Kansas Fuel Issues - no more 91

[Chilledboost]

I live in manhattan kansas and there is some shit goin on. all of the fuel stations are no longer selling 91 octaine. i was wondering if i could run 89 in my msp.
but all the 89 octaine here has E10. will e10 hurt my motor. i tried calling mazda
but talking to one of their customer support is like talking to a retard. they dont know shit about the vehicles that their company produces.

[arab pinnochio]

i've been running 93 octane 2.30/gal...what all do you guys use?

[jeremyfl]

93 here in Miami but it is anywhere from 2.29 to 2.47....

What is e10

[PhreakV]

I'll try to talk to a service manager here in KC to try and get an unofficial word from Mazda... you need to try and get something in writing from Mazda on the issue so this may require a trip to the local dealership...

[msp35]

Load up on the Octane booster, 1/2 tank gas, 1/2 tank booster lol...

[Stormtrooper77]

That's a shitty deal. You'd be able to run the 89 but I wouldn't want to do that for very long.

What is e10?

You would need a lot of octane booster to make your 91.

Is there anywhere close to you that you could go that has the 91?

[mdaj]

WTF- I have not heard of anything like this.

[Lil Freek]

um... wtf? does your city not have ANY classy vehicles?
Ottawa's getting more and more stations carrying 93 and 94 octane, now... it should be increasing, not decreasing.

[PhreakV]

e10 is ethanol gasoline (to my understanding)... I'm going to make that call I promised now.

edit* and no there aren't many high-end vehicles there, Manhattan is a college town (K-State Wildcats for the sports fans) in the middle of BFE. nothing but rolling hills of crap for miles. to get there you go to the edge of civilization and head west for about an hour...

p.s. you mean to tell me that the BP that is just on the outskirts of town isn't carrying 92 anymore? this sucks, I am never going back there again, my friends can walk it...

[PhreakV]

just talked to my service manager friend and he told me that we should NOT use ethanol based fuels. (he told me to use 'emphatical' language, so caps it is)

e10 will hurt the motor (according to him) and we shouldn't use it.

[mspdfreak]

I run 93 @ $2.16 a gallon.

[Lil Freek]

usd$3.32/gal for 94 octane, here.

[evilmonkeyMSP]

wow...i gues this guy wont be driving anywhere...that sux

[CommieSpeed]

There is a dispute over ethanol and whether it is harmful or not, as there are some that claim it makes fuel burn colder. But IMO I would never run 89 in my car. Find a station that has 91 and make that you weekly stop. Or with this car, bi-weekly. haha

[Dr.Sound]

2 years ago this guy put 89 into his MSP and it would ping at high RPM.

[PhreakV]

I would contact a local Mazda dealership and get them to give you ideas as to what to do. if they try to tell you its okay then get them to give you a clearance and indemnification waiver saying that they approve your use of the fuel and that they accept responsibility to repair any damages it may cause...

p.s. have you checked Fort "whateveritis" to see if they aren't still carrying real car gasoline. I know they have had e85 for a long time but I can't imagine that they don't still have good gas as well...

[Chilledboost]

i had to drive to junction city to get fuel. (35 mile round trip) then after i did that i found that a diamond shamrock station here is not going to get rid of 91 because it is the best seller. but at 2.23 a gal its still a pain in the ass.
i found out that e85 has an octane rating of 115. i wish we could use that in our
cars. no more pinging

[JHew84]

i was under the impression that all octanes had a 10% level of ethanol in them? i'll check the pump the next time i fill up, and snap a pic with my camera phone if they do, i could be very tired from the end of a long day at work and not thinking straight, but thats what i'm thinking right now :p...

[TX Speed Demon]

If you don't have cats you could get some Xyelene at your local hardware store. Check out the paint section. It should be around $5. Attached is an excell spreadsheet I got from DiscreetSpeed that will calculate the octane rating when you just plug in the amounts of each type.

If you have cats it's bad to use this as it will fry them.

[PhreakV]

homebrew! (burnout) :D

[PHSMsp04]

When I bought my car from the dealer told me to put 89 octane in it. I just recently figured out that were supose to use 92. Ive had no problems, but im going to swap over to 92. can i just go and fill up with 92 next time or do i need to run it till its almost empty and drain it and start over. Sorry Im not the gas expert.

[Stormtrooper77]

When I bought my car from the dealer told me to put 89 octane in it. I just recently figured out that were supose to use 92. Ive had no problems, but im going to swap over to 92. can i just go and fill up with 92 next time or do i need to run it till its almost empty and drain it and start over. Sorry Im not the gas expert.

Your dealer = dumbass

It specifically says in the manual and on the car that it requires premium fuel. That means 91 octane or more. How long have you had your car? I would definitely recommend that you switch over to 91 or greater, 92 in your case.

[nvmsp]

Once put 89 octane in. ...smelled like shit. I immediately went to the next gas station and put 93.

[evilmonkeyMSP]

when I first bought my car they didnt have a chance to wash it until the next weekend so I brought it back. First I found out they filled it w/ 89 octane then...i got home & noticed my rims looked fucked... I took it back & they discovered that they used chemicals to clean the rims (no no) & it fucked up the finish. So they then had to purchase brand new rims for me :)

[PHSMsp04]

Ive had my car for over a year and a half. So its ok to just go fill up even though i still have 89 in it. Sorry for the dumb questions. Im just curious. Oh by the way what will this help or prevent, besides the apparent loss of power from a lower octane fuel.

Your dealer = dumbass

It specifically says in the manual and on the car that it requires premium fuel. That means 91 octane or more. How long have you had your car? I would definitely recommend that you switch over to 91 or greater, 92 in your case.

[PhreakV]

higher octane helps prevent detonation which can lead to blown engines.

it allows more assurance that you will burn all (more) of the fuel at the predisposed time when the engine expects it, which prevents bad things from happening :D

p.s. you can just fill up with higher grade from here on out (no matter what's in your tank now...).

[BOOSTR]

Several years ago a major magazine tested a few cars using 87 and 93 octane. All of the cars were designed to use Premium. In addition to some driveability issues, all of the cars made less than normal power on the non-Premium fuel.

[PHSMsp04]

Thanks for the info. Its gonna be 92 from here on out.

[rocketspeed]

Many car ECUs (cars designed for higher octane) will do stuff like pull timing on lower octane fuels. So the car will run fine, but you lose power.

I don't think the MSP's ECU is smart enough to do that, though, it probably just would ping.

[livelyjay]

Most cars with "good" software will pull timing when you put in lower than recommended octane fuel. The EVOs do that I know for sure. That would explain the poor performance. The MSP should do the same, but I wouldn't know since I'm new to the scene.

e10 is crappy ethanol addatives, which make your car run like ass. They use is in NY and it wasn't very nice to any car I had.

[quatelate]

91, 92???? wtf miami only gets 93 I WANT 92 AND 91 ALSO lol

[evolv]

Once put 89 octane in. ...smelled like shit. I immediately went to the next gas station and put 93.

TOO FUNNY

it is shit....LMAO

[Pmpkinhead]

I've been running 87 for 7 months. I still don't lose races and it isn't pingin'.(drive)


367 (mp3yellow (rockon)

[Hypnotized]

I was recently forced to run 89 in my car last weekend. There werent any gas stations around that had 93 available. They had the pumps but no damn gas. It runs the same IMO and UI havent experienced any pinging

[SpeedProtege]

i believe most fuels in michigan use e10. I've never had any problems. with the MSP or my previous Talon which was ran at 17 psi boost. If you read the millions of stickers it will say that the gas may contain or does contain.... and so forth.

and yea any car with a computer controlled igntion like the DSM 's or MSP's will have knock sensor that will pull timing if you put crap gas in. If you are running above stock boost then you def. want to run high grade gas cuz it wont pull timing fast enough for you to save the motor.

bryan

[thejoker0409]

I buy mistake put in a full tank of 87 nothing happened u have to remember these cars where masproduced turbo cars I would like to hope they would have taken such things into account

[trbomp5]

If you live anywhere around Indiana, the odds were you got ethenol in your gas. I'm the maintenance supervisor for Gladieux processing and we make/re-refine 90% of the gas used in the area. Ethenal is used as an octane booster, and yes 10% is the mix. The real octane booster thought is a chemical called MMT by the Afton chemical company. That is the most widely used octane booster in the industry.