Convince me to not buy a WRX and get a Mazda3 instead

[chimchim]

Since this is a Mazda forum, please convince me (if you want to) to buy a Mazda3 5dr instead of the 05 or 06 Subaru Impreza WRX wagon I'm leaning towards.

Me:
- coming from a reliable Honda Civic EX sedan
- I want a compact car
- This is my everyday commuter, fun drive, utility, family mover, lunch time napper, sometimes autocrosser, own it for 0-100k miles car.
- need the wagon or hatchback style for utility
- sunny california with no snow (but rain grip is important)
- budget $25-30
- want nav
- prefer AWD or RWD
- handling VERY important
- crash safety important
- will wait for 2006

[RonH]

Get the Subaru since you want all wheel drive, which the Mazda3 isn't.
Mazda it less money, but you have a large enough budget to handle the difference between the two.

Style wise, the Mazda3 hatch kills the ugly Subaru Station wagon/hatchback.

I still say get the Subaru WRX. It'll be trendy in Southern California and has a longevity reputation, since you might keep it for 100,000 miles.

[FSDET]

get the mazda3 since u can get navigation,xenon headlights its more stylish,better miles/gallon, better intrior,cheaper maintnance,more comfortable and imo its a lil better in autoX stock vs stock

[mobomelter]

get the wrx. it has alot more hp and a turbo. also the aftermarket is huge on the wrx.

[THEGOLDPRO]

can you guys convince me to eat a hot dog for lunch, or a hamburger for lunch....i just cant decide...

[Gambino]

get a 3. better mileage and great handling. plus, have you seen the 2006 wrx? I saw some redesigns for the 2006 sti and wrx and they look like an ugly hyundai.

[Prodigy]

can you guys convince me to eat a hot dog for lunch, or a hamburger for lunch....i just cant decide...
get the hamburger.. it's faster and looks cooler IMO

[II-Savy]

The WRX sounds like a lawn mower to me.

[Stormtrooper77]

Get the 3 and boost it with HiBoost.

[Gambino]

get the hamburger.. it's faster and looks cooler IMO

I agree. I just had three for lunch.....

[SubXer0]

The WRX sounds like a lawn mower to me
thats the best part about them that boxer engine sounds soooo sweet
i say get the wrx i love mazda to death but imo the wrx is such a better car for the money
the wrx wagon is going to be my next car either that or an evo
peace
dante

[fam]

if you have the money get the wrx, if youre not getting the turbo wrx then get the 3. Plain and simple. We love our 3s but if you got it spend it, or if youre smart, take the extra money youd save and buy me a turbo.

[chimchim]

Get the 3 and boost it with HiBoost.

It's not CARB approved though, so that's a no-go. I'm in CA and I'm not intent on paying off inspectors.

And I thought Mazda3 owners woulda put up a bigger fight, seeing that you must be into the Mazda3 enough to participate in this forum... (doh)

And for the few: AOL monoculture mentaily (smash)

[SubXer0]

/\ mazda is great, however for the money Imo no 3 is stacking up against a wrx theres just no comparasion i know that if i hadn't owed so much on the car that i traded for my protege i'd be riding in a wrx right now but still the protege and mazda vehicles in genral are great cars

[MSP#735]

WRX that is gonna much better suit your needs/wants!

[tsunami]

not sure what the packages are for the wrx but you can get nav stock on the 3 as part of a lux package... (i believe you also have to get leather) the wrx is faster but not that much better in autox... you said you wanted awd or rwd... well in this market(sport compact) there are no rwd cars so that leaves you with awd... and there you are limited to the sube and mitsu lines volvo if you want to spend more $$. have you seen the new design for sube? it is nasty... look it up... the 3 is much sexier... and as far as autoxing goes faster isn't always better... with a few engine mods (flywheel, exhaust, intake....1200$$ or so) the 3 will be funner to drive and you still saved yourself some cash b/c a loaded 3 is less then 25k and with some money to blow on aftermarket you will be happy!!!

[Mazda3Zoomer]

it's like trying to Compare the BMW 3-series with teh M3 series...

both very good cars but designed for different purposes completely...

[ebmp5]

if u can afford to get the wrx wagon

imagine with all the money u can save for modding the mazda 3 and make it as fast '

plus have u seen the hiboost dyno

i get the 3 but its up 2 u your pocket bro

[Lord_Zath]

I wouldn't buy either and stick w/my protege5. :)

[Alpinejwl]

WRX baby!

[DE31]

WRX
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/Apex174/Car%20Stuff/387cd1c3.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/687000-687999/687360_82_full.jpg


Tell me this aint sexy
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wNTMwNjMxNnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg

you gotta love the white wrx

[Antoine]

WRX comes down to more power potential (more easily at least) and awd but that's about the only plus point..The 3 is more about style and handling...an everyday fun car with more character than brute power...but where as a boosted wrx is obvious...a 250-300 hp boosted Mazda3 is not...and what about the Mazdaspeed3?

[J dragon]

^^^^That WRX is ugly as shit.......get the 6i if you want 2.3 liter of performance and sexiness ^_^

[MrDiggler]

I vote WRX. A co-worker has one and he loves it. I enjoy riding in it as well. Great power.

I just came off a 2 1/2 week stint with an '05 Mazda 3 2.3. It was okay, but I was very glad to get back into my MSP. It looks good, and the handling is not bad, I guess. This one had 17's on it, but the suspension wasn't all that great. Way too much body roll. I hated the speedometer orientation. I hated the headlights (very sharp cutoff that rears its ugly head on hilly roads.) The outward visibility was piss-poor compared to my Protege. The combination of a high beltline and small rear glass area really screws it up. The interior plastic (dash, door panels) is made of some funky material that looks good but shows tons of scuff marks whenever it's bumped. That would make me crazy if it were my car. Let's see... oh, do NOT get the automatic. It was marginal at best, and the car would pull scary slow from the bottom of second gear. Not impressed with the 2.3 liter at all. (Yes, I know I have a turbo). My stock '91 Escort GT with a 1.8 and 5-speed would give it a serious run for it's money up to 50 or 60 mph. Finally, the gas and brake pedals were way too close together and my foot would get hung between them, and there's no dead pedal.

On the plus side, it looked good inside and out. Fit and finish were excellent. Cargo and passenger space seemed more than adequate. The glovebox rocks!! You could put a golden retriever in there! The handling wasn't bad if you weren't really leaning on it. The 6-disc indash changer was pretty cool, unless you want something aftermarket. The controls were layed out pretty well.

Would I buy one? No. Over a WRX? Hell no.

[1sty]

If you have to have the power, then get teh WRX, it is untouchable by a 3 with minor mods.
However, it has to constantly lug that heavy AWD system around rather your using it or not so gas millage suffers.

Handlinf wise, I like the 3 better at stock but the WRX has enough support to make it a top perfomer on any track.

The one thing to remeber about Subaru is that you are only getting a 3 year, 36000 mile warrenty. Thats rather crappy compared to other brands today.

[chimchim]

Ah... getting much better. And that pic with all the girls makes the WRX very convincing, although I don't think they come as an option. Heh.

[SubXer0]

Ah... getting much better. And that pic with all the girls makes the WRX very convincing, although I don't think they come as an option. Heh
lol to bad they don't i want the one in the bottom right corner Mmmmm....
peace
dante

[mobomelter]

if for nothing else get the wrx for speed and awd. i'm sorry but i think there is very few people who would prefer fwd to a good awd or rwd car.

[Mazda3ofKent]

It's not CARB approved though, so that's a no-go. I'm in CA and I'm not intent on paying off inspectors.

And I thought Mazda3 owners woulda put up a bigger fight, seeing that you must be into the Mazda3 enough to participate in this forum... (doh)

And for the few: AOL monoculture mentaily (smash)
ted

The WRX has more going for out the box, it would be silly to say other wise, I like the looks of the 3 better and I can afford it better than a WRX, and I figuer with the turbo kit, I can get some good numbers, bottom line if i had the change for a WRX umm I dont know that New Charger looks cool

[chimchim]

Being my own devil's advocate, here are things in favor of the Mazda3:
- The Mazda3 has a Total Cost of Ownership (TCO) much lower than the WRX (purchase budget doesn't matter here)
- better fuel economy and uses 87 octane fuel (instead of 91)
- lower insurance
- lower maintenance cost
- longer wheel base 103.9 vs WRX's 99.4
- has a sunroof
- comes with nav
- about 230 lbs lighter than the WRX
- variable valve timing engine
- SU-LEV emissions
- better looking
- no turbo = less things to go wrong

[theice]

shouldn't the mazdaspeed 3 be out for '06? I'd want to see more info on that. It seems like it might be AWD like the MS6. Then, your decision will have already been made, you'll get the style, nav, handling & hopefully... all of this in a wagon. (lol2)

[ChopstickHero]

get the 3 ... it's almost better in everyway, except that it doesn't have a turbo and awd. but the interior is nicer, the styling is newer, better gas mileage, most likely cheaper insurance too.

[1sty]

THe only major reason I can see to go for the WRX is either because you hae driven it and just like it better, or you plan on doing power mods in which case very few cars today can touch the power potential of a WRX. There is simply a sea of simple to install mods that make real nice power. MOst are tried tested and proven at this point. Hell the most diffucult whing is deciding which of the 4 major vendors your going to go with. Vishnu, Turboxs, ecotec or Cobb. Plus there a bajesus more of them out there.

If your thinking about the 3, put power gains out of your mind. Its not going to happen. There is a very good reason that 99% of the people tha turboed there proteges kept them for less then 2 years afterwords. Its not a simple procedure and its just one long ass headache of crap going wrong. Even if its just little stuff. Plus the warrenty is istantly void and unless you have some real talent in your area, you will be on your own to deal with it all. Also, unlike a WRX, the 3 will not make big power with bolt ons. Like all current mazda's its just regualted to strickly by the ecu.

[Mazda3ofKent]

THe only major reason I can see to go for the WRX is either because you hae driven it and just like it better, or you plan on doing power mods in which case very few cars today can touch the power potential of a WRX. There is simply a sea of simple to install mods that make real nice power. MOst are tried tested and proven at this point. Hell the most diffucult whing is deciding which of the 4 major vendors your going to go with. Vishnu, Turboxs, ecotec or Cobb. Plus there a bajesus more of them out there.

If your thinking about the 3, put power gains out of your mind. Its not going to happen. There is a very good reason that 99% of the people tha turboed there proteges kept them for less then 2 years afterwords. Its not a simple procedure and its just one long ass headache of crap going wrong. Even if its just little stuff. Plus the warrenty is istantly void and unless you have some real talent in your area, you will be on your own to deal with it all. Also, unlike a WRX, the 3 will not make big power with bolt ons. Like all current mazda's its just regualted to strickly by the ecu.

IMO i think the mazda 3 will performe well with a turbo, becuase I am sure they had that in mind when the designed the MZR, the mazdaspeed 6 is going to use that engine so I think it has some potentional. just dont to expect to make more than 330hp

[1sty]

IMO i think the mazda 3 will performe well with a turbo, becuase I am sure they had that in mind when the designed the MZR, the mazdaspeed 6 is going to use that engine so I think it has some potentional. just dont to expect to make more than 330hp

THe mazdaspeed 6 has radicly different internals. The blocks are about the only thing even close to the same. The 6 will even have direct port injection. Nothing about the mazda 3's 2.3l engine was designed for boost. That aside, I am speaking in general. Any car that you add something like a turbo to in todays computer controlled age, is just one long abortion.

Most who have done it, won't do it again.

[FSDET]

1sty u dont have ur STI anymore ? which one of the 4 wrx vendors u think is better ?

[Mazda3ofKent]

THe mazdaspeed 6 has radicly different internals. The blocks are about the only thing even close to the same. The 6 will even have direct port injection. Nothing about the mazda 3's 2.3l engine was designed for boost. That aside, I am speaking in general. Any car that you add something like a turbo to in todays computer controlled age, is just one long abortion.

Most who have done it, won't do it again.
hmmm. i will take note of this, i know if i go that route i was going have to get new internals, but I was hopeing at low boost levels i could get away with it for the mean time, on a diffrent note, if I dont get the boost kit I looking into geting a Ducati Monster, how do you like your Katana?

[1sty]

1sty u dont have ur STI anymore ? which one of the 4 wrx vendors u think is better ?

I traded it in last week.

I was leaning toward CObb. Vishnu and TurboXA make the most power but there customers seem to eager to swap out of their systems soon after install.

ECUTECK and Cobb had a great plug and play advatage. No tuning or tweaking crap

[1sty]

hmmm. i will take note of this, i know if i go that route i was going have to get new internals, but I was hopeing at low boost levels i could get away with it for the mean time, on a diffrent note, if I dont get the boost kit I looking into geting a Ducati Monster, how do you like your Katana?

Worring about the internals is just the tip of the iceberg. Getting a water hose to not slowly cut itself because of the pressure the clamp must be to keep it from leaking in the first place. Not to mention, keep the hose from drying out and cracking open. Then there is the ever lovely smelling fuel while driving and you spend the next week looking for a leak that is impossible to find since its too small to leak exceot under pressure and the fuel evaporated before you can even open the hood. Lets also not forget how great it is as the various parts of the turbo and manifold start rusting together.

Simply put....ITS A LONG ASS LIST.

[chimchim]

I was leaning toward CObb. Vishnu and TurboXA make the most power but there customers seem to eager to swap out of their systems soon after install.
Where do you get this information?

I'm still torn between the two cars. The 160hp Mazda3 is quite adequate as a daily driver. No, it's not "fast" but at least I can merge from the 0-65 onramp without being smashed by traffic... or go from the stop n go non-carpool lanes to the 80 mph carpool lane. But everyone knows the thirst for power can never be quenched.

[Mr. Win]

buy the scooby.

[lcruz64]

http://www.saabusa.com/saabjsp/92x/index.jsp this is what I would get if I was looking for those specs and wanted to spend that kind of money.

[Hughes412]

You'll be able to pay the 3 off faster. Plus the money you save every month you can save up so that when your warranty is out you can go with the HI BOOST! 300-WHP (alright)

Or you could wait a yr and see what new cars come out. Some good stuff is coming.

[stdntDrvr]

buy the wrx. i wanted a wrx when i bought my p5...wife said "no"...so i got the p5 (i sold mazdas at the time)...wish i could have gotten a wrx...i love my p5, but i'd rather have a subbie

[Lord_Zath]

I test drove my friend's. Didn't feel right. Then I got back in the p5. Felt right.

[SubXer0]

Being my own devil's advocate, here are things in favor of the Mazda3:
- The Mazda3 has a Total Cost of Ownership (TCO) much lower than the WRX (purchase budget doesn't matter here)
- better fuel economy and uses 87 octane fuel (instead of 91)
- lower insurance
- lower maintenance cost
- longer wheel base 103.9 vs WRX's 99.4
- has a sunroof
- comes with nav
- about 230 lbs lighter than the WRX
- variable valve timing engine
- SU-LEV emissions
- better looking
- no turbo = less things to go wrong

seems like you basically have your mind made up
I stick with my original statement, buy the wrx!! thats what i'm doing anyway:)
but its your money so you should spend it how you see fit, with the things you have listed the 3 would be a much more practical car for you,
i can't remember but i thought you said you have a family which means more responsibilities,and more important things to think about than a car,
so a car like the 3 would probably be a better choice for someone with your circumstances(if they are like i said i can't remember lol)
but for someone like me with no family and basically only myself to worry about the wrx is great Imo
peace
dante

[1sty]

Where do you get this information?

I'm still torn between the two cars. The 160hp Mazda3 is quite adequate as a daily driver. No, it's not "fast" but at least I can merge from the 0-65 onramp without being smashed by traffic... or go from the stop n go non-carpool lanes to the 80 mph carpool lane. But everyone knows the thirst for power can never be quenched.
The 3's braking is actualy better if I recall the stats right. So is the handling. Just side notes.

Anything you ever wanted to know about these companies can be found on www.nasioc.com (http://www.nasioc.com). I pay close attention to the big braggers and what ends up happing to them and there cars. Even from local guys, most that mod heavily, just keep doing it. Nothing ever works aswell as its advertised when tuning is involved. After all, how can guys in California and Jersey tune to a New England winter? They can't. Thats why you should always look for people with experience with a product from your own region. Then look them up and talk personaly. They will typicly talk a very different stroy then they will on boards like this.

[cable43]

do it like they do down south..... keep it in the family!

[Hughes412]

do it like they do down south..... keep it in the family!


Oh thats just wrong, I'm telling my mommy, (HUNNY this guy is picking on us!)
(lol)

[stdntDrvr]

sadly, i'm from the south...and everyone in my office thought i married my cousin...AND THEY STILL HIRED ME...freaks.




do it like they do down south..... keep it in the family!

[chimchim]

seems like you basically have your mind made up
I stick with my original statement, buy the wrx!! thats what i'm doing anyway:)
but its your money so you should spend it how you see fit, with the things you have listed the 3 would be a much more practical car for you,
i can't remember but i thought you said you have a family which means more responsibilities,and more important things to think about than a car,
so a car like the 3 would probably be a better choice for someone with your circumstances(if they are like i said i can't remember lol)
but for someone like me with no family and basically only myself to worry about the wrx is great Imo
peace
dante

No... I don't have my mind made up actually (never done debate, eh?)... here's my self rebuttal:

WRX:
- 225 hp at a lower RPM and much more torque
- awesome crash safety record and very strong body (good for family)
- AWD
- a "driver's car with thought to details like TACH in the center
- better visibility
- enormous aftermarket support
- TCO is more but not that much more... hey you're established and in your 30's, treat yourself a little (not like you're getting a BMW)
- double DIN center stack can easily accomodate a nav
- still good enough mpg to not get hit by gas guzzler tax
- still an LEV vehicle
- as quoted by millions: "FRICKEN FUN TO DRIVE!!!"

[SilverBulletES]

Buy a Saab 9-2X !

a) Saab caché-- you might not care, but your wife or girlfriend and/or your penis might
b) with Subaru WRX reliability and modability
c) the turbos retail at $27 or 28 but they're supposedly going out the door for $19,000 right now!!! 7 grand discount! Because GM is in deep doo-doo.

[crossbow]

19.4k without haggling (GM discount). As low as 18-19k with heavy haggling. Same wrx drivetrain, same wrx chassis, same wrx engine...just saab body, saab interior, saab warranty.

[SilverBulletES]

19.4k without haggling (GM discount). As low as 18-19k with heavy haggling. Same wrx drivetrain, same wrx chassis, same wrx engine...just saab body, saab interior, saab warranty.

shut up! shut up! ;)

you're making me want to cheat on my beloved Protegé.
it's such a freakin' great deal!!!

no, I'm in for the long haul with my ES.
but the 9-2X will be a very tempting off-lease buy in a couple years.

[chimchim]

Yeah I'm looking at the Saab too. It's an incredible deal with the mark down. My concern is that it will be discontinued next year and I wonder if Subaru dealers also honor the warranty and do maintenance.

[Option]

Yeah, I'm in a pretty similar situation. I've decided to wait till September when the new mazdaspeed 3 will be debuted before I think too seriously about it. Here are a few other things to consider:

There are strong rumors that the 06 WRX wagons will have a sunroof option. I don’t know if you’re aware but the 06 WRX will be getting a 2.5 liter motor (detuned STI motor) which makes the same horsepower but A LOT more torque lower in the RPM range = easier for daily driving. 17” rims and better brakes will now be standard on the WRX and leather will also be an option. No word yet on how much of a price increase this will result in. As far as the new look of the WRX, wait to see it in person…I don’t think these low quality pics can give an accurate feel for the whole package.<O:p></O:p>

The only reason I’m still waiting for the mazdaspeed 3 is that I’m a sucker for HIDs, Nav and steering wheel mounted audio controls (none of which are available on the WRX) and the mazda will most likely make a smaller dent in my wallet.

[chimchim]

Yeah, I'm in a pretty similar situation. I've decided to wait till September when the new mazdaspeed 3 will be debuted before I think too seriously about it. Here are a few other things to consider:

There are strong rumors that the 06 WRX wagons will have a sunroof option. I don’t know if you’re aware but the 06 WRX will be getting a 2.5 liter motor (detuned STI motor) which makes the same horsepower but A LOT more torque lower in the RPM range = easier for daily driving. 17” rims and better brakes will now be standard on the WRX and leather will also be an option. No word yet on how much of a price increase this will result in. As far as the new look of the WRX, wait to see it in person…I don’t think these low quality pics can give an accurate feel for the whole package.<o ="">:p></o>:p>

The only reason I’m still waiting for the mazdaspeed 3 is that I’m a sucker for HIDs, Nav and steering wheel mounted audio controls (none of which are available on the WRX) and the mazda will most likely make a smaller dent in my wallet.

Ahhh... thank you very much. I've read several things about the 06 WRX, but never anything about the sunroof rumor.... mostly people b*&ching about the new nose.

The bigger engine will be nice, but I'm worried about paying even more at the mpg rating.

I agree, I think we are in a similar boat for this one.

As for the look, I'm ok with it. I don't think it's ugly. I just want it to not look frumpy. People may disagree that the 06 nose looks good, but I think they'll agree it's not frumpy. So... I'm a sucker for nav, but I don't care about HIDs or steering mounted controls. I don't want leather, so that's moot for me. So... I figure the WRX double DIN will fit the in dash nav systems.

I thought that the Mazdaspeed 3 will ONLY come as a coupe?

[1sty]

Where the hell do people get the idea that the STi has some lack of torque. That damncar easily double that put out by my 6 at any point in the power band. The car really couldn't be easier to drive. Power is basicly right there, always. Worst case, you wait 3 seconds for a massive surge unlike most cars where you wait 10 seconds for jack.


God damn I miss that car.

[Option]

Ahhh... thank you very much. I've read several things about the 06 WRX, but never anything about the sunroof rumor.... mostly people b*&ching about the new nose.

The bigger engine will be nice, but I'm worried about paying even more at the mpg rating.

I agree, I think we are in a similar boat for this one.

As for the look, I'm ok with it. I don't think it's ugly. I just want it to not look frumpy. People may disagree that the 06 nose looks good, but I think they'll agree it's not frumpy. So... I'm a sucker for nav, but I don't care about HIDs or steering mounted controls. I don't want leather, so that's moot for me. So... I figure the WRX double DIN will fit the in dash nav systems.

I thought that the Mazdaspeed 3 will ONLY come as a coupe?

Well the 06 WRX will have taller gearing and I'm guessing it's in an attempt to keep the gas milage from decreasing so I wouldn't expect it to change much if at all.

As far as the mazdaspeed goes, nobody knows for sure if it'll me a coupe or hatch but there have been spy shots taken of a mazda3 hatch with a makeshift hoodscoop:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=105417

http://channel4.com/4car/gallery/spyshots-2005/M/mazda/3-mps/mps.html

I don't know much about aftermarket nav systems but I'd imagine it'd be pretty expensive for a head unit/nav combo + install. Any ideas how much that would cost?

[RHAGEL]

What about a Legacy GT. I drove one, and was impressed. The WRX is very close in price and with the extra options on the Legacy, It may be worth it. You could get a 5 speed nicely loaded for $28.5k, and with slow sales, knock off an additional 2-3k if you do it right. It also comes in a wagon if that is what you really want. The only 2 things I would change right away is the stereo and if you get a MTX, get an STi short shifter. Just my 2 cents.

[apocman]

Where the hell do people get the idea that the STi has some lack of torque. That damncar easily double that put out by my 6 at any point in the power band. The car really couldn't be easier to drive. Power is basicly right there, always. Worst case, you wait 3 seconds for a massive surge unlike most cars where you wait 10 seconds for jack.


God damn I miss that car.

I thought you still had the STI????

[1sty]

What about a Legacy GT. I drove one, and was impressed. The WRX is very close in price and with the extra options on the Legacy, It may be worth it. You could get a 5 speed nicely loaded for $28.5k, and with slow sales, knock off an additional 2-3k if you do it right. It also comes in a wagon if that is what you really want. The only 2 things I would change right away is the stereo and if you get a MTX, get an STi short shifter. Just my 2 cents.
Why pay $28k for a legacy when you can have an STi for less then $32K?
Not to mention, the WRX is 5-6k less then the legacy and the 3 is 7-8K less.

[1sty]

I thought you still had the STI????Nope, it has been gone for 2 weeks now.

[sprayed03mp5]

do you have 2 grand to replace the transmission when it blows up, but you can get piss loads of power out of them and the aftermarket supports them like crazy. the mazda3 is less expensive and probably more reliable with the mods you can do to (short of 100 shot of nitrous of course) plus 30mpg is not bad at the pump vs about 18. that is about it

[FlyinMSP]

how about the mazda6 sportswagon? it's very cool and with little suspension mods it should handle very nicely...

[RHAGEL]

Why pay $28k for a legacy when you can have an STi for less then $32K?
Not to mention, the WRX is 5-6k less then the legacy and the 3 is 7-8K less. I left out the STi because it was over $30k but the last ttime I checked a decently loaded wrx was is about $25k, without leather or sunroof and 16" wheels. IMO it is just too much.

[RHAGEL]

how about the mazda6 sportswagon? it's very cool and with little suspension mods it should handle very nicely... I Agree.I don't know about in San Jose, but at Long Beach Mazda they are offering $7k off the wagons, that is a hell of a deal.

[1sty]

do you have 2 grand to replace the transmission when it blows up, but you can get piss loads of power out of them and the aftermarket supports them like crazy. the mazda3 is less expensive and probably more reliable with the mods you can do to (short of 100 shot of nitrous of course) plus 30mpg is not bad at the pump vs about 18. that is about it

I have yet to see a WRX tranny blow that didn't have a chuckle head shifting it. Anyone that tries continuos launches with it gets what they deserve. Its not a race car, thats what the STi is for :D

[1sty]

I left out the STi because it was over $30k but the last ttime I checked a decently loaded wrx was is about $25k, without leather or sunroof and 16" wheels. IMO it is just too much.

That doesn't sound that bad to me if it compares to a mazda 3, acura RSX, eclipse, or one of a handful of other cars with the same options but no where near the engine, no all wheel drive, and none of the modability.

[Antoine]

This thread is actually interesting!...See, it is possible to have a car comparison type thread without busting into flames...:D

Keep it going guys (thumb)

Side note...1sty why did you give up the sti and what are you driving now?

[1sty]

Side note...1sty why did you give up the sti and what are you driving now?
Someones guily of not reading the whole thread.

In essence I came to the conclusion I was spending too much on the STi. The Car payment was near $600/month, it only got around 20 miles a gallon (usualy less) and needed 93 octane. Plus registation on it was $500/year and I was in need of brake pads, rotors, and probably tires within a year. That all added up along with my typical 1.5 year itch for a new car led me to shop for a Mazda 6. I ended up with a 6s that is rather loaded for $200/month less the what I was paying for the STi.

In hind sight though, I shouldn't have done it. The deal just wasn't that good (but they never are in the north east) and I am now just looking to mod the 6 for handling and more power, which I really wasn't modivated to do in the STi.

[II-Savy]

1sty that sucks.....the STI was nice I bet. ...I want one.

FYI
The 3's braking, Roadholding and fuel econ are all better than a WRX....also no question the 3 interior is way nicer. The WRX is faster though....

[DE31]

what kind of tires does the 3 come with? all season?

[RHAGEL]

That doesn't sound that bad to me if it compares to a mazda 3, acura RSX, eclipse, or one of a handful of other cars with the same options but no where near the engine, no all wheel drive, and none of the modability. I agree, I just think that the WRX is too expensive for what it is. I would consider it if my pocket could handle the cost. Performance wise the wrx is a good deal. The cons are: like I said (no leather, no 17" wheels, no moonroof) unless you pay extra. But then your talking $30k. If yourt going to go that route, you might as well buy an STi or Legacy. Mazda 3 is an awesome deal for the price, but if you want a little more a Legacy GT or Mazda 6 is also good deal. As far as the RSX & Eclipse; the RSX is too small, but nicely appointed and the Eclipse is an overweight wanna be sports car, ugly piece of shit. (getting hyped up while sipping my JD Manhattan)

[Mazda3ofKent]

what kind of tires does the 3 come with? all season?
some gross goodyears

[mobomelter]

rsa's. they suck.

[chimchim]

I just test drove the WRX wagon and Legacy GT wagon today. Unfortunately, this was from a dealer in a crowded city and I couldn't do anything with the car except get on the freeway. Sure I felt the straight line acceleration, but I was interested in handling too.

The power is addictive and acceleration was effortless for the 3100 lbs vehicle. You would never have known that the car is 300lbs heavier than the 3. But then again, I didn't open my wallet to fill that gas tank.

I've test drove the 3 last year. Both trunks on the 3 and WRX are small and narrow but the cabin felt more crampt in the WRX than the 3. Visibility was better on the WRX, but I miss the sunroof of the 3.

I've got big complaints about the WRX interior. It looks ok, and the seats or nice and supportive. But the whole inside FEELs like a gutted race car with an interior custom fitted to it... rather than the 3's interior which feels like it never was a naked chassis (like most cars with nice interiors). Both had flimsy feeling doors; like sheet metal and bars, in contrast to the airlock like doors of a Lexus (our other car).

The throw on the shifter was WAY too long for a car of this type and felt imprecise. The short shifter upgrade clearly is a must. The 3's shifter on the other hand is noticeably shorter and notchier... although a bit tough. I never accidently went from 2nd to 5th in the 3 like I did with the WRX.

I amazed at how small the WRX actually is.. and just how much weight it has to carry around. Can it really be just because of AWD? Plus turbo?

Wow. I though the WRX testdrive would convince me. But now I'm teetering even more than before. The Legacy was nicer because it didn't feel so cramped and had even more power. But I don't want all the posh-feeling stuff. I want a functional car. The WRX has a lot of track functionality, but the 3 has a lot of daily driver functionality.

[rodslinger]

I could not live with a WRX on a daily basis. The turbo lag on those things is borderline dangerous. I know mods can improve that but it shouldn't be that bad to begin with. If you've driven an auto version you'll definately know what I mean. The 2.5 turbo in the Legacy GT and Forester XT are nice motors and I felt should be the standard engine in the WRX. The turbo 2.slow should have been put in the base Impressa. Don't get me wrong, the WRX moves when it gets up in the RPM's but to me isn't a useful engine for a daily driver.

Just for kicks go test drive a WRX wagon in an auto. From a stoplight just mat the pedal. I swear you can brew a good cup of coffee before that thing gets through the intersection.

[RHAGEL]

I just test drove the WRX wagon and Legacy GT wagon today. Unfortunately, this was from a dealer in a crowded city and I couldn't do anything with the car except get on the freeway. Sure I felt the straight line acceleration, but I was interested in handling too.

The power is addictive and acceleration was effortless for the 3100 lbs vehicle. You would never have known that the car is 300lbs heavier than the 3. But then again, I didn't open my wallet to fill that gas tank.

I've test drove the 3 last year. Both trunks on the 3 and WRX are small and narrow but the cabin felt more crampt in the WRX than the 3. Visibility was better on the WRX, but I miss the sunroof of the 3.

I've got big complaints about the WRX interior. It looks ok, and the seats or nice and supportive. But the whole inside FEELs like a gutted race car with an interior custom fitted to it... rather than the 3's interior which feels like it never was a naked chassis (like most cars with nice interiors). Both had flimsy feeling doors; like sheet metal and bars, in contrast to the airlock like doors of a Lexus (our other car).

The throw on the shifter was WAY too long for a car of this type and felt imprecise. The short shifter upgrade clearly is a must. The 3's shifter on the other hand is noticeably shorter and notchier... although a bit tough. I never accidently went from 2nd to 5th in the 3 like I did with the WRX.

I amazed at how small the WRX actually is.. and just how much weight it has to carry around. Can it really be just because of AWD? Plus turbo?

Wow. I though the WRX testdrive would convince me. But now I'm teetering even more than before. The Legacy was nicer because it didn't feel so cramped and had even more power. But I don't want all the posh-feeling stuff. I want a functional car. The WRX has a lot of track functionality, but the 3 has a lot of daily driver functionality. Well, I guess it sounds like you have your mind made up. The 3 is an awesome car, and with smaller payments you will have some extra dough in your pocket.

[1sty]

I agree, I just think that the WRX is too expensive for what it is. I would consider it if my pocket could handle the cost. Performance wise the wrx is a good deal. The cons are: like I said (no leather, no 17" wheels, no moonroof) unless you pay extra. But then your talking $30k. If yourt going to go that route, you might as well buy an STi or Legacy. Mazda 3 is an awesome deal for the price, but if you want a little more a Legacy GT or Mazda 6 is also good deal. As far as the RSX & Eclipse; the RSX is too small, but nicely appointed and the Eclipse is an overweight wanna be sports car, ugly piece of shit. (getting hyped up while sipping my JD Manhattan)

Its not even paying extra but paying after the fact as the moonroof and leather are not even options. Although, each will only be in the $1000 range so with paying 2-3% over invoice you should still be able to get it well shy of $30K

[chimchim]

Well, I guess it sounds like you have your mind made up. The 3 is an awesome car, and with smaller payments you will have some extra dough in your pocket.

You might consider me to be really nitpicky... but I actually do not have my mind made up. In fact, the decision is even more muddled. Now the Legacy wagon is in the equation! Ack!

KEEP THIS DISCUSSION GOING!

[Lord_Zath]

If you want a wagon, get a Mazda 6 wagon. Subarus are nice but damn overpriced, especially their outback and legacy lines...

[RHAGEL]

You might consider me to be really nitpicky... but I actually do not have my mind made up. In fact, the decision is even more muddled. Now the Legacy wagon is in the equation! Ack!

KEEP THIS DISCUSSION GOING! All I know is that if I have the money at the end of this year, I will be buying a Legacy instead of a 3. I cant deny the 250 hp turbo and the awd.

[RHAGEL]

Its not even paying extra but paying after the fact as the moonroof and leather are not even options. Although, each will only be in the $1000 range so with paying 2-3% over invoice you should still be able to get it well shy of $30K Actually, the wrx has a premium package option that adds moonroof and but heaters, but its like $1,250. And you could get aftermarket leather added at the dealer so it will be part of the invoice, but of coarse you will pay a premium.

[RHAGEL]

If you want a wagon, get a Mazda 6 wagon. Subarus are nice but damn overpriced, especially their outback and legacy lines... I disagree, I think that the Subaru wagons are priced very reasonably. You figure that you add awd and 30 more hp, you will have to pay for it somehow. If the 6 wagon did not have any incentives, it would be priced only about $2k cheaper than the Legacy or Outback. Now if you consider the incentives, yes the 6 is an awesome deal.

[Lord_Zath]

Hey it's your choice. Do what you feel is right for you.

[stdntDrvr]

subaru...most people here trade their cars in on them...there's a reason for this.

[chimchim]

subaru...most people here trade their cars in on them...there's a reason for this.

Are you saying people are trading in their subies for something else?

[chimchim]

Actually, the wrx has a premium package option that adds moonroof and but heaters, but its like $1,250. And you could get aftermarket leather added at the dealer so it will be part of the invoice, but of coarse you will pay a premium.

The WAGON does NOT COME WITH A PREMIUM PACKAGE OFFERING OR SUNROOF FROM THE FACTORY.

This is a huge disappointment for me and has really made me hesitate on the WRX. Sunroof SERIOUSLY makes a car nice to be in... especialy for the driver.

[Lord_Zath]

Sunroof also adds to resale value later on...

[tsunami]

my last 2 cars had sunroofs, and my first two did not... i loved all 4 equally but man i deffinatly love openin the roof on a nice summer day and feelin the sun beat down on you is great... i know i would love a convertable but just not practical in the north east... (or i need to make more money to have 2 cars... but i would by a truck before a convertable) anyways yes sunroofs are nice and thats to bad sub doesn't offer one, must be for chasis rigidity or something like that....

[DE31]

The WAGON does NOT COME WITH A PREMIUM PACKAGE OFFERING OR SUNROOF FROM THE FACTORY.

This is a huge disappointment for me and has really made me hesitate on the WRX. Sunroof SERIOUSLY makes a car nice to be in... especialy for the driver.the legacy's sunroof is soo nice. its a double panel sunroof where the front tilts up and the back slides back in the wagon. gets soo much sunlight in. you gotta see it its huge. not as big as the cadillac srx but its larger than most of the other cars out there.

[chimchim]

There is one thing that would make the 3 wagon serious bump the WRX for me. An LSD.

And yes, I'm willing to pay the 1k more for it.

Since I live in California and never go up to the snow, AWD is really more for acceleration stability than snow/offroad/roughroad/etc

[mountjonas]

Since I live in California and never go up to the snow, AWD is really more for acceleration stability than snow/offroad/roughroad/etc

i think it's the other way around.

[DE31]

what hes saying is in his case it would be more for acceleration/stability

[theice]

I think you should seiously be considering the Saab 9-2x aero. It's a a Saab WRX wagon that has the sunroof option as well as leather, a much nicer looking interior, you wont have just another WRX, plus that discount is great right now. Hell I might see if I can trade in the p5.

Saab 9-2x aero: starting @ $27,645.

Saab Employee Discount Price: $19,425.00

And with further haggling, this is a steal.

[DE31]

i dont know if you guys know this already but they did revise the interior for 05. to me it looks exaclty the same except for the door accents.

saab
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/2005/Saab/100395587/20021930-E.jpg

Subaru
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/636000-636999/636801_14_full.jpg

[1sty]

The center dash section is the major difference in the interior now.

[chimchim]

Actually... I don't want the leather. But like I said before, I am seriously considering the Saab. (although I'll miss the tach in the center... and can you get the triple gauges installed in the 9-2x?)

Anyways... I will be buying around august... which means I might be in time for an 06.

'course if there are any 9-2x around by then the might even be dirt cheaper!

[theice]

i dont know if you guys know this already but they did revise the interior for 05. to me it looks exaclty the same except for the door accents.


well, the 2-tone leather in the Saab looks tite as opposed to the Subaru's sport cloth (notcool)

[DE31]

ya i know it looks nice.

[RHAGEL]

I think you should seiously be considering the Saab 9-2x aero. It's a a Saab WRX wagon that has the sunroof option as well as leather, a much nicer looking interior, you wont have just another WRX, plus that discount is great right now. Hell I might see if I can trade in the p5.

Saab 9-2x aero: starting @ $27,645.

Saab Employee Discount Price: $19,425.00

And with further haggling, this is a steal. Thats a good point, you get everything you want plus it has better sound dampening and a smoother ride. Not to mention the interior is nice, IMO better than the 3. I think the biggest downfall for the 3 is the lack of interior color options. I just don't know about black, I had a white 626 with tan leather and it was nice. Stayed cooler in the summer and had a touch of class.

[Lord_Zath]

yes it was nice looking when it wasn't dirty I agree.

The black's ok as long as they do a good job on it i.e. the protege interior :)

[MrDiggler]

sadly, i'm from the south...and everyone in my office thought i married my cousin...AND THEY STILL HIRED ME...freaks.

I've met you guys, and you did look an awful lot alike...

(gossip)

[MrDiggler]

what kind of tires does the 3 come with? all season?

I think the one I had as a loaner had Goodyear Eagle RS-A's on it. 17 inch. They weren't as bad as I'd heard they were.

[tsunami]

I think the one I had as a loaner had Goodyear Eagle RS-A's on it. 17 inch. They weren't as bad as I'd heard they were.


correct and they do suck.... no warning when they start to give first you have traction... then your sideways... kinda wierd the first couple of times.. i deffinatly recomend upgrading once you wear them out... or you upgrade your wheels...

[RHAGEL]

yes it was nice looking when it wasn't dirty I agree.

The black's ok as long as they do a good job on it i.e. the protege interior :) My Proteges interior is awesome. Even though it is black it has enough silver to break it apart. The 3 looks too depressing. If I end up getting one, the first thing I am going to do is do some painting and add some more silver back into the interior, and hopefully be able to get black trim leather seats with silver suede inserts. I hope it to look something like the 9-2x's.

[MrDiggler]

correct and they do suck.... no warning when they start to give first you have traction... then your sideways... kinda wierd the first couple of times.. i deffinatly recomend upgrading once you wear them out... or you upgrade your wheels...

I never did lean on it as hard as I do with my car. Glad now that I didn't!

[Lord_Zath]

My Proteges interior is awesome. Even though it is black it has enough silver to break it apart. The 3 looks too depressing. If I end up getting one, the first thing I am going to do is do some painting and add some more silver back into the interior, and hopefully be able to get black trim leather seats with silver suede inserts. I hope it to look something like the 9-2x's.

(werd). Also keep in mind it'll be incredibly tough to change out the 3 or 6 head units...

[ZoomVT]

Hey fellas this is a sweet discussion, somehow i stubmed upon it and i actually ended up reading the whole thread. I wasnt aware what a sweet deal the saab is. I may have to look into it, i have beent hinking about trading my 04 mz3 for a couple of months now but i couldnt thnk of a car i really wanted.
The dealer here deals both Mazdas and Saabs so they could prob take my mz3 for a good amount and put it towards the saab.
I like the 2 tone leather interior and the increase in hp is excellent; i cant wait to go test drive it.

[RHAGEL]

(werd). Also keep in mind it'll be incredibly tough to change out the 3 or 6 head units... I like the idea of the steering wheel controls, so I will probably keep the stereo stock and just add a 4 channel amp and some nice speakers. At least with the 06' 6, it looks like the stereo will be easier to change.

[tsunami]

the hu in the 3 and 6 i really don't mind the looks of them, they are all integrated so they are a pain in the ass to change if thats what you want, but with the steering wheel controls and volume leveling and the fact thay it isn't just a deck sitting in a hole (like most cars, even my gf's 04 corrolla's hu looks like shiat) i prefer its look to that of an after market hu and with a good quality loc i can do all the stereo mods i want....

also i just saw an add today for the 9-2x and it was 16479 (not sure on options but damn!!!) thats about 1500 less then my 3 brand new.... seriously thinking of going for a drive to do a test drive.... love my 3 but for that price its at least a look....

edit*** i didn't read the FINE PRINT must have been the non turbo model... :(

[Lord_Zath]

Steering wheel controls is fun. I had it in my old Trans Am.

But you can always get an adapter for most aftermarket radios for steering wheel controls, or you could always *gasp* reach over to the HU :)

[mobomelter]

the only thing that would you would have to worry about on a saab is parts are more expensive and i don't believe their is ANY aftermarket for saab's.

[rodslinger]

the only thing that would you would have to worry about on a saab is parts are more expensive and i don't believe their is ANY aftermarket for saab's.

But this Saab isn't a Saab. The 9-2x is essentially a rebadged Subaru with cosmetic surgery. (ala Cadillac Cimmaron/ Chevy Cavalier, Lexus ES300/Toyota Camry, Nissan Sentra/ Infinity G20)

[Protege52003]

Get the Saab 9-2X aero.......my vote!

-R

[Mr. 4500 RPM]

in a wrx...your be called a ricer...in a mazda 3 youl get laid on the twisties!

[Protege52003]

in a wrx...your be called a ricer...in a mazda 3 youl get laid on the twisties!

....and you would be called a yuppi driving the Saab!

[SubXer0]

in a wrx...your be called a ricer
whoever calls someone driving a WRX a ricer is on crack
a wrx is like anti-rice i've never seen a ricey one
thats like calling the STI and evo rice you'd be an idiot if you did
peace
dante

[Lord_Zath]

(rice)

[SubXer0]

lol

[Mr. 4500 RPM]

whoever calls someone driving a WRX a ricer is on crack
a wrx is like anti-rice i've never seen a ricey one
thats like calling the STI and evo rice you'd be an idiot if you did
peace
dante

well seing as that most of the wrx owners ive seen around, besides having amazing cars, seem to have a hard on for being asshole or full of themselves. but not all of them. i do see a lot of older woman and men driving them. but a lot of the young teens/early adults i see think they are hardcore for having a wrx. no offense to wrx's or their owners just an observation from people my own age. i love the car and know it has amazing potential but just throwing this out there. yes its hard to make a wrx seem rice but rice just is not about the car...its a state if mind as well for the owner/driver, or so i think.

[SubXer0]

i just call them being obnoxious arrogant people, i wouldn't call them rice most bmw and mercedes drivers are arrogant bastards that act like they own the road but a bmw is NOT rice
on the other hand you have people that drive cars like civics corrollas and yes proteges who act the same way, they have gawdy bodykits and huge mufflers and thousands of stickers and no performance mod's, but somehow in their minds they own the road and they think they are the fastest thing on the planet those cars i
call rice.....wrx, bmw etc yeah those people are jerks alot of the time but they imo can back it up its no excuse but their cars can at least move the other cars i mentioned same goes for them except their cars are rediculously slow
thats just my opinon tho
peace
dante

[RHAGEL]

I think that the only thing that is rice about the WRX & EVO are the spoilers on the back. I am not 100% sure, but it seems they are for looks and create little downforce; to me thats rice. Even if the spoiler is functional, these cars a built to rally and last time I checked there is no additional downforce needed for that. But I do agree with whoever was saying that rice is all in the individual car. I've seen some tacky ass bimmers and even recently a CTS-V.

[SubXer0]

these cars a built to rally and last time I checked there is no additional downforce needed for that.

huh?

[Prodigy]

I think that the only thing that is rice about the WRX & EVO are the spoilers on the back. I am not 100% sure, but it seems they are for looks and create little downforce; to me thats rice. Even if the spoiler is functional, these cars a built to rally and last time I checked there is no additional downforce needed for that. But I do agree with whoever was saying that rice is all in the individual car. I've seen some tacky ass bimmers and even recently a CTS-V.

http://sinuhe.jypoly.fi/~piespa/globe/rally/paradise/pics/2004/finland/fin04_img_4118.jpg (http://sinuhe.jypoly.fi/%7Epiespa/globe/rally/paradise/pics/2004/finland/fin04_img_4118.jpg)
it may not be needed, but every rally car pic I pull-up has a spoiler.

[RHAGEL]

http://sinuhe.jypoly.fi/~piespa/globe/rally/paradise/pics/2004/finland/fin04_img_4118.jpg (http://sinuhe.jypoly.fi/%7Epiespa/globe/rally/paradise/pics/2004/finland/fin04_img_4118.jpg)
it may not be needed, but every rally car pic I pull-up has a spoiler. I see, I guess that because the car is stripped down it is much lighter it needs all the help it can get. I'm not much of a rally fan so I guess I should try paying attention before I make any comments.

[mRfung]

i dont know if this crazy offer you guys speak of for this Saab is even happening in canada..unless of course they arent mentioning it on their webby and keeping it hush hush. where is it you guys saw this crazy price?
(shrug)

http://www.gmcanada.com/ssi/static/english/vehicles/2005/saab/92x/92x_overview.html?pc=t6j-2e7&lang=&saab=on&showminimal=&showOnly=

[chimchim]

Back on topic: My friend, who owns a 3s 5door, says he's only getting 25 mpg. And he drives like a grandma and won't go over the speed limit on the freeway. That's not that much worse than a WRX. Can 3 (5door) owners tell me what you get?

[theice]

It's most likely US-only offer, see the US site. Bottom left of this page. It's the "Employee Discount for Everyone" offer.
http://www.saabusa.com/

[theice]

Back on topic: My friend, who owns a 3s 5door, says he's only getting 25 mpg. And he drives like a grandma and won't go over the speed limit on the freeway. That's not that much worse than a WRX. Can 3 (5door) owners tell me what you get?
but the WRX requires premium fuel

[chimchim]

but the WRX requires premium fuel

True, but environmental impact is similar.

[theice]

True, but environmental impact is similar.
I'm thinking more of the impact on my wallet...

[1sty]

Mazda just released a $500 rebate for any current owner of a mazda.

[Familia323]

get the hamburger.. it's faster and looks cooler IMObut the hotdog is lighter weight and is more aerodynamic on the way to your mouth so its lack of power is only relative.

[chimchim]

but the hotdog is lighter weight and is more aerodynamic on the way to your mouth so its lack of power is only relative.

Oh, so funny.

So apparently some people need it spelled out. Most people would put more thought into the hotdog/hamburger IF IT COST THEM $20,000 - 25,000.

[mRfung]

Originally Posted by Familia323
but the hotdog is lighter weight and is more aerodynamic on the way to your mouth so its lack of power is only relative.
that comment is too funny though

[Familia323]

Oh, so funny.

So apparently some people need it spelled out. Most people would put more thought into the hotdog/hamburger IF IT COSTED THEM $20,000 - 25,000.
I'm sorry, define "costed" please. If it is this complicated to decide, then it sounds like you need to come up with a better idea of what you want in a car. Because in my opinion if you are going to mod it the choice is clear(wrx=more potential for cheaper), and if you are going to leave it stock for a reliable commuter, then again the choice is clear(Mazda3 cheaper initial investment and better gas mileage). No one can decide for you, and I know I wouldn't want to be "convinced" to buy a car. From the first post it sounds like you already made up your mind anyway.


"that comment is too funny though"
I thought so too. :)

[ZoomVT]

I'm thinking more of the impact on my wallet...

i drive a 3s 4 door and i am getting 19-21 mpg if im lucky.

[ZoomVT]

Mazda just released a $500 rebate for any current owner of a mazda.

Link?

[Gambino]

i drive a 3s 4 door and i am getting 19-21 mpg if im lucky.

I also drive a 3s 4 door, however, my last tank I got 30.7 mpg. My dad drives a 3i and he averages between 34-38 mpg

[chimchim]

No one can decide for you, and I know I wouldn't want to be "convinced" to buy a car.

Sorry, but it's clear you don't get it. Do you really think I'm sitting here with my $20-25k saying to myself, "oh, I don't know which car, I'll post up a poll and let the people of the forum decide for me."

In case anyone hasn't figured it out yet, the net forums are great for BRAINSTORMING. And that's what this thread is for. Yet another thing I didn't think needed to be spelled out.

[SubXer0]

Sorry, but it's clear you don't get it. Do you really think I'm sitting here with my $20-25k saying to myself, "oh, I don't know which car, I'll post up a poll and let the people of the forum decide for me."

In case anyone hasn't figured it out yet, the net forums are great for BRAINSTORMING. And that's what this thread is for. Yet another thing I didn't think needed to be spelled out.

simmer down simmer down(friday) some people have differn't views i'm with that other comment i wouldn't let other people influence my decision on buying a car i'd buy what i want but of course thats my view.... (headbang)
peace
dante

[tsunami]

Mazda just released a $500 rebate for any current owner of a mazda.


what? linkage or explanation would be great... i could use 500$$ !!! (dance)

[theice]

what? linkage or explanation would be great... i could use 500$$ !!! (dance)
I'm sure you'd have to buy another Mazda.

[tsunami]

is this what you are talking about?

its a graduate rebate only on 05 models and you must have graduated this year or are graduating in 6 months


Get $500 Customer Cash¹ when you purchase a new and unused 2005 Mazda vehicle.

When you buy any new and unused 2005 Mazda you can get $500 Customer Cash! Isn't it time you found out what upward mobility is really about? Need more information? Call 1-800-639-1000.


Take new retail delivery from dealer stock by 7/05/2005.

¹ $500 College Graduate cash back available on purchase or lease of any new and unused 2005 Mazda vehicles (Offer excludes Certified Pre-Owned Vehicles).

Limit one per customer. Qualified customers must be within six months of graduation or have graduated within the last one year from one of the following: accredited junior or community college with an associates degree, an accredited college or university with a bachelors degree, an accredited nursing school with a bachelors in nursing degree, an accredited graduate school with a masters degree, doctorate degree or are currently enrolled in graduate school. Mazda reserves the right to discontinue this promotion for any reason at any time.

[1sty]

NO.
I just got another one in the mail which I have to try and get reaplied to my car.

If you currently own a mazda there is a $500 rebate from mazda if you buy another. You can trade in your current car to take advatage of this.

This rebate is effective 5/31-7/31

[tsunami]

i don't want another one, i just want the 500$$ eh oh well....

[Familia323]

Sorry, but it's clear you don't get it. Do you really think I'm sitting here with my $20-25k saying to myself, "oh, I don't know which car, I'll post up a poll and let the people of the forum decide for me."

In case anyone hasn't figured it out yet, the net forums are great for BRAINSTORMING. And that's what this thread is for. Yet another thing I didn't think needed to be spelled out.

Is it about brainstorming, because it was spelled out in your title "Convince me to not buy a WRX and get a Mazda3" ? Perhaps you would have been better off saying... "Brainstorming between a WRX and Mazda3".. I was just giving my opinion... which, if I understand you correctly, was what you were asking for. This is of course, according to your clearly spelled out title. Carry on and good luck with your decision.

[wastegate_3s]

Personally I think regular wrx's are ugly buy a 3s(sedan lol) or wait til the mazda speed 3 or even the mazda speed 6 but the 6 will probably be a little more expensive...just my .02

[chimchim]

Is it about brainstorming, because it was spelled out in your title "Convince me to not buy a WRX and get a Mazda3" ? Perhaps you would have been better off saying... "Brainstorming between a WRX and Mazda3".. I was just giving my opinion... which, if I understand you correctly, was what you were asking for. This is of course, according to your clearly spelled out title. Carry on and good luck with your decision.

Look, you still don't get it. By titling the thread "convince me..." it incites more of an emotional response compared to the benign and scientific "brainstorm". What will get a better response: "tell my why your car doesn't suck" or "let's brainstorm".

So let me spell out things even more: this is my brainstorm, but I want people to defend their cars... the feeling of being "challenged" can often get people to push a little harder to find defending reasons.

All said, I appreciate the "concern" that everyone should be making their own decisions. I have yet to see anyone really blindly take the majority dictation to be their decision; so really, it just breaks the momentum and focus of the thread.

[Gambino]

I think its time to stop (bicker) and just (fight) I am kidding, but you two are getting nothing accomplished by this and i am getting kind of annoyed....personally

[Familia323]

I think its time to stop (bicker) and just (fight) I am kidding, but you two are getting nothing accomplished by this and i am getting kind of annoyed....personally

no worries.. I'm done.

[spec5protege]

Think about how much you are going to be doing each thing you want your car to do? For example, if you're going to use your car for grocery-getter/daily commute 95% of the time, then money-wise you'd be better off getting a cheap MZ3 and a used Miata, which would whip either car's butt in Auto-X, and you wouldn't be stuck driving to work on premium gas. Also, no matter what the mpg states on the WRX, it's all over the place in real life, with many of us getting <18mpg if we *never* enter boost on that tank. (I know - I spent many a day in 4th gear at 30mph lol for a whole tank lol...)

But! Subaru is now #1 in quality for 2005+ models: ahead of Toyota and ahead of Honda. Personally, I don't feel that anybody beats Subaru in terms of safety, either - there have been many crazy stories and pics of people who have walked away from crashes they should not have, let alone the official ratings from the IIHS etc...

[1sty]

But! Subaru is now #1 in quality for 2005+ models: ahead of Toyota and ahead of Honda. Personally, I don't feel that anybody beats Subaru in terms of safety, either - there have been many crazy stories and pics of people who have walked away from crashes they should not have, let alone the official ratings from the IIHS etc...

Word

[Gambino]

I would also definately say all things considered to go with the WRX.

[mountjonas]

look up the guy that got absolutely crushed in between two big rigs in his wrx and lived to tell about it. that, among other things, convinced me that the wrx is going to be my next car. although i've seen a few people roll their proteges and come out with minor scratches.

[Lord_Zath]

sounds interesting. Link? Does the 3 use Mazda's "triple-H" frame construction like with the protege and protege5? If so, look up the story about a guy rolling down a mountain and living to tell the tale :)