

Which instructions did you use?

Instructions (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71178)

Just came back from the stealership. Using my 2 original keys, they weren't able to get the key to work.

So, I'm thinking either there is no chip in this key, the key is busted or they use a different immobilizer (PATS) system?

Oh well, I've got a very expensive keychain for now.

[goldwing2000]

That sucks.

Well, at least you can use it as a spare remote.

[joepro]

If anyone has access to mazda parts and/or lives in japan, could you lookup this part# for me please? G2YA-76-201A

I'm gonna try to bug Mazda Canada as well, but I'm not expecting much from them.

[wongpres]

The jacknife keyfob should have the chip inside it - Australian and JDM-spec Mazda3's come with this jacknife key and they also have immobilizers.

I have two suggestions for you. Here's two sets of instructions I have for programming a key for the Mazda3. The first set is similar to the instructions already posted on the How-To here (but the wording of the timing is a bit different so it's good to have two wordings of instructions to experiment more). The second set of instructions can only be done by a dealer (need to hook up a computer), so maybe you could ask the dealer to confirm they tried this process.

Finally, try starting the car with your new key but over-lay an existing key on top of the new keyless fob (have the existing key facing the little grille-thing on the dash). This is to perhaps trick the car into getting the immobilizer reading from the existing key, so if it starts it confirms the problem is immobilizer and not the way the key is cut or anything.

Let us know how it goes.

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No.1 Additional Key Registration Procedure (Using Two Valid Keys)
Conditions

• Customer has two or more valid keys.

Note
• A maximum of eight keys can be registered for any one vehicle. If key registration is not successful and DTC 15 appears even though the procedure was performed properly, use the PID/data monitor function of the WDS or equivalent and verify the number of keys that have been registered.
• If eight keys have already been registered, and it is necessary to register other keys, the previously registered key ID numbers must first be cleared. To clear the key ID numbers, refer to "No.3 Key Replacement Procedure (Clearing Previously Registered Key ID Numbers, Key Re-registration)".
Procedure




1. Have one key (key 3) ready for registration.

2. Using key 1, turn the ignition switch to the ON position.

3. Verify that the security light illuminates for approx. 3 s and then goes out.

4. Using key 1, turn the ignition switch to the LOCK position within approx. 4 s after the security light goes out.

5. Remove key 1

6. Repeat Steps 2-5 using key 2.

7. Repeat Steps 2-5 using key 3.

8. If additional keys need to be registered, repeat Steps 1-7 in the same manner as key 3.

No.2 Additional Key Registration Procedure (Using the WDS or equivalent)
Conditions

• Customer has only one valid key. Or customer has no valid keys. (Can also be performed even if there are two or more valid keys)

Note
• A maximum of eight keys can be registered for any one vehicle. If key registration is not successful and DTC 15 appears even though the procedure was performed properly, use the PID/data monitor function of the WDS or equivalent and verify the number of keys that have been registered.
• If eight keys have already been registered, and it is necessary to register other keys, the previously registered key ID numbers must first be cleared. To clear the key ID numbers, refer to "No.3 Key Replacement Procedure (Clearing Previously Registered Key ID Numbers, Key Re-registration)".
Procedure
1. Have one key (key 1) ready for registration.

2. Using key 1, turn the ignition switch to the ON position.

Note
• Although the security light flashes and DTC 15 is displayed, this does not indicate an improper procedure. Continue to perform the procedure as indicated.
3. Connect the WDS or equivalent to the DLC-2.

4. Select "Body/Security/PATS function" from the WDS or equivalent screen menu.

5. Perform security access as indicated on the WDS or equivalent screen. (See No.6 Security Access Procedure.)

6. Select "Program Additional Ignition Key" from the WDS or equivalent screen menu.

[joepro]

Thanks for all your help on this wongpres.

I was able to start the car overlaying an existing key on top of the new one. So it looks like the issue is with PATS. Why would mazda 3's not use the same system worldwide? It doesn't make sense to me. Perhaps this key isn't for a mazda 3 afterall?

I still wasn't able to program the ECU using your #1 method.
I guess I'll go back to the dealer and have them try your #2 method.

I'm not giving up yet.

[Jliao]

Wait, one post you said it works with your 3s, then another you said it's not working? I'm confused.. Is your keyless entry/remote working? it's just the key cut (I guess you try to duplicate your current key) isn't working?

[SNike05]

Wait, one post you said it works with your 3s, then another you said it's not working? I'm confused.. Is your keyless entry/remote working? it's just the key cut (I guess you try to duplicate your current key) isn't working?

The key will turn but because it doesn't recognize the chip inside the key it won't start. Thats what he meant.

[Aricjm15]

it has to be programed for the car to start

[Jliao]

You need a chip inside the key to start the car? What about the spare key? It looks as it's just a flat piece of metal.

[TheMAN]

if your spare key is just a flat piece of metal then your car does not have the immobilizer system

[joepro]

I was able to get the remote to work, but not the key itself. The ECU refuses to recognize it. Both the dealer and myself have tried programming the key and have failed. However, I was able to start the car with this new key, overlaying an original key on top of it (as suggested by wongpres) to determine that the problem was indeed with the immobilizer.

I'm going to contact mazda canada to figure out what's going on and will probably be placing an order for another key. If you look at the picture, you'll see it comes in 2 pieces... The remote and the key.

[wongpres]

joepro,

What is happening to the Security Indicator light on the instrument panel when you're doing the programming procedure for the new key. What I mean is, you have key1 in, then out, key2 in, then out, and when you put key3 (newkey) in, what is happenning with the Security Indicator light (is it blinking extra fast, is it blinking like normal speed, is it compeltely lit, or is it completely unlit)?

[joepro]

It is blinking extra fast. The same way it did when I tried to use it before programming it (wanted to see if the immobilizer really worked :))

[wongpres]

I can think of two more things to try:

1. Make sure you're REALLY quick between removing key 1 and putting in key 2 in (ditto for 2 to 3).

2. Secondly, when you put key 3 in there and it's blinking, wait a while (could be over a minute) to see if it stops blinking (and then remove the key after it stops blinking). But blinking really fast is not a good sign (it symbolizes invalid).

[joepro]

I tried both methods and both won't work.

I contacted Mazda Canada and this is what they told me:
Joe:

The PATS (passive anti theft system) on the Mazda3 key is encrypted with a
different language than the systems using the flip key.

At this time, we do not have any further information to enable you to adapt
the flip style key to the existing Mazda3 PATS system.

Customer Relations
Mazda Canada Inc.

And this is taken off the Mazdausa.com website:
Will my retractable key work for any of my Mazdas, since the keys look the same?
A redesigned key/keyless entry transmitter has been introduced on some 2005 models (2005 MX-5 MX-5 Miata, 2005 MPV and 2005 RX-8). The redesigned keys/transmitters look similar in many ways, but cannot be interchanged between vehicles or with any other models.

So, it looks like it's not gonna work for now :(
Maybe I can buy a mazda 3 compatible transponder (not a key, just the chip) and stick in this flip key :)

[evilmonkeyMSP]

damn....alota work for a key....

[joepro]

There are some new develoments. It appears that a mazda 5 key will work. I will give this a shot as soon as I can get my hands on one.

[joepro]

There are some new develoments. It appears that a mazda 5 key will work. I will give this a shot as soon as I can get my hands on one.


Received my Mazda 5 key today. The dealer's machine was broken, so he told me to go have it cut at the hardware store. Well, they totally butchered it. Can't even open the doors or trunk with it :( (gun)

So anyway, I get back in my car and I'm still fuming. That's when it hits me. I can open both keys and switch the blades. As soon as I got home I opened both of them. My suspicions were right: the original key DIDN'T have a transponder in it. The transponder, in the mazda 5 key, was sitting exactly where I thought it should've in the original key.

To make a long story short, I was able to program the ECU and on the first try even.

So there you have it, it can be done. (cool)

[SilentSno]

Received my Mazda 5 key today. The dealer's machine was broken, so he told me to go have it cut at the hardware store. Well, they totally butchered it. Can't even open the doors or trunk with it :( (gun)

So anyway, I get back in my car and I'm still fuming. That's when it hits me. I can open both keys and switch the blades. As soon as I got home I opened both of them. My suspicions were true: the original key DIDN'T have a transponder in it. The transponder, in the mazda 5 key, was sitting exactly where I thought it should've in the original key.

To make a long story short, I was able to program the ECU and on the first try even.

So there you have it, it can be done. (cool)

Thats awesome! How much was the Mazda5 key from the dealer?

[joepro]

Thats awesome! How much was the Mazda5 key from the dealer?

Well the key itself was a little bit less than 40$ US. I forwarded the part # to my ebay supplier. So it appears as though the key+remote can be had for 140$. The dealer wanted more than 180$ for the remote only.

[evilmonkeyMSP]

Wonder if this works for the MSP

[joepro]

Wonder if this works for the MSP

Does the MSP use PATS? I found out a mazda 5 key would work because a local shop makes a bypass kit for remote starters that worked for both. But they didn't have any kind of kits for Protegés (Regular, P5, MSP). So it could work with the chipless key, however I'm not sure if the remote will work.

[jonlong]

I'm pretty sure all variations of the Protege use a standard key with NO transponder unit. Does that mean we could get one of those keys cut and programmed to work w/ a protege and w/ the keyless entry? I'm really interested!

[goldwing2000]

My suspicions were right: the original key DIDN'T have a transponder in it. The transponder, in the mazda 5 key, was sitting exactly where I thought it should've in the original key.

So can you bitch at this eBay guy and get some of your money back because he sent you a defective key??

[joepro]

So can you bitch at this eBay guy and get some of your money back because he sent you a defective key??

Technically speaking it wasn't defective. Mazda does make some without transponders. My guess is he just ordered the wrong key.

However, since I am planning on buying more items from him, I'm trying to secure free expedited shipping (45$ USD) on my next purchase. That should compensate for the key and I think is fair for all. We'll see what he says.

[tviko]

Hey guys i just thought id chime in, I just programed my flip key for my 2006 MZ3 first try no problems at all. I bought the key off ebay 30 bucks shipped, it was a mazda 6 key. Had it cut at homedepot for free and from the instructions on one of the other forums just some simple on/offs with all 3 keys (2 of which were already programed) and some unlock and locks with the remotes (2 of which were programed). Any questions or anything I can help with let me know.

[Tungsten6]

can you send me a link of how you reprogrammed the key? i replaced my battery and now its not working.

[tviko]

Pm'd

[vinmarc77]

I just bought it off ebay. It was originally bought from Japan, and was confirmed to work on taiwan's mazda3.

The seller was nice enough to offer a refund if the remote couldn't be programmed, as long as I didn't have the key cut.

Thanks to wongpres for confirming that it would most probably work in our NA-spec cars.

hello good day,

can help to get one of those flip key for mazda.i have my mazda3 2.0 2005 and i would like to have a flip key for my car... can you please help me.can you email me at vinmarc77@yahoo.com many thanks

[vinmarc77]

[QUOTE=joepro;1824049]I just bought it off ebay. It was originally bought from Japan, and was confirmed to work on taiwan's mazda3.

The seller was nice enough to offer a refund if the remote couldn't be programmed, as long as I didn't have the key cut.

Thanks to wongpres for confirming that it would most probably work in our NA-spec cars.[/QU


good day,can you please tell me where did you buy the flip key.coz i wanted to buy the same flip key with 2 bottons.my car is mazda3 2.0L.and can you please redirect me.just please send me a message on my email or mail hir vinmarc77@yahoo.com.please and thank you...