stock engine or JDM motor??

[arabamer2004]

ok guys bare with me here!! I own a protege 99 lx 1.6l dohc/auto. Now i have been doing alot of searching on a turbo setup and foud that hiboost has a turbokit for $4100!! to me that kinda sounds like a hell of alot of money for a turbo setup on a stock engine. my car now has 130,000 miles and i was thinking of swaping the engine/tranny(tranny is going bad) for a jdm motor imported from japan. i just wanted to know which is a better deal; get a jdm swap w/tranny and turbo-it, or to stick with my stock engine..turbo-it &other work+buy a new tranny?? (help)

[MIA protege]

jdm engine turboed wont be a good idea. ... go with a stock 1.6 and boost it. its worth the 4100 trust me. whole new car

[fabian]

I dont understand why you guys are spending an assload of $4,100 for a fuckin turbo kit when you guys can just swap the 2.0 MSP engine already turboe'd and get the ecu and harness for just as much...yeah and the 2.0 definitely runs more than 160hp.

[MIA protege]

ummm maybe cuz the 1.6l boosted is faster than the mazdaspeed ... does that mean anything ?

[SubXer0]

...yeah and the 2.0 definitely runs more than 160hp.

i hope you don't mean WHP because actually it's more like 150 at the wheels if that, i've seen some that aren't even making that much
2.0+ boost=teh suck.....of course the 2.0 not boosted sucks all the same IMO

[arabamer2004]

so turbo stock engine and good to go right!! (eyeballs) thanks for the help guys

[Shane5425]

yep, turbo the 1.6l boost beast, i am in the process of that now, but i am not gettin the hiboost kit, only the manifold and i am making the rest myself..

also, there is only one bolt in engine swap for the 1.6l, its the 1.5l svt engine that makes 130hp, prolly 110 at the wheels. but u need haltech ex6 to get the svt running..

[Shane5425]

I dont understand why you guys are spending an assload of $4,100 for a fuckin turbo kit when you guys can just swap the 2.0 MSP engine already turboe'd and get the ecu and harness for just as much...yeah and the 2.0 definitely runs more than 160hp.

ok i have said this before.. The 2.0l msp engine has weak ass rods. will break past 10psi.

also, the 2.0 has maybe 100whp stock, turboed 150whp, and most people stop at 220whp because of the rods,
and ur gonna spend 4,000 just gettin the msp setup, not installed...

the 1.6l has short stroke, and thicker rods, therefore it can hanlde more boost, 20psi is around the limits but the limit has never been found, yet. 20psi and makin 290whp on a stock engine owns Msp 2.0l T

[kickniteasy]

why not take the 4100, sell the pro, and use the combined money to buy a better used base car with less than 100K miles on the engine?

[SubXer0]

why not take the 4100, sell the pro, and use the combined money to buy a better used base car with less than 100K miles on the engine?


thats what i'm saying

[chaosProtege]

i'd pick up a less used 1.6l from a junk yard or rebuild the one you got and turbo it. or buy a civic and put a 100 shot of NAWZ on it and a big spoiler and you will be t3h fastar3st!!

[THEGOLDPRO]

I dont understand why you guys are spending an assload of $4,100 for a fuckin turbo kit when you guys can just swap the 2.0 MSP engine already turboe'd and get the ecu and harness for just as much...yeah and the 2.0 definitely runs more than 160hp.yeah thats an awesome idea (jerkit) :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[TampaSport20]

He's a newbie guys....abeit excessively ignorant, but still, cut a little slack....Most turbo 2.0L guys would love to have the strength of the 1.6L..FYI you dont HAVE to spend $4100 to boost a 1.6L...ask goldpro

[65racecoupe]

i hope you don't mean WHP because actually it's more like 150 at the wheels if that, i've seen some that aren't even making that much
2.0+ boost=teh suck.....of course the 2.0 not boosted sucks all the same IMO

But...

2.0 BUILT + Boost = 290 ish at the wheels on 15psi (bump)

[Shane5425]

But...

2.0 BUILT + Boost = 290 ish at the wheels on 15psi (bump)

but...

1.6l stock + Boost = 292whp at 20 psi... lol had to..

[MIA protege]

but...

1.6l stock + Boost = 292whp at 20 psi... lol had to..

beat me to it ...

[65racecoupe]

beat me to it ...

Yeah, but the reality is that 99 percent of people will mod what they have in their vehicles. For the later model guys, that means 2.0. Also, the best way to go with some power is with a P5 or MP3 and then build and boost, not to go with a MSP.

Also, 20 psi may be a lot of stress on an engine which, with many of you, has about 75 to 100K miles.

I wouldn't mod a car with that many miles on a stock engine, not to mention 130K. I agree with many of you, I would get a different car to mod as well.

[Shane5425]

Yeah, but the reality is that 99 percent of people will mod what they have in their vehicles. For the later model guys, that means 2.0. Also, the best way to go with some power is with a P5 or MP3 and then build and boost, not to go with a MSP.

Also, 20 psi may be a lot of stress on an engine which, with many of you, has about 75 to 100K miles.

I wouldn't mod a car with that many miles on a stock engine, not to mention 130K. I agree with many of you, I would get a different car to mod as well.

fuck that, it blows put a shortblock in it, boost for another 100k
i am only had 45k btw.. which is lower than alot of the 2.0l around here..

[igdrasil]

thats the attitude (rockon)

Run it until it blows, then get another short block. The 1.6L has potential.

fuck that, it blows put a shortblock in it, boost for another 100k
i am only had 45k btw.. which is lower than alot of the 2.0l around here..

[Shane5425]

thats the attitude (rockon)

Run it until it blows, then get another short block. The 1.6L has potential.

yep, i am soon to be boosted, so ill tell ya how long it last in a few years.. my tranny will give before the engine..

[redrims]

also, there is only one bolt in engine swap for the 1.6l, its the 1.5l svt engine that makes 130hp, prolly 110 at the wheels. but u need haltech ex6 to get the svt running..

The FS motors (2.0/1.8) have the same mounting points as the 1.6l.

So you can swap in a 2.0l if you really wanted too. Ask Negatize how his swap went.

[Shane5425]

yeah, i know, negatize also had to change everything from the engine back all the way into the dash..

[ozmojo1]

hmm, so the 2.0 and 1.8 and 1.6 are all somewhat swappable? I have a 2.0 fs in my mazda mx6 which I want to turbo but as mentioned, they cant handle much boost. is there any more info out there on swapping these engines? thanks

[Shane5425]

the 2.0 and 1.8 are direct swaps, only have to swap the engnine, the 1.8l/2.0l to 1.6l everything has to be changed under the hood..

[SubXer0]

But...

2.0 BUILT + Boost = 290 ish at the wheels on 15psi
but...

1.6l stock + Boost = 292whp at 20 psi... lol had to..

/\this is my point....any engine could be powerful with work done but i just like the fact that the 1.6 is considerably stronger than the 2.0 that and the 2.0 is just a strange engine to me i can't really explain it, its powerband sucks though imo
peace
dante

[igdrasil]

The FSDE its a torque tuned engine.

You could overbore the 1.6 and get more displacement.

/\this is my point....any engine could be powerful with work done but i just like the fact that the 1.6 is considerably stronger than the 2.0 that and the 2.0 is just a strange engine to me i can't really explain it, its powerband sucks though imo
peace
dante

[SubXer0]

oh ok i guess thats why when i race people i can kill them off the line and then after 3rd gear they come back and kill me lol
peace
dante

[Shane5425]

The FSDE its a torque tuned engine.

You could overbore the 1.6 and get more displacement.

bikman is doing that now, overboring to 1.8l and building the head to hold 7500rpms, cant wait to see his results..

[igdrasil]

I think there is a stroker kit, im not so sure and cost around $2200 to get 1890 of displacement out of the 1.6L Miata engine...I dont know if its the same engine?



bikman is doing that now, overboring to 1.8l and building the head to hold 7500rpms, cant wait to see his results..

[Shane5425]

different engine, but the protege 1.6ls orgins are from that engine u are talking about..

[TampaSport20]

The FSDE its a torque tuned engine.

You could overbore the 1.6 and get more displacement.


not recommended.

not that much room to bore before weakening the cylinder walls

[novAKs47]

Out of curiousity, how much torque do the severly boosted 1.6's lay down?

[TampaSport20]

Out of curiousity, how much torque do the severly boosted 1.6's lay down?

Usually right about dead even with the amount of hp they "lay down", if not a few more lb-ft

[RenzoMSP]

This thread makes me sad.:(

[Shane5425]

gold pro put down around 180hp and trq, if i am notmistaken..

[SubXer0]

This thread makes me sad.

u ain't lying i wish i woulda bought a 1.6 now oh well lol
peace
dante

[fabian]

can I do a 2.0 head swap to my 1.6L instead of doing an entire engine swap?

[Shane5425]

nope, only a 1.5l svt head swap..

[ozmojo1]

thing is with me, i have a 2.0fs motor in my mazda mx6. want to go turbo but i see this as an option possibly. is it a viable option or not worth considering for any reason?

[Shane5425]

thing is with me, i have a 2.0fs motor in my mazda mx6. want to go turbo but i see this as an option possibly. is it a viable option or not worth considering for any reason?

you could run one of the turbo kits, but i dunno if the pipeing will match up because of it not bieng a protege, but they do offer a v6 engine for your car. klve i think.. look into it..

[ozmojo1]

you could run one of the turbo kits, but i dunno if the pipeing will match up because of it not bieng a protege, but they do offer a v6 engine for your car. klve i think.. look into it..

your thinking of the klze. I could swap that in as well. but theres only so much hp to be had with that engine. there is more potential with turbo. what i was asking was whether it would be better to stick with the 2.0 or go to a 1.6 or 1.8 if they are stronger?

[THEGOLDPRO]

Out of curiousity, how much torque do the severly boosted 1.6's lay down?im running 12 psi, and i put down 186whp, and 226wtq untuned.

[arabamer2004]

just like to thank everyone for giving me more information and ideas. right now i'm packing up to get ready to do a show in bristol tennesse where the nopi nationals will be held. as agreement with my sponsor i have to go to at least 4 shows this year. so i asked posted the engine question so that my sponsor can hook me up. btw: i've been busy at work so sorry if i havent been on line to reply. anyhow theres a slight delay in putting pics of my car as i'm doing alot of work to it...but i will put them up along with the pics from nopi..wish me luck!!! (gtfo) (yupnope)

[Shane5425]

your thinking of the klze. I could swap that in as well. but theres only so much hp to be had with that engine. there is more potential with turbo. what i was asking was whether it would be better to stick with the 2.0 or go to a 1.6 or 1.8 if they are stronger?

i say go with a built short block for a 2.0 and turbo it, u are gonna have to figure out some kind of engine management though, if i am correct you have a distributor not coil packs..

[SubXer0]

what i was asking was whether it would be better to stick with the 2.0 or go to a 1.6 or 1.8 if they are stronger?

i was thinking of something similar although the reverse i was thinking (because my bro has a v6 mx6) that since the mx6/626/protege all have the fs that i would just swap the v6 from an mx6 in my car it should bolt up and theres plenty of room for it its just all the electrical work and engine manegement thats the problem plus my car is obdII where as i belive the his mxg is OBD1 same thing your going to encounter the 1.6 will prob bolt in but the electrical is what kills it unless of course you don't mind figuring out all that stuff in which case i say go for it!

if i am correct you have a distributor not coil packs..


correct

[Shane5425]

the 1.6 will not just bolt in, the trannys are differant..

[novAKs47]

im running 12 psi, and i put down 186whp, and 226wtq untuned.

Nice! Your car must pull quite nicely. (burnout) Well, time to add a 1.6L Pro to my list of cars to be purchased. lol