**** Your suggestions for the MSP section ****

[jersey_emt]

Myself and a few other users have turned around a thread in the dumpster that began with complaints about the MSP section into a useful thread with several suggestions on how to make our section better.

Here are the suggestions made so far:

1. Display the latest topics from all subfolders on the main MSP section page (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=48)

2. Remove the MSP Marketplace subfolder. In its place, I will create a sticky thread that has all of the MSP-specific parts. Vendors will have to PM me with information to be added on this list. Any non-MSP-specific parts from vendors will be placed in the general vendors section.

3. Remove the MSP appearance section. Move all threads into the general Appearance section.

4. Remove the Audio/Electronics section. Move all threads into the general Audio/Electronics section.

5. Combine the Engine/Performance section with the Forced Induction section. Any power mod, be it an intake, catback, intercooler, boost controller, whatever...will go here.

6. Close the archives subfolder to actually make it an archive. You won't be able to post in these threads, but they will still be available for viewing.

#1 was approved a long time ago, but the administrators haven't gotten to it yet. I will pester them a bit to get this done ASAP, because this would be the best improvement to the section. Its the best compromise between having subfolders and not...you can choose to view each forum individually, or all in one lump. When posting a new thread however, you will have to enter the correct subfolder.

For the rest, I will bring the up and discuss them with other staff members. I can not guarantee that your suggestions will be approved & implemented, but I *can* guarantee that every suggestion will be discussed in the staff forum.

So let's hear any other suggestions you might have. Either reply to this thread, or send me a PM. I will add on to this first post as new suggestions are made.

Also, once I get enough good suggestions, and they start to get approved & implemented, I will make a recommendation to re-open the General Chat subfolder.

~Justin

[girth]

All good suggestions so far. Obviously I'd prefer the total elimination of all subforums period or just displaying everything in the general chat section as promised but that's (deadhorse

As far as the Archive section goes - there's only 5 threads even in that section right now, so might as well just eliminate it completely.

[jurgs01]

I would be against moving the audio/electronics section because the MSP has a unique setup. Definately the appearance threads could go in general MSP chat or the main appearance section because we aren't different than other proteges (by much) on the outside. Oh, and one vote for removing the wait time after posting in the MSP general chat section. That just sucks.

[jersey_emt]

All good suggestions so far. Obviously I'd prefer the total elimination of all subforums period or just displaying everything in the general chat section as promised but that's (deadhorse

As far as the Archive section goes - there's only 5 threads even in that section right now, so might as well just eliminate it completely.

Only 5 threads? There's 160 pages of threads on there.

Displaying the latest threads -- like I said I will bug the admins to push this one through. It's one thing we actualy agree on (rei)

[jersey_emt]

I would be against moving the audio/electronics section because the MSP has a unique setup. Definately the appearance threads could go in general MSP chat or the main appearance section because we aren't different than other proteges (by much) on the outside. Oh, and one vote for removing the wait time after posting in the MSP general chat section. That just sucks.


I've been saying over and over that the general chat section with the 'approval' wait time is temporary. I think it's done its purpose and I will push to have it removed

[apocman]

Now for a real post (not like my other dark humor ones)

so basically we can remove all of the sub-forums that are duplicates (if you will) due to the general sub-forums that speak about the same stuff just non-MSP specific, right?

that sounds like a good idea...

[ForceFed]

I've been saying over and over that the general chat section with the 'approval' wait time is temporary. I think it's done its purpose and I will push to have it removedAnd what exactly "WAS" its purpose...I didn't see one at all?

[505zoom]

1, 2, 3, and 5 are all great ideas in my book. 4 is not good IMO because the stereo in the msp is different than all the other proteges and it will be easier for people to find stuff about OUR stereo in it's own section. I don't really care for 6 either because there are a lot of threads in there and we should be able to post in them... I don't really see the need to basically lock all of those threads.

Glad to see that there is some talk on how to make this better for everyone... I think that just having #1 implemented will make things a lot better for mods and users alike. Cheers.

[jersey_emt]

And what exactly "WAS" its purpose...I didn't see one at all?

To 'train' people to use the subforums ;) (flame2) (protest)

[ONRAILS]

I like them all but #3 and #4. Like it was stated, our audio system is different. And I like the appearance one for the msp. We have a unique car, and I like to see it seperate from the rest.

[jersey_emt]

I like them all but #3 and #4. Like it was stated, our audio system is different. And I like the appearance one for the msp. We have a unique car, and I like to see it seperate from the rest.

I can agree with keeping the audio section here (for questions specific to the stock MSP stereo)...but every appearance mod for the MSP pertains just as much to the regular Protege. Appearance wise, an MSP is just a Protege with wheels and a body kit.

[Mr. 4500 RPM]

I say more boobies in the msp section!

[RXMmazdaspeed]

I say more boobies in the msp section!

best idea yet

[geomatics_tech]

more boobies is an awesome idea.

but really, how bout moving everything into a section called "search".

shaun

[rizzo]

1-4 is good don't like 5. More boobies is also good!

[girth]

Only 5 threads? There's 160 pages of threads on there.

Ok, serious question here then. Why do I only get 5 threads when I bring it up? I even did a refresh....using Mozilla. Hm....maybe I'll see if Explorer shows the same....

[CasopoliS]

I get 159 pages with Firefox

[Matthew]

Ok, serious question here then. Why do I only get 5 threads when I bring it up? I even did a refresh....using Mozilla. Hm....maybe I'll see if Explorer shows the same....

do you have that age option or whatever turned on? looks like it but its cut off

[jurgs01]

Ok, serious question here then. Why do I only get 5 threads when I bring it up? I even did a refresh....using Mozilla. Hm....maybe I'll see if Explorer shows the same....

Click on Quick Links, then Edit Options, scroll down to the Thread Display Options section, go to Default Thread Age Cut Off (you probably have Use Forum Default selected), then select a new limit of how old the threads you want to view.

[jersey_emt]

Click on Quick Links, then Edit Options, scroll down to the Thread Display Options section, go to Default Thread Age Cut Off (you probably have Use Forum Default selected), then select a new limit of how old the threads you want to view.

Roger that.

ten-four-niner

[tekkie]

I am with Rich on this one


1, 2, 3, and 5 are all great ideas in my book. 4 is not good IMO because the stereo in the msp is different than all the other proteges and it will be easier for people to find stuff about OUR stereo in it's own section. I don't really care for 6 either because there are a lot of threads in there and we should be able to post in them... I don't really see the need to basically lock all of those threads.

Glad to see that there is some talk on how to make this better for everyone... I think that just having #1 implemented will make things a lot better for mods and users alike. Cheers.

[yashooa]

All good suggestions so far. Obviously I'd prefer the total elimination of all subforums period or just displaying everything in the general chat section as promised but that's (deadhorse

As far as the Archive section goes - there's only 5 threads even in that section right now, so might as well just eliminate it completely.
And the master of the vagina is back... :)
Naw, I agree with ole Girthy. Do what he say's BITCHES!

[yashooa]

FUCK-KNOBS!!!
Wait, what was the question?

[girth]

And the master of the vagina is back... :)
Naw, I agree with ole Girthy. Do what he say's BITCHES!

And there you have it my friends. The Man has officially spoken. Annoit me into mod status, let me unsubforum everything, and you will see the activity in the MSP section EXPLODE! (blowup)Vendors would then be raking it in hand-over-fist due to the increased activity, Antoine will be happier, and everyone will be having more fun. The chaotic ways of no sub-forums is so much better.

[yashooa]

And there you have it my friends. The Man has officially spoken. Annoit me into mod status, let me unsubforum everything, and you will see the activity in the MSP section EXPLODE! (blowup)Vendors would then be raking it in hand-over-fist due to the increased activity, Antoine will be happier, and everyone will be having more fun. The chaotic ways of no sub-forums is so much better.
You're like the new forum Jesus...(angel)
Let chaos REIGN!!!

[yashooa]

Down with the TWATZIS!

[Newf]

ok, been busy as of late, and I'm just seeing this thread and the original one.

I'll just say this as I am on the way to bed after working 16hrs straight.

Sub forums were a bad idea from the start, and I don't think I've posted in any of the sub forums much at all if any since it happened. I understand the mods reasoning behind wanting to do it, but the entire idea is relying on 1 or 2 mods making sure each thread gets moved to the proper sub forums, and it's up to the mod to determine what goes into FI, or the Engine section. Seems like a lot of busy bullshit work to me. As for the other side of things, having to go into each sub forum to get the latest topics is a major PITA and has seriously sucked the life out of these forums. I have nothing but mad respect for tease/jersey/other mods, but man I wish that idea had never happened.

As for the "People complaining" about "people complaining" ... get over it. This is a forum, it's going to happen. And by the looks of things, when we don't complain, certain mods assume everyone is happy and that is certainly not the case.

I've been here longer then %90+ of you, and the introduction of all of these sub forums, and then sub sub forums was the turning point ( in a bad way ) for this club, and i am very happy to see someone doing something about it. there's just too many sub forums, that's my major complaint. And every section ( Mazda3/msp/m6 etc)should have it's own latest topic threads at the very least.

I'm not going to go on more then that, and most of the idea's I have it seems good ole Girth has already stated.

oh, and yes, we need more boobies :)

[girth]

Well said Newf.

Basically I think the general idea of subforums was to make "research" easier (which works in theory). But the thing is, I think the MINORITY actually uses this forum as a research tool - the majority of us just come here to have fun and see what some of the latest topics of discussion are (regardless if the topics have been discussed before in earlier topics). Besides that, searches can still be performed effectively without subforums. Give the majority what they want I say.(ugh)

[girth]

Damn there hasn't been a SINGLE post in this section of the forum for 7 hours now. For a weekday that is pathetic.

[yashooa]

Sub forums must die a horrible, ugly, Rosie's fat naked ass, death!

[yashooa]

Well said Newf.

Basically I think the general idea of subforums was to make "research" easier (which works in theory). But the thing is, I think the MINORITY actually uses this forum as a research tool - the majority of us just come here to have fun and see what some of the latest topics of discussion are (regardless if the topics have been discussed before in earlier topics). Besides that, searches can still be performed effectively without subforums. Give the majority what they want I say.(ugh)

Well said, o Master of The Vagina!
Let Girthy wrestle this bitch back into shape.

[jersey_emt]

Any other suggestions before I bring up everything with the other staff?

[yashooa]

Any other suggestions before I bring up everything with the other staff?
I love y0oo Man...said with a druken slur.

[Newf]

Any other suggestions before I bring up everything with the other staff?

I don't think your going to get many more responses then this because hardly anyone even checks the msp section anymore.

Sad, but true.

[mdaj]

I agree with Newf. Sub-Forums can be deleted. Never thought of any use for them since the mere thought of creating them.

[livelyjay]

I suggest a Troubleshooting section specific to the MSP. Topics that come up regularly can be stickied at the top. It's a better way to handle common problems with the MSP for newbs to find them. Searching works most of the time, but not all the time.

[Antoine]

What's up guys...First of all I really need to spend more time here and get the MSP forums into high gear...I've already opened up what was known as "MSP General chat" which I renamed "MSP Lounge + Welcome area"...Although the MSP mods have got this place more organized than a library...it feels way to rigid...the whole point of forums are to enjoy exchanging information...of course some limits and rules must be enforced but trying to hard line everything is only going to drive people away....I want to this place to be a fun, free and enjoyable to post in but at the same time free of BS, Flames and idiotic posts...which is completely possible without forcing members with "thread queues" and nazi style deletions...

Stickied...

[Antoine]

Yeah...I think we need to bring back a viewable thread forum...keep some sub-forums but make the Lounge a main forum...or just have a main forum option to post in along with sub-forums like our Mazda3 members have...

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=142

It seems to work for them...

[Antoine]

Done...you guys should be able to post new threads below the stickies (remember what a main forum used to look like!?)...notice the "New Thread" button ;)

[II-Savy]

I have some suggestions. How about less suggestions. Seems like every week there is something new, or a new rule, or a new section. "Don't post here or I will delete it and you need to keep this clean, your posts will not be viewed without proper authorization and do this or I will........."

I don't know, maybe it's just me. lol Makes me afraid to post. Is it the right comment? Did I say the wrong thing? Is he mad now? Will my post be deleted? Will I get negitive rep now?(help)

Let's keep it simple.

[Antoine]

I have some suggestions. How about less suggestions. Seems like every week there is something new, or a new rule, or a new section. "Don't post here or I will delete it and you need to keep this clean, your posts will not be viewed without proper authorization and do this or I will........."

I don't know, maybe it's just me. lol Makes me afraid to post. Is it the right comment? Did I say the wrong thing? Is he mad now? Will my post be deleted? Will I get negitive rep now?(help)

Let's keep it simple.

Who are you referring to?

"Let's keep it simple" you said it right there...That's what it's all about!

[II-Savy]

Who are you referring to?

"Let's keep it simple" you said it right there...That's what it's all about!

no one person really. I've blown it up a bit...Simple is good. (rockon)

[jersey_emt]

Antoine, I'm going to be blunt here:

I don't appreciate what you posted here.

The subfolders were an idea that was implemented with your approval. Some people disagreed with them, some people loved them. Lately, it seems like more people disagreed with them. Which is completely fine. People are entitled to their opinions. Which is why I made the 'suggestions' thread in the first place.

But myself and t3ase have been enforcing them for such a long time now, which has made us 'unpopular' with a lot of the MSP section regulars. Again, not an issue, as it comes with the job.

But then you post in the MSP section with things like 'FREEDOM..REJOICE', and saying how things were 'too rigid'. The subforums were implemented with your approval. What you said now makes myself and t3ase look like the bad guys, and it makes us look like we made the subforums without administrator approval.

No post should have been made, except for maybe an announcement that the MSP general chat section, without first discussing it privately or in the staff forum. Being a moderator in the MSP section is hard enough, and now people are going to think even less of us.

If you think we were being too rigid, you should have confronted us privately, not in front of the entire community. It is embarassing, and makes the entire staff look bad, as it makes it seem like there is no communication between mods and admins.

Also, myself and t3ase have brought up the best 'compromise' solution several times in the staff forum -- displaying the most recent topics in ALL of the subforums in the 'main' MSP section. That way, people who disagreed with the subforums could have things 'the way they were', and people who liked them, could enter each subforum and see only the threads they wanted. This was never done. Which further makes the MSP mods seem like the enemy to the users.

[t3ase]

Antoine, I'm going to be blunt here:

I don't appreciate what you posted here.

The subfolders were an idea that was implemented with your approval. Some people disagreed with them, some people loved them. Lately, it seems like more people disagreed with them. Which is completely fine. People are entitled to their opinions. Which is why I made the 'suggestions' thread in the first place.

But myself and t3ase have been enforcing them for such a long time now, which has made us 'unpopular' with a lot of the MSP section regulars. Again, not an issue, as it comes with the job.

But then you post in the MSP section with things like 'FREEDOM..REJOICE', and saying how things were 'too rigid'. The subforums were implemented with your approval. What you said now makes myself and t3ase look like the bad guys, and it makes us look like we made the subforums without administrator approval.

No post should have been made, except for maybe an announcement that the MSP general chat section, without first discussing it privately or in the staff forum. Being a moderator in the MSP section is hard enough, and now people are going to think even less of us.

If you think we were being too rigid, you should have confronted us privately, not in front of the entire community. It is embarassing, and makes the entire staff look bad, as it makes it seem like there is no communication between mods and admins.

Also, myself and t3ase have brought up the best 'compromise' solution several times in the staff forum -- displaying the most recent topics in ALL of the subforums in the 'main' MSP section. That way, people who disagreed with the subforums could have things 'the way they were', and people who liked them, could enter each subforum and see only the threads they wanted. This was never done. Which further makes the MSP mods seem like the enemy to the users.
Ditto. If the members here only knew what it takes to be a mod here, they'd understand exactly how we feel.

Let me say that the changes that are made to this section, and for the sake of my point, the forum as a whole, all have to be done by an administrator. This is because as moderators, we only have very limited access to board functions. That said, there is a "Staff Only" subforum where the Mazda Forum Staff speak their minds about issues; the Mazdaspeed section being one very infamous one.

After several debates on more than several occasions, the staff, agreed to the changes that were eventually made. Due to a few members' "rebellious" behavior, we were forced to become strict about the changes. Again, this was done after yet another discussion with Antoine and the other admins.

I'm truly...pissed...for lack of a better description to have read Antoine's comments about all of this.

Antoine self-admittedly spends very little time on the forum yet when he does come on and theres a fuss, he defaults to the member side to make them happy. GOTTAHAVETRAFFICTOTHESITE!*%#^!$

Moderating on this forum is not a job for us.

Despite what some of you believe, we don't do this to piss you off or go on power trips. We don't get mad pixelated pussy because we can move threads. We don't get paid. We don't get free parts. We don't even get discounts on things. Hell, I can't even get a msprotege.com shirt or license plate frame out of Antoine, unless I pay just like anyone else.

There are few benefits to being a moderator. As a matter of fact, I'm finding it difficult to come up with any benefits other than the simple fact that we're contributing to the community.

As mods, we contribue to this forum in the same way any of you do, just in a different way; we play Mom and Dad. We pick up after some of you, we close threads when they get out of hand, move things where they need to be, and that's about all we can do. Since becoming a moderator, 90% of my time on here now is taken up by administrative moving, editing, handling member to member complaints, etc. I now miss good threads that I'd love to participate in because of the fact that I have to do these things.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy doing what I'm allowed to do. However, to do all of this and then come to see the owner of it all talking against us, to be blunt, it's fucked up. Extremely fucked up.

The typical user here comes on, checks threads, and leaves the site to go do whatever it is they do.

The mods that make changes here pretty much live on the forum whenever possible.

Gah, I don't know where I'm going now but I can say that the comments made are truly discouraging to not only myself but jersey as well.

Very discouraging.

[Antoine]

Turn down the drama dial a bit...only a few changes have been made so far...

Yes I agreed to make the changes initially and up until now we let you guys have a lot of freedom to setup (or suggest and have an admin implement) the MSP forum how you wanted it to be setup...I trusted you guys and I still do...as I have stated before it's really well organized...the problem is you guys are blinded by your own POV...to you it appears this is the best direction but in reality it's been dying a slow death as a community...although as a source of info it's great...the idea is to achieve both!

You may devote a lot of your time in the MSP section but consider I devote a lot of my time to this entire community...I will step in whenever and however I deem necessary to protect and preserve this site...Discussion is important but there are times when we just have to shut the F' up and move forward! You guys can discuss it and post "feedback" threads until you're blue in the face but in the end things just continue to worsen...Changes need to be made and that's what I'm doing...

I'm not trying to discourage you guys...I'm informing you of the changes that have already been decided...at the end of the day I have to make sure the bottom-line is always carefully maintained...

Have you two ever considered that you need a break? That you could possibly be "burnt out"? You guys are great mods but you need to relax a bit more and freshen up your view of the MSP section...

Enough discussion...Moving forward with the changes..trust me on this...

[jersey_emt]

Like I said in my much longer post in the staff forum, how can we be blinded by our POV when our POV hasn't even been fully implemented? (displaying the most recent topics in all the subforums in the main MSP section). I hated enforcing the half-completed solution we had here, but myself and t3ase continued to do so because our ideas, the ones that were approved by the administrators, were supposedly being worked on.

You need to trust us on this -- implement that single change, and all will be better.

By making changes without even discussing them with us, you run the risk of hurting traffic even more, and it makes myself and t3ase look like idiots for pushing the changes that were approved months ago (but never fully made) for such a long time.

This discussion needs to be finished in private. I'd very much appreciate it if you could remove all posts about this in the meantime, and just leave a simple message in the main MSP forum that the MSP General Chat section is renamed and reopened. Then, we can discuss everything in private as it should have done in the first place.

All I asked for when I posted in the staff forum yesterday was to have the General Chat subfolder re-opened, and to point you towards this suggestions thread. If there were any other changes you thought should have been made, they should have been discussed privately in the staff forum with us first, instead of basically ridiculing us in front of the entire community.

Thanks.