Sunroof

[Fede_italiano]

Guys,

Do SPEED come with standard sunroof?

Thanks

[Crock]

No. you can have an aftermarket one installed but it's a very bad idea.

Do a search for more info.

[Rawyzf]

Why's it bad....I love mine.
No. you can have an aftermarket one installed but it's a very bad idea.

Do a search for more info.

[Devilspawn]

This again....I luv mine too! It was/is a great idea!

[Rawyzf]

This again....I luv mine too! It was/is a great idea!

I just don't see the problems...unless you are auto x'er or a road course racer. But none of those guys have moonroofs, regardless of the make/model.

-Ryan

[Crock]

A sunroof will directly cut out a major structural support beam. You risk chassis-flex because the MSP is a high powered vehicle (especially speaking in terms of a protege). Of course, performance mods will add to this issue.

If you roll the vehicle, which I found out is not difficult to do when the people around you decide to disregard stop signs, a sunroof installation will probably mean the difference between walking away and dying.

This has been discussed at length, most recently here (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111334).


For those of you already with a sunroof, I hope you enjoy them and I very much hope you keep all four tires on the ground at all times. For those of you who don't have one, it would be a good idea to keep it that way.

[mspdfreak]

^^^he's right.

[MP3Architect]

will probably mean the difference between walking away and dying.

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wow, well i know i dont know of EVERY accident that a 3rd gen protege has been in but all the ones ive ever seen on here EVERYONE has walked away. these are safe ass little cars. P5's, mp3/msp's, and the base models. Id give anything to have a sunroof. thats the only thing the car didn't come with that i wanted when lookin at buyin a car.

[murph1379]

A sunroof will directly cut out a major structural support beam.

Has anyone cut into the roof and could verify this? Proteges come with sunroofs as a stock option, they wouldn't cut straight through anything important to put that in, would they?

[jurgs01]

Both me and my girlfriend would be dead right now if my first MSP had a sunroof. You can get one, but drive safe.

[murph1379]

Both me and my girlfriend would be dead right now if my first MSP had a sunroof. You can get one, but drive safe.

???

And you know this because some highway safety person told you this or something? I don't understand how you could feel remotely qualified to make a statement as absolute as that.

[jurgs01]

Uh...Ok man.

[murph1379]

Guys the roof is a piece of sheet metal. There's obviously crossmembers at the windshield and the rear glass, and the A-pillars are there, but what's in between? Sheet metal. The glass is probably better for rigidity than that!

On the pic of the above crash, can you tell if there's a crossmember above your head? It sure doesn't look like it to me. I'm just sick of people assuming things based on what they think makes sense without thinking about it first. The car does come with this option stock. They're certainly not adding crossmembers as part of the mazdaspeed package.

Please tell me there's more actual evidence than this.

[Notorious]

Other sedan variants with the moonroof have 2 support beams instead of the MSPs single beam to compensate for the sunroof. It is undeniable if you have a sunroof that cuts through the support beam it will be weaker than one that was left alone.




wow, well i know i dont know of EVERY accident that a 3rd gen protege has been in but all the ones ive ever seen on here EVERYONE has walked away. these are safe ass little cars. P5's, mp3/msp's, and the base models. Id give anything to have a sunroof. thats the only thing the car didn't come with that i wanted when lookin at buyin a car.

[Mutmatt]

weaker... not necessarly completely flimsy... i'm sure the makers of the moonroof...s have some engineering behind them b4 they go and cut into the roof support beem... that is just my opinion feel free to resume where i came in. just my .02 $

[jurgs01]

Other sedan variants with the moonroof have 2 support beams instead of the MSPs single beam to compensate for the sunroof. It is undeniable if you have a sunroof that cuts through the support beam it will be weaker than one that was left alone.

Yes. I'm pretty sure ours is an H-beam support.

[chuyler1]

I don't understand people sometimes.

If you want a manual...buy a car with a manual.
If you want a moonroof...buy a car with a moonroof.

[murph1379]

Other sedan variants with the moonroof have 2 support beams instead of the MSPs single beam to compensate for the sunroof. It is undeniable if you have a sunroof that cuts through the support beam it will be weaker than one that was left alone.

"Sedan variants", do you mean the protege and the P5, or other cars entirely? Do you know for sure the MSP has a single beam, or are you talking out of your ass?

I still haven't seen anyone comment intelligently on this issue with any evidence or even authority. I should call the sunroof company and find out if they have to cut or add support beams.

[murph1379]

If you want a manual...buy a car with a manual.
If you want a moonroof...buy a car with a moonroof.

The stupid thing HAD a moonroof, we just put it back in.

[Notorious]

Yes I mean the protege. I don't know for sure on the p5 although I'm sure it is the same.

The MSP does have a single beam and I know this for sure. Dr Sound's rollover it is visable and it saved his life. I don't have a picture on my work computer, but its floating around on the boards.

Edit: found it http://www.netsnapshot.com/pcw/b?KEY=15&ACCOUNT=14867

The beam is clearly visable. Also another MOCC guys sunroof cut into the beam, and he knowly did it.


"Sedan variants", do you mean the protege and the P5, or other cars entirely? Do you know for sure the MSP has a single beam, or are you talking out of your ass?

I still haven't seen anyone comment intelligently on this issue with any evidence or even authority. I should call the sunroof company and find out if they have to cut or add support beams.

[Notorious]

No. It did not have a moonroof. They aren't going to put a moonroof in, only to have it removed later.

These are how they come into the ports.



The stupid thing HAD a moonroof, we just put it back in.

[jurgs01]

I still haven't seen anyone comment intelligently on this issue with any evidence or even authority. I should call the sunroof company and find out if they have to cut or add support beams.

How can you accuse people of not commenting intelligently when you have contributed nothing? Do some research. We don't want a sunroof.

[JJmp5]

I work for a salvage yard and we have mitchell books showing different parts of a car. in a P5 it shows to have a front and rear reinforcement, and a sedan shows to only have a center reinf. also not saying I know everything about cars but that is what is in the crash books.

[Dr.Sound]

.........LMAO @ n00bs who dont know how to use search.

hey murph1379, see that bar? it saved my life.

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Dr.Sound/Baby/roof.jpg

why do u think top of the line model like MSP didnt come with sunroof from factory?
because engeneers there did not feel safe putting one on.
sunroof company will make u sign a waiver limiting their responsibility.
they will only cover leaks, not you compressed spine.

[UnNaturalinc]

why do u think top of the line model like MSP didnt come with sunroof from factory?
because engeneers there did not feel safe putting one on.
sunroof company will make u sign a waiver limiting their responsibility.
they will only cover leaks, not you compressed spine.

They probably didn't put in a sunroof for the same reason they didn't put in cruise control (which I don't think there is an actual reason). Didn't some Proteges come with sunroofs? What would be the difference if it was an MSP or not? Lots of factory cars come with sunroofs, targa, convertible, etc... If they wanted a sunroof and wanted it safe it could be done. Aftermarket is another story. Although it looks as if there is plenty of room to put one in front of that bar. :shrug:

[Dr.Sound]

..........If they wanted a sunroof and wanted it safe it could be done.
yeah, but they would not redesign a roof on a car that has one year of existance left.

[ChopstickHero]

i had a moonroof in my p5, now i have a msp. it's not something that i missed that much. maybe only used it to really vent the car when i parked in the sun.

[Crock]

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Crock/crash/IMG_0388%20(Small).JPG
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Crock/crash/IMG_0389%20(Small).JPG

You can be the safest driver in the world (like me) but it only takes one asshole to flip your car over.

/thread

[evolv]

They probably didn't put in a sunroof for the same reason they didn't put in cruise control (which I don't think there is an actual reason). Didn't some Proteges come with sunroofs? What would be the difference if it was an MSP or not? Lots of factory cars come with sunroofs, targa, convertible, etc... If they wanted a sunroof and wanted it safe it could be done. Aftermarket is another story. Although it looks as if there is plenty of room to put one in front of that bar. :shrug:

I partially don't agree. No sunroof, No cruise, plastic i/c pipes, intercooler farmed from a turbo diesel euro truck, = MONEY SAVINGS.

Mazda spent a tonn of $$ developing the MSP, so to keep the cost down and make it affordable they skipped on a few items (see list above).

As far as the sunroof is concerned, it was omitted to keep structural integrity in place. The MSP was designed to be a true sports sedan and to keep handling at its best, structural integrity is a MUST.

Don't believe me, go ask Racing Beat....

[UnNaturalinc]

I partially don't agree. No sunroof, No cruise, plastic i/c pipes, intercooler farmed from a turbo diesel euro truck, = MONEY SAVINGS.

Mazda spent a tonn of $$ developing the MSP, so to keep the cost down and make it affordable they skipped on a few items (see list above).

As far as the sunroof is concerned, it was omitted to keep structural integrity in place. The MSP was designed to be a true sports sedan and to keep handling at its best, structural integrity is a MUST.

Don't believe me, go ask Racing Beat....

What I was saying is you can have a sunroof w/ out making the car loose structural integrity. As we all know, there are a large number of high-end cars that have sunroofs and other open roofed setups that are completely safe and handle like a racecar. Safer and better handling than a Protege. Lamborghini, Ferrari, Porsche, Lotus, Bugatti, Mercedes, etc, etc. A Mazda sedan is pretty small potatoes in the big picture of vehicles.

The MSP came w/ out ANY options what so ever to keep costs down. If they can make batches of cars with out any specific changes they build them for a cheaper price. To add a sunroof would add even more cost to an already expensive sport sedan. I mean really, there's only so much you can charge for a FWD 4-door grocery getter. But having a sunroof is obviously more than possible, just not reasonable. I would not have spent an extra 2k or whatever for my MSP to have a sunroof.

*I don't mean to sound like I'm bashing on Mazda, the Protege, or the Mazdaspeed project. I absolutely love my car and it's capabilities. I realize it is just a souped up sedan however. :)

[Rawyzf]

So...you think having a moonroof there woulda collapsed the whole thing?
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Crock/crash/IMG_0388%20(Small).JPG
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Crock/crash/IMG_0389%20(Small).JPG

You can be the safest driver in the world (like me) but it only takes one asshole to flip your car over.

/thread

[mp5typer]

the MSP is a high powered vehicle


Hehe

[Dr.Sound]

So...you think having a moonroof there woulda collapsed the whole thing?
yes

[Mysta316]

how? if you are not cutting support beams you dont affect support. That beam in the roof is far enough back that you could put a sun roof in no problem, with out cutting that beam. the spot ware the sun roof would go is just sheet metal.
Notes how your side roof beams did not smash down more then a inch. The only way your roof is going to totally claps is if your car was dropped right on its top. and that would have to be from a ways up. The roof beams are a very strong part of your car.

[jurgs01]

how? if you are not cutting support beams you dont affect support. That beam in the roof is far enough back that you could put a sun roof in no problem, with out cutting that beam. the spot ware the sun roof would go is just sheet metal.
Notes how your side roof beams did not smash down more then a inch. The only way your roof is going to totally claps is if your car was dropped right on its top. and that would have to be from a ways up. The roof beams are a very strong part of your car.

Do you have proof that the support beam is not in the way?

[Rawyzf]

Do you have proof that the support beam is not in the way?

Can you feel the support beam through the underside of the roof? If so, I will check to see if mine is missing behind my moonroof.

I just can't see them cutting it out completely.

My guess would be maybe....just maybe...they cut part of it out and weld in the rectangle shape of the moon roof.

[Mysta316]

Do you have proof that the support beam is not in the way?

from looking at that pic there is more then 13in of room for a sun roof.
http://www.sunroofdoctor.com/popupkits.htm

[Rawyzf]

from looking at that pic there is more then 13in of room for a sun roof.
http://www.sunroofdoctor.com/popupkits.htm

I have a moonroof, so that would be totally different.

Couldn't the beam be behind the opening, but then under the glass when it slides back?

[Mysta316]

I have a moonroof, so that would be totally different.

Couldn't the beam be behind the opening, but then under the glass when it slides back?

Not all sunroof have to slide the glass inside the roof. they can slide over the out side of the car.

[Notorious]

Theres a guy on this board that used to have a MSP and had a sunroof. He said that they had to trim the support, and it was noticeble when cornering that they had.

[Crock]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crock
the MSP is a high powered vehicle




Hehe

When I said high power vehicle, I meant for a Protege. Obviously it's not as highly powered as some other cars.




So...you think having a moonroof there woulda collapsed the whole thing?


It was a relatively low-speed accident. With a moonroof there instead of the car's original roof, it would have come down much lower and caused serious injury to my head/neck/life. Just look at the picture and decide for yourself.

It's also good that I'm very tall.


P.S. I could show you many more pictures if you want.

[Crock]

Hey Vic, we're never going to convince these kids this is a bad idea. It's like trying to stop people from smoking. It's painfully obvious how deadly it is but people want to do it anyway.

(dunno)

[PhreakV]

[not fully educated opinion]
could the design change for sunroof'd proteges vs the msp come from the fact that the sunroof slides into the roof for the other models? since it slides in that would seemingly necessitate that there isn't a bar there, correct?
from the pics that people have posted of the wrecked msp-s, it seems as though there is a bar there but that there is a crapton of room in front of it as well. why wouldn't it then be possible to put a flip-up sunroof in that space without compromising structural integrity? while I realize that a solid sheet of metal is more structurally sound than one with a piece of glass inserted, I would imagine the difference (based on my engineering/physics experiences) to be minimal in the equation where the forces acting on the roof are such as they were in those accidents...

in the end, wouldn't it be possible to install a flip up sunroof in the space in front of the bar without compromising the apparent anti-death integrity of the Proteges?
[/not fully educated opinion]

[UnNaturalinc]

Hey Vic, we're never going to convince these kids this is a bad idea. It's like trying to stop people from smoking. It's painfully obvious how deadly it is but people want to do it anyway.

(dunno)

How is it obviously deadly though? I see no potential health hazard involved in this if done properly. If you are cutting/removing/altering safety pieces, then that is a safety issue. If you are not doing anything that affects safety pieces, then it's not a safety issue. There is room to fit a sunroof with out cutting that beam. Sun and moon roofs are available in a quantity of sizes.

I am not a sunroof expert and don't know every specific detail of doing this, but if i were going to do such a thing to my vehicle I would talk to numerous shops before actually 'going under the knife'. Any legit business that does this kind of work would not just go hacking up safety parts like it was nothing. I would also never suggest or do any sort of modification that alters the safety of a vehicle.

I don't mean to argue or beat a dead horse, I'm just not seeing the problem if this is done in a safe manor. Adding aftermarket sunroofs is by no means a new concept :-/

[Dr.Sound]

Hey Vic, we're never going to convince these kids this is a bad idea. It's like trying to stop people from smoking. It's painfully obvious how deadly it is but people want to do it anyway.

(dunno)
yeah.....unfortunately

[Dr.Sound]

from looking at that pic there is more then 13in of room for a sun roof.
http://www.sunroofdoctor.com/popupkits.htm
yeah......but what about the motor and motor harnes??
have u thought about that.
the main reason they cut or trim the beam is to allow the motor housing to fit.

[Dr.Sound]

how? if you are not cutting support beams you dont affect support. That beam in the roof is far enough back that you could put a sun roof in no problem, with out cutting that beam. the spot ware the sun roof would go is just sheet metal.
Notes how your side roof beams did not smash down more then a inch. The only way your roof is going to totally claps is if your car was dropped right on its top. and that would have to be from a ways up. The roof beams are a very strong part of your car.
dude, as the car rolls the forces are applied on the sides first, if there is no beam going across to connect the sides (like the beam in the roof) THEY WILL COLLAPSE!

so OK, u will not suffer direct head injury, it will just squish you from the side and fold over you......i guess it will break you neck and rib cage first.

[Dr.Sound]

in some instances the beam is cut......in others the beam is trimmed.

EITHER WAY THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY THAT WAS TAKEN INTO EFFECT WHEN THE CAR WAS DESIGNED IS COMPROMIZED.

when i was rolling i saw my A-pillars compress.
the plastic A-pillar cover even popped out on the passenger side as the car rolled from the roof onto its right side. at that moment the pillar cover popped out because the whole right side flexed.
but guess what? the only reason it didnt break is because the roof beam prevented the side pillar beams from reaching their breaking points.

a-pillar on right side:
(check out the A and C pillars, they are trashed, BUT B-pillars are like nothing touched them....u know why? because B-pillars are connected by the roof beam)

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Dr.Sound/roofmsp.jpg

another shot of the pillar:

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Dr.Sound/baby/pillar.jpg

and to all you doubters: F-YOU

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Dr.Sound/baby/thumbsup.jpg

[UnNaturalinc]

For the third time... I have not said anything about removing or cutting the support beam, nor did Mysta316. We both said the very opposite. If you don't change safety parts of the car then safety is not an issue. If you do affect those parts, then it is an issue.

I know that beam is there for safety, I have never said otherwise. I would say anyone would be stupid for altering that part. To be honest, I don't think that should even be legal to do. I sure as heck would not touch that beam on my own car.... never. I would never post here in public view saying to do something to alter safety (not to mention under a company name. heh).

Sunroofs come in a variety of sizes and shapes to accommodate different applications.


*I've looked at those pics a ton of times... that is one nasty wreck. :shakeshead: wow

[Dr.Sound]

i know, but every sun roof that i know of that was installed on MSP required cutting or trimming of the suppor beam.

whatever........i have no physical proof that the roof will actually collapse....only deductive logic and laws of physics.

i dont know any MSP with a sunroof that was involved in a roll-over collision.
......although i know of one that jumped up 5 feet going 120 mph that had a sunroof, but he didnt flip over........only his whole roof missaligned.

[chuyler1]

Any legit business that does this kind of work would not just go hacking up safety parts like it was nothing.

Any business would be happy to take your money and hack up your car...you'd be surprised.

[Protege52003]

......if you want a sun-roof, get one!

if you are going to roll your car, i don't think having a sun-roof will really make a difference....

my $ .02

-R

[Dr.Sound]

if you are going to roll your car, i don't think having a sun-roof will really make a difference....

my $ .02

-R
did u like miss every post i made?

[D-rock240]

Any business would be happy to take your money and hack up your car...you'd be surprised.

I know a mechanic who tricked a customer into a new perfomance exhaust.

The customer brought his car in to have the timing belt replaced, and the mechanic started pressuring him to get a new exhaust. The customer told him that he didn't want to do anything to the exhaust unless it needed it (the exhaust was fine).

So the customer left to go to work, and the mechanic then took a blow torch to the pipe and put a softball-size hole in it. When the customer came to pickup the car and started it up, the car was ten times louder. The customer was pretty pissed, saying "It sure as hell wasn't that loud before!" The mechanic convinced the customer that while he was test driving it there must have been a pothole he drove over, and offered $200 off the exhaust.

The customer figured that it must have been a freak occurance and accepted the deal. Some mechanics will bend the rules in order to get your money.

[Notorious]

Seriously, did you read anything or did you just make a post.




......if you want a sun-roof, get one!

if you are going to roll your car, i don't think having a sun-roof will really make a difference....

my $ .02

-R

[UnNaturalinc]

Yeah, there's more to it than "just getting one". There's generally a right and wrong way to do most anything.

[jurgs01]

/Americans achieving all time low scores on reading comprehension section of SAT/

[Dr.Sound]

^ lol

[evolv]

In defence to the DONT PUT A SUNROOF IN.. heres something to fathom.

The 1st gen RX-7 was available as an after market convertible. One company did an exceptionally good job with the conversion. In order to keep the structural integrity, they stripped everything out of the car and re-inforced the floor with cross members. 3 to be exact.

With the beams and added roll bar, body twisting was kept to a minimum and the car handled like a dream.

Anything you do to the roof of a car reduces the structural integrity. In order to maintain that strength you must increase support elsewhere. This is why the RX-8 and the 2006 Miata's are structurally supported in the floor. If you're serious about the sun roof / moon roof... whatever... you better be thinking of increasing the strength of the cars body to prevent twisting, especially during a crash or worse a roll over.

The spicy that rolled (see pics above) didn't end up with a crushed roof because there is a beam in the roof, but because that beam is structurally connected to the B pillars which are connected to the unibody floor.

[Tito1]

Maybe not taking you car into a ditch, or getting into a situation to roll the car multiple times would be a start.Wtf are you guys doing to your cars. Now I know I wasn't there, but man, the driver has got to be responsible for something if they are getting into crashes that severe.
I've driven with all kinds of folks...and we never ended up in a flipped vehicle. Maybe your driving like the Explorer/blown tire folks. Hit a bump...get scarred...turn the wheel violently into a ditch. Does this sound familiar???
I think this is what protege52003 meant. Not flipping in the first place is the best way not to 'walk away or die.'

I don't doubt the sunroof argument, but again, the sunroof isn't what makes your car go flip de' flip.

[jurgs01]

I was going about 10 MPH over the speed limit during my roll over. I came around a corner, car was in my lane coming head on, swerved to avoid head-on collision, hit a fence/ditch and started rolling. Could have happened to anyone. The only thing I did wrong was going too fast. I was not going that fast though.

[marashka]

Maybe not taking you car into a ditch, or getting into a situation to roll the car multiple times would be a start.Wtf are you guys doing to your cars. Now I know I wasn't there, but man, the driver has got to be responsible for something if they are getting into crashes that severe.
I've driven with all kinds of folks...and we never ended up in a flipped vehicle. Maybe your driving like the Explorer/blown tire folks. Hit a bump...get scarred...turn the wheel violently into a ditch. Does this sound familiar???
I think this is what protege52003 meant. Not flipping in the first place is the best way not to 'walk away or die.'

I don't doubt the sunroof argument, but again, the sunroof isn't what makes your car go flip de' flip.

pardon my rudeness, but ignorance is overfilling your post. Some situations you can not control, like a deer jumping out in front of your car on a one way canyon without any type of fence to protect you from falling over the edge. i would like to hear you talk after you survive a crash like that one of dr.sound's.

As much as I enjoyed sunroofs on all of my previous cars, I would never install one at a cost of altering a support beam, after seeing Dr.Sound's car in person. ANY alteration to that beam would undoubtedly collapse the roof, and the driver would not just get out of the car and clime back up a ~150 feet back to the road on his own after rolling numerous times.

If one wishes to get a sunroof on an msp there is no convincing him otherwise, some people will only learn on their own mistakes, and will never accept wiser and more experienced advice

[Mysta316]

dude, as the car rolls the forces are applied on the sides first, if there is no beam going across to connect the sides (like the beam in the roof) THEY WILL COLLAPSE!

so OK, u will not suffer direct head injury, it will just squish you from the side and fold over you......i guess it will break you neck and rib cage first.

I did not say anything about taking that beam out. I said there is enough room to put on in while leaving that beam in.

I worked at a car rental company in the maintenance dept. and we got rolled over cars all the time. We had a bad one not that long ago, a Pontiac G6 with the sun roof that goes all the way from the front to the back. "no beam in the middle" and the roof was not smashed. it was doing 70mph down the freeway when the front tire blew out the driver lost control and the car flipped over 2 times. the sun roof was open and all the driver and passengers got were a few bumps.

and on a side note, what made you go off the side of the road in the first place?

[Notorious]

Yeah, because I'm sure Dr. Sound got up in the morning and said "I'm going to flip my car today."





Maybe not taking you car into a ditch, or getting into a situation to roll the car multiple times would be a start.Wtf are you guys doing to your cars. Now I know I wasn't there, but man, the driver has got to be responsible for something if they are getting into crashes that severe.
I've driven with all kinds of folks...and we never ended up in a flipped vehicle. Maybe your driving like the Explorer/blown tire folks. Hit a bump...get scarred...turn the wheel violently into a ditch. Does this sound familiar???
I think this is what protege52003 meant. Not flipping in the first place is the best way not to 'walk away or die.'

I don't doubt the sunroof argument, but again, the sunroof isn't what makes your car go flip de' flip.

[Crock]

Maybe not taking you car into a ditch, or getting into a situation to roll the car multiple times would be a start.Wtf are you guys doing to your cars. Now I know I wasn't there, but man, the driver has got to be responsible for something if they are getting into crashes that severe.
I've driven with all kinds of folks...and we never ended up in a flipped vehicle. Maybe your driving like the Explorer/blown tire folks. Hit a bump...get scarred...turn the wheel violently into a ditch. Does this sound familiar???
I think this is what protege52003 meant. Not flipping in the first place is the best way not to 'walk away or die.'

I don't doubt the sunroof argument, but again, the sunroof isn't what makes your car go flip de' flip.

Open your mind and realize that there are a countless number of situations that could happen on the road at any time.

My rollover was not caused in any way by my driving too fast or dangerously. Someone decided to run a stop sign which caused the driver next to me, who was going in the same direction as me, to swerve into my lane....hitting my front quarterpanel. I had nowhere to go because this road has no shoulder. The angle at which his car hit mine somehow rolled my car over.

At the moment of impact I was going ~30 and the speed limit was 45.

[Protege52003]

did u like miss every post i made?

i did read all posts before i made my statement......



That beam in the roof is far enough back that you could put a sun roof in no problem, with out cutting that beam. the spot ware the sun roof would go is just sheet metal.



this was quoted and i should have said this in my post.


Seriously, did you read anything or did you just make a post.

i sure did notorious


i think any aftermarket place would install the moon/sun roof infront of the cross beam and would not cut through it.......

sorry in my post before......

[Notorious]

^^ ahh, I see your point. But where would the motor go? If you can fit a small sunroof there without cutting into the beam, great. But most places I believe would just trim the support to fit the motor in there.

[Dr.Sound]

Yeah, because I'm sure Dr. Sound got up in the morning and said "I'm going to flip my car today."
LMAO!


pardon my rudeness, but ignorance is overfilling your post. Some situations you can not control, like a deer jumping out in front of your car on a one way canyon without any type of fence to protect you from falling over the edge. i would like to hear you talk after you survive a crash like that one of dr.sound's.

As much as I enjoyed sunroofs on all of my previous cars, I would never install one at a cost of altering a support beam, after seeing Dr.Sound's car in person. ANY alteration to that beam would undoubtedly collapse the roof, and the driver would not just get out of the car and clime back up a ~150 feet back to the road on his own after rolling numerous times.

If one wishes to get a sunroof on an msp there is no convincing him otherwise, some people will only learn on their own mistakes, and will never accept wiser and more experienced advice
;)

and any of you guys that are contemplating on getting a sunroof.......i'll give you the exact location of the ravine where my car is STILL lying (2 years later), go see it. if that doesnt change your mind then this thread sure won't.

[Protege52003]

The Thread Question:


Guys,

Do SPEED come with standard sunroof?

Thanks


we got a little off topic to the initial question in regards to safety but i am sure having a sunroof correctly installed is not going to cause any structural damage to the car.....

-R

[ottawaP5]

LMAO!


;)

and any of you guys that are contemplating on getting a sunroof.......i'll give you the exact location of the ravine where my car is STILL lying (2 years later), go see it. if that doesnt change your mind then this thread sure won't.

They never got it out of there somehow?

[UnNaturalinc]

and any of you guys that are contemplating on getting a sunroof.......i'll give you the exact location of the ravine where my car is STILL lying (2 years later), go see it. if that doesnt change your mind then this thread sure won't.

Are you serious!? LOL That's awesome. If it was any closer I'd come get some parts off it.... I need an extra set of brake calipers.

[Notorious]

^ haha its pretty much stripped. Although there is a motor halfway up the hill that couldn't be dragged all the way up.

[Protege52003]

They never got it out of there somehow?

car is probably stripped.

[murph1379]

.........LMAO @ n00bs who dont know how to use search.

hey murph1379, see that bar? it saved my life.

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Dr.Sound/Baby/roof.jpg

why do u think top of the line model like MSP didnt come with sunroof from factory?
because engeneers there did not feel safe putting one on.
sunroof company will make u sign a waiver limiting their responsibility.
they will only cover leaks, not you compressed spine.

See, that's the kind of evidence I was looking for. I take it the roof beam connects the two B-pillars? My sunroof ends at about the B-pillars, but it obviously would cut through it. I can, however, feel four bars going across the roof behind the sunroof. I'm not sure exactly what they did in there, but maybe I should call and ask.

My whole point is that it's stupid to write it off as sunroof = bad, unless you have some concrete knowledge to back it up!

[Dr.Sound]

what do u meanby concrete knowledge?
i dont and cant know what they did in there.
if they reinforced it (which i doubt) than good for you.

the bars u might be feeling are motor and gearing assembly supports, which just hold the moving pieces in place and do nothing for structural integrity.

they did not have to cut the whole beam out to mess up regidity, they just had to trim a piece of it off.

u really seem to want to be right, good for you.......get concrete knowledge yourself about what they did in here, THEN come back and tell us.

[ottawaP5]

I know this is off topic, but does anyone know if a roof rack would help during a rollover?

[Dr.Sound]

no, it would be one of the first things to fall off.

[Notorious]

Consider this. The glass you see is only part of the sunroof. The motor is also wedged in there and so it a place for the glass to slide back. For all that to fit it is likely the beam will have to be trimmed. If not, that is great, but all the people that I personally know that got a sunroof had to get the reinforcement trimmed.


See, that's the kind of evidence I was looking for. I take it the roof beam connects the two B-pillars? My sunroof ends at about the B-pillars, but it obviously would cut through it. I can, however, feel four bars going across the roof behind the sunroof. I'm not sure exactly what they did in there, but maybe I should call and ask.

My whole point is that it's stupid to write it off as sunroof = bad, unless you have some concrete knowledge to back it up!

[UnNaturalinc]

:)

http://www.wedeking.org/images/billy0.jpg
http://www.wedeking.org/images/billy1.jpg

[ottawaP5]

thats a quality job!

[Notorious]

Whats the story behind that one? There would be bodies if someone did that to my car.

[UnNaturalinc]

Whats the story behind that one? There would be bodies if someone did that to my car.

Those pics I stole from another post on here.... The episode just aired this weekend. Bam picked up Billy Idol at the airport. Idol commented it was a nice day and figured he'd have a ragtop car. So they pulled over and cut a sunroof.

[Tito1]

Open your mind and realize that there are a countless number of situations that could happen on the road at any time.

My rollover was not caused in any way by my driving too fast or dangerously. Someone decided to run a stop sign which caused the driver next to me, who was going in the same direction as me, to swerve into my lane....hitting my front quarterpanel. I had nowhere to go because this road has no shoulder. The angle at which his car hit mine somehow rolled my car over.

At the moment of impact I was going ~30 and the speed limit was 45.

Couldn't you have stepped on the brakes? Yes there are many situations that could cause the car to flip, but it takes some help from the driver to take the car into said ditch.

I mean, you'd expect an SUV with it's high center of gravity to flip. But this car, with great handling, and lower center of gravity would be less likely to flip.

If U R really worried about flipping your car you may want to take a saftey driving course before you step onto the road.

But good luck on surviving through your next flipped car(doh)

But more on topic--It does seem safer without the sunroof. Plus you are adding more flex, which is very undesireable.