big brake kit for 4 lug

[MIA protege]

i know this has been discussed before and i did a quick search and i could not find anything. its time for new brakes for me and im looking into a big brake kit. does anyone make it for the 99-00 (4 LUG) ? i remember corksport was or something but never think they went through with it

[HiBoost TS]

i know this has been discussed before and i did a quick search and i could not find anything. its time for new brakes for me and im looking into a big brake kit. does anyone make it for the 99-00 (4 LUG) ? i remember corksport was or something but never think they went through with it

PM me, I am working on the big brake kit for the 4 bolt. I have the test car at the shop right now.

Juan

[MIA protege]

PM me, I am working on the big brake kit for the 4 bolt. I have the test car at the shop right now.

Juan

never fail to step up ... PMed , thanks Juan

[DiS]

PM me, I am working on the big brake kit for the 4 bolt. I have the test car at the shop right now.

Juan

Woohoo! Juan is always on top of things!!! Its like he knows what people are thinking and before they say it, he has everything ready already, haha. Damn it Juan! Stop reading people's minds! (thumb)(usa)

[Greensleeper]

Subs, PM sent!

[mazpro]

Subscribing for more info.

[Shorebroke]

subscrizlle for more infizzle.

Is there any options for the rear drum? I don't like the look of it all too much with rims on. Any chance of a rear disc brake conversion? I kinda want to keep the 4-lug, to give it that JDM style i suppose. But yeah, DEFINATELY interested in the big brake kit.

[steve_protege]

I have been waiting for this for so long. Every kit I have read about is for the 5 lug. Its about time that we 4 luggers are included. Its great that Juan is doing this for us. First he makes the 1.6 liter turbo kit and now this!! Way to go Juan. Im subscribed!!

[Prodigy]

*subs* finally

[SpicyMchaggis]

juan do a rear disc convert while your at it.

[Prodigy]

juan do a rear disc convert while your at it.
Better be..
big discs in the front + drums in the back = ghey

[MIA protege]

Better be..
big discs in the front + drums in the back = ghey

no ... big discs in the front + drums in the back > small discs in the front + drums in the back.

but yea rear discs would be nice.

[twilightprotege]

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101937

will be avail for 4 lug cars

[BadBandar]

wow. Juan is making all our dreams come true. Major props man.

[Prodigy]

no ... big discs in the front + drums in the back > small discs in the front + drums in the back.

but yea rear discs would be nice.
True. But I'd hold off the big brake kit until one comes out with a rear disc conversion.

[twilightprotege]

read the post i just made in the link i posted 2 above. this is why i say dont worry about upgrading the rear brakes

[steve_protege]

PM me, I am working on the big brake kit for the 4 bolt. I have the test car at the shop right now.

Juan

Whats the update Juan?

[MIA protege]

should be done by the end of this week

[Greensleeper]

Can't wait to see that!!!

I've pm'ed Juan about that (no answer), but does anyone knows if he can give us the option to swap the rear drums to the JDM 4-lug rear disk setup? Because i'm willing to buy all that stuff all at one.

[MIA protege]

he might be working on that as well ... i havent asked him bout that.

[Lil Freek]

I'm going to be talking to KVR in the next couple weeks about building a one-off for the 2001 LX with rear drums. I want 4wheel discs :)
Edwin did a 4disc conversion on his Civic last year... so I'll talk to him and ask about something for my car

[Prodigy]

I'm going to be talking to KVR in the next couple weeks about building a one-off for the 2001 LX with rear drums. I want 4wheel discs :)
Edwin did a 4disc conversion on his Civic last year... so I'll talk to him and ask about something for my car
Post as much info as you can about it.. whenever the time comes around.

[Lil Freek]

yeah.. I go to KVR to get my car dyno'd.. so i gotta go back after I boost this weekend (spin)

we'll have a little meet, so while my car's not on the dyno, I'll chat of the business type with him. All I know is that it's NOT going to be cheap, esp. due to the rear disc conversion.

[CorkSport]

There are brake kits(including rear drum conversions) already available for the 90+ Proteges. Some allow you to switch to 5 lug and some use the stock calipers. Rotor size is 305mm and 325mm.
Kits include pads, hardware, ss break lines, 2piece drilled &/or slotted rotors, and 4 piston calipers in applicable kits.

[Lil Freek]

is there? I just went to corksport.com and saw no big-brake kits for the 3rd or 1st gen. protege?

[vindication]

Juan is there any chance you will be using Baer calipers? please say yes. if not, can we buy the setup for you excluding the calipers and buy whatever calipers we want and use the mounting bracket from your kit to work with the different calipers?

[CorkSport]

Lil Freek, we don't have them posted. You would need to call us or Email with what you are looking for. We use a local company and Wilwood calipers to make kits for Proteges', Mx6, Mx3 and Rx7's.
Price vary from $500 to $1200 depending on the kit.

[mazpro]

wow those look awsome. how much do those go for, and does it include everything like pads, calipers, rotors and brake lines?

[Lil Freek]

ahhh.. ok.
does that price range include both front AND rears?
I'm only interested in both front and rear disc setups (involving a rear disc conversion)... I'm going to start by talking with KVR on pricing and part requirements - as well as labour, seeing as they've done it to Edwin's civic.

[justanotheradikt]

i am also very intrested in this....rear disc would be awsome too

[MIA protege]

how much would that kit pictured cost ??? rotors, pads, calipers , lines ... everything we need to install ??

[Greensleeper]

Subs for more info for BOTH Hi-Boost and Corksport kits... Do we have the option to swap to a 4-lug rear DISK setup, if so, at what cost?

Thanx to both!

[CorkSport]

If anyone is interested you can Email me Travis@Corksport.com with what you are looking for and I can give prices and availability.
Otherwise I'll post what I can in the morning.

[steve_protege]

So as of right now, we have 4 kits available to us 3rd Genners:

1) Wilwood
2) HiBoost
3) Twilight's custom kit
4) Corksport

Three of which is also available to the 4 luggers (HiBoost, Twilight, Corksport).


Any idea as to WHEN these kits might be available and around how much??

Steve O

[MIA protege]

i wanna know some prices already

[vindication]

corksport, are you able to do a gb? what would the price be for different amount of people signing up? also, can we get like different callipers, like say Baer?

[twilightprotege]

i'm going to have all the prices organised by 1 july (new financial year). that's when we'll have all the licences etc setup.

[mazpro]

great. hopefully we can get a group buy organized from someone.

[CorkSport]

I've gotten a few Emails so far. If 5 or more people wish to order any combination of kits I can make a price reduction.

[MIA protege]

well lets start a list ....

1. MIAprotege 2000 protege, 4lug.

[Lil Freek]

1. MIAprotege 2000 protege, 4lug.
2. Lil Freek 2001 protege, 4lug

[mazpro]

1. MIAprotege - 2000 protege, 4lug.
2. Lil Freek - 2001 protege, 4lug
3. Mazpro - 2000 Protege, 4lug

[steve_protege]

I have a response from Travis @ Corksport!! Here is his response to my question about the 4 lug big brake kit and its pricing/parts included etc....

" Steve

Thanks for the interest. That kit in the picture is $1200. The Kit include
loaded 4piston wilwood calipers, 325mm 2 piece rotors cross drilled or
slotted, brackets, hardware and SS Lines with instructions.
I can probably delete the lines for a credit. The other rotor size is
310mm. The wheel pictured is a 17".
If I can get 5 people interested in any combination of kits I can reduce
the price.

Regards
Travis "


Doesn't sound too bad. Id be interested in the price drop if we get the required number of 5 and then some.....

[steve_protege]

1. MIAprotege - 2000 protege, 4lug.
2. Lil Freek - 2001 protege, 4lug
3. Mazpro - 2000 Protege, 4lug
4. Steve_protege - 2000 protege, 4 lug
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I may be interested, but it will depend on the price. Ive been part shopping quite a bit and may have to cut back some. I'll still put my name down, but only interested right now. Im curious to see what the finished product will come out like. Plus Id like to wait and see what kind of prices the other BBKs will cost around.

[MIA protege]

juan ???

[NegatiZE]

*Subscribes*

[JuanFc420]

1. MIAprotege - 2000 protege, 4lug.
2. Lil Freek - 2001 protege, 4lug
3. Mazpro - 2000 Protege, 4lug
4. Steve_protege - 2000 protege, 4 lug
5. Juanfc420-2002 protege, 4lug

[P2K]

1. MIAprotege - 2000 protege, 4lug
2. Lil Freek - 2001 protege, 4lug
3. Mazpro - 2000 Protege, 4lug
4. Steve_protege - 2000 protege, 4 lug
5. Juanfc420 - 2002 protege, 4lug
6. P2K - 2000 Protege, 4lug
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[Lil Freek]

FYI - i thought i was upgrading my brakes to the larger discs for my front rotors last night. (as per TheMAN's FAQ), but my stock rotors are as big as P5 rotors - which is weird.

If anybody in the US have the smaller front rotors and want the bigger rotors, i have P5 calipers for sale and you can just order canada-spec front rotors or 2000 ES rotors :)

it's a little temp improvement

[steve_protege]

So whats the update with this BB kit for us 4 luggers?? I haven't heard anything more about it since my last post in here. Anyone have any info?

Steve O

[Hughes412]

From what I understand the 4 lug proteges have rear disk (like mind does) and it really doesn't do any good to put bigger rotors on the front of the car.
Doing so will throw off the balance of the break system wont it. I put the D/S rotors on my front and yes the breaking is twice what it used to be, on dry payment. In the rain you have to be careful though, it wants to lock up the front. I looked at the rears to see it there were any adjustment and there isn't, not that I can see. So I guess what I'm asking is what would be the benefit?

[SedanMan]

From what I understand the 4 lug proteges have rear disk (like mind does) and it really doesn't do any good to put bigger rotors on the front of the car.
Doing so will throw off the balance of the break system wont it. I put the D/S rotors on my front and yes the breaking is twice what it used to be, on dry payment. In the rain you have to be careful though, it wants to lock up the front. I looked at the rears to see it there were any adjustment and there isn't, not that I can see. So I guess what I'm asking is what would be the benefit?

4 lug proteges have rear drums, not disks.

[Prodigy]

From what I understand the 4 lug proteges have rear disk (like mind does) and it really doesn't do any good to put bigger rotors on the front of the car.
Doing so will throw off the balance of the break system wont it. I put the D/S rotors on my front and yes the breaking is twice what it used to be, on dry payment. In the rain you have to be careful though, it wants to lock up the front. I looked at the rears to see it there were any adjustment and there isn't, not that I can see. So I guess what I'm asking is what would be the benefit?
no. We have drums in the rear.
The benefit would be the stopping power.. and looks.
The crappy performance in the rain outweighs the perfomance in something like autox..

[P2K]

I was told you can take the rear axle from the MX-3, it has 4-lug rear discs but not sure if it's a direct bolt-on. Then do big brake all the way around.

[MIA protege]

I was told you can take the rear axle from the MX-3, it has 4-lug rear discs but not sure if it's a direct bolt-on. Then do big brake all the way around.

cha ching

[Hughes412]

Didn't one of the ES proteges come with 4wheel disk and 4 lug? One could get the ass end of a totaled ES and tradeout but that would be some money!

For you autocross guys I would look into just the D/S rotors, you can preload the rears with the e-break. I know my word don't mean much but if your willing to spend the big cash for a big break kit take the chance and spend the 110.00 for the Brembo D/S rotors first. Call this guy at Sportbrakes.

Sport Brakes
2521 Merrell Rd
Dallas Tx 75229-4648

972-620-9311

[SedanMan]

Didn't one of the ES proteges come with 4wheel disk and 4 lug? One could get the ass end of a totaled ES and tradeout but that would be some money!

No 4-lug 3rdGen North American Protege has disc brakes in the rear.

[P2K]

No 4-lug 3rdGen North American Protege has disc brakes in the rear.
Good point, but since you bring that up...

What about JDM? Did they have rear discs?

[Shane5425]

jdm has rear disk as an option.

[P2K]

jdm has rear disk as an option.
Really? Then Corksport should be able to get them for us, right?

[Shane5425]

yep, u have to call..

[P2K]

Never mind about getting the JDM 4-lug rear discs from Corksport. I emailed them and here's the response. From the response, I think he overlooked the fact that the newer cars have 5-lugs. I guess I'm still looking into the MX-3 idea.


You would have an easier time salvaging rear spindles, calipers etc. and all the mounting pieces from a rear disc Protege and it would be cheaper, though still expensive and time consuming. The rear hard lines may not be the same, you would need new brake lines, E-brake is different and other little things make this complicated.

Regards
Travis

[Shane5425]

funny, same thing i got 1 year ago..

[MIA protege]

Juan was supposed to be making some BB kits for our cars. not sure if hes done with it or not

[Hughes412]

Just so you know I talked with Brian at Mazda South here in Austin and the 99 ES DID come with 4 wheel disk. I knew I saw one here at work and everyone said no. It was driving me crazy!

[Shane5425]

was it 4 or 5 lug?

[justanotheradikt]

its a 4 lugger......might need to be calling some junk yards around here....

[SedanMan]

Just so you know I talked with Brian at Mazda South here in Austin and the 99 ES DID come with 4 wheel disk. I knew I saw one here at work and everyone said no. It was driving me crazy!

I think he might be mistaken. I have never seen a 4 lug protege with 4 wheel disc and ALOT of people have been looking to make the conversion. If you read TheMan's FAQ you will see he backs up what I've been saying.

[justanotheradikt]

may have been an option on the 99es? plus im thinkin a 99 es would be hard to find anyway so it could be that nobody has really seen one and its been overlooked?

[SedanMan]

may have been an option on the 99es? plus im thinkin a 99 es would be hard to find anyway so it could be that nobody has really seen one and its been overlooked?

It's been available for 6 years. I somehow doubt that it was overlooked.

But I wish you success if you try and find it.

[Hughes412]

It was a 4lug rear disk. I know I've seen it. I'll take a pic this week.

[justanotheradikt]

It's been available for 6 years. I somehow doubt that it was overlooked.

But I wish you success if you try and find it.

it was also a limited production body style....and the 4 lug rear disc was probably only on that one year with the es. so it is very easy to be overlooked. i know that ive looked for them for about a year and i never though of the 99es. my mind went to jdm after searching for any 4 lug here that would be a direct swap with rear disc.

[Hughes412]

He quoted a price for the rotors at about 100. I wrote it down but don't have it with me. And yes he said it was only the 99 es.

[P2K]

He quoted a price for the rotors at about 100. I wrote it down but don't have it with me. And yes he said it was only the 99 es.
Any part numbers?

[Hughes412]

Yep, BB4C-26-251C. Price per 88.86 and that is for a 98 ES Protege

[P2K]

98?

[SedanMan]

Yep, BB4C-26-251C. Price per 88.86 and that is for a 98 ES Protege

98 is 2nd gen. I doubt that it will fit.

[P2K]

I found this on a parts search site. I won't believe it until I see it b/c we still don't know if the 99es came with them or not.

http://catalog.buyautoparts.com/meridian/ib/part.jsp?partner=meridian&clientid=buyautoparts&cookieid=1KJ0WJW2R1KJ0WJW2Q&baseurl=http://www.buyautoparts.com/&year=1999&make=MA&model=PRO--003&category=N&showChildren=false

We really need those pics Hughes412 so we can stop chasing this.

[Hughes412]

Well i want to appoligize, I said 99 the first time and it was supposed to be 98.

I will look for it today, but now that we know there is a 4 lug rear disk out there weather its a 98 or a 99 all we need to do is have a 3rd gen and a 2nd gen meet up to check and see what all needs to be changed. Even if you have to swith out the whole ass end it would be a lot cheeper that going 4 wheel 5 lug disk. Know what I mean.

[mazpro]

so any updates from Juan??

[steve_protege]

Juan PMed me back about it and said he is almost finished with the kit. He will release pricing when he done. This was about a week, maybe a week and a half ago.



so any updates from Juan??

[steve_protege]

Still nothing from Juan. Ive PMed him and e-mailed him. I'll keep you all updated.

[steve_protege]

And still nothing from Juan. Has anyone been able to contact him? Is anyone else on the forum associated with Juan or HiBoost?

[Prodigy]

Give him a call.. he's probally just a little bit busy at the moment.

[steve_protege]

Give him a call.. he's probally just a little bit busy at the moment.

I'll give it a shot. Ill let you all know if I hear anything.

[FlyinHawaiian]

When it comes to the 4-lug rear disc, has anyone tried looking at other cars wih the same rotor sizes to see if the hardware would hook up? I noticed on Brembo.com (http://www.brembo.com/CatalogoBrembo/Templates/SearchGray.aspx?NRMODE=Published&NRORIGINALURL=%2fENG%2fMarket%2fCatalogue%2fSearch Cars%2ehtm&NRNODEGUID=%7b17D7BCC8-5414-40CA-9D35-30F3CABF4BA3%7d&NRCACHEHINT=NoModifyGuest) that the disc size is the same on the following cars: Ford: Escort (97-98); Mazda: 323 (various models), MX-3 (91-95), MX-5 (93-98); Mercury: Tacer 91-96. They're all the same part for the disc. Since all of them are FWD cars (except for the 323 GTX), I wonder if they connect to the strut in the same manner and since the hardware and engineering are already made and done (in pleantiful numbers), a lot of the problems such as e-brake lines/function, brake lines, calipers, etc. are solved for us. Any thoughts to this rambling mess of a theroy?

[MIA protege]

my only thought is where the hell is Juan with this stuff ... wow.

[jster28]

When it comes to the 4-lug rear disc, has anyone tried looking at other cars wih the same rotor sizes to see if the hardware would hook up? I noticed on Brembo.com (http://www.brembo.com/CatalogoBrembo/Templates/SearchGray.aspx?NRMODE=Published&NRORIGINALURL=%2fENG%2fMarket%2fCatalogue%2fSearch Cars%2ehtm&NRNODEGUID=%7b17D7BCC8-5414-40CA-9D35-30F3CABF4BA3%7d&NRCACHEHINT=NoModifyGuest) that the disc size is the same on the following cars: Ford: Escort (97-98); Mazda: 323 (various models), MX-3 (91-95), MX-5 (93-98); Mercury: Tacer 91-96. They're all the same part for the disc. Since all of them are FWD cars (except for the 323 GTX), I wonder if they connect to the strut in the same manner and since the hardware and engineering are already made and done (in pleantiful numbers), a lot of the problems such as e-brake lines/function, brake lines, calipers, etc. are solved for us. Any thoughts to this rambling mess of a theroy?

I tried swaping my rear spindles with a 1st gen protege with rear discs. It was almost the same except the lateral bars where off a bit, Everything bolts up exepct thr\e lateral bar. So it doesnt work the bars are to short. You can use the lateral bars from the 1st gen, but they will compromise the suspenstion of the 3rd gen.

[FlyinHawaiian]

I tried swaping my rear spindles with a 1st gen protege with rear discs. It was almost the same except the lateral bars where off a bit, Everything bolts up exepct thr\e lateral bar. So it doesnt work the bars are to short. You can use the lateral bars from the 1st gen, but they will compromise the suspenstion of the 3rd gen.

Hmmmm. I wonder if any of the other option cars that I listed would work...

[SedanMan]

Stupid question, but what's a latteral bar? Are you talking about the endlinks?

THanks

[jster28]

Stupid question, but what's a latteral bar? Are you talking about the endlinks?

THanks

The four black bars in the picture.

Hmmmm. I wonder if any of the other option cars that I listed would work...

Nope. The closest match was the 1st gen pro (323). The escort, tracer use the same size disc, but the suspend parts mounts are totally different then the pro. I looked at every car you listed at the junkyard before. The ones that i'm unsure of is the mx-5 or mx3, i would have to take a look at them again, but it pretty sure, they dont work.

[FlyinHawaiian]

Because I can't let a simple thing drop easily, I will persist. Not to insult your inteligence or anything, but by looking at the pic yu posted, it doesn't seem to me that creating custom lateral bars would be that hard. Personally, It wouldn't seem that hard to cut off the end pieces and welding in longer or shorter bars to make it work. If that's the only obsticle, then a relitively simple solution can be found. Any ideas on that?

[jster28]

Because I can't let a simple thing drop easily, I will persist. Not to insult your inteligence or anything, but by looking at the pic yu posted, it doesn't seem to me that creating custom lateral bars would be that hard. Personally, It wouldn't seem that hard to cut off the end pieces and welding in longer or shorter bars to make it work. If that's the only obsticle, then a relitively simple solution can be found. Any ideas on that?


My bad, they bars are actually called rear links. Dont know where i got lateral bars from. Anyway, You would need to extend all four. I thought about customing some bars to fit. But don't have access to a welder and its my only car can't have it on block trying to get them. Also i dont know how it would hold up or if it would have any effect on the suspension and handling. thats the only thing preventing it from happening. But i was look at ebay and they have adjustable rear links for the Subbie WRX. If there was one for the protege then this, rear disc swap is possible. I'm kinda heisitant on hacking my links up and rewelding extend.

[FlyinHawaiian]

My bad, they bars are actually called rear links. Dont know where i got lateral bars from. Anyway, You would need to extend all four. I thought about customing some bars to fit. But don't have access to a welder and its my only car can't have it on block trying to get them. Also i dont know how it would hold up or if it would have any effect on the suspension and handling. thats the only thing preventing it from happening. But i was look at ebay and they have adjustable rear links for the Subbie WRX. If there was one for the protege then this, rear disc swap is possible. I'm kinda heisitant on hacking my links up and rewelding extend.

I can understand your reluctance to hacking them up and welding the extention on, but I have a few ideas with that for structual rigidity. Acually, welding is very strong, and consider the fact that car manufacturers use it on key structual points anyways. If you can give me the part numbers and model/year of 323 that you got the rear brakes off, I might be brave enough to give this thing a shot over the winter. I've got friends with lifts and can get the welded peices worked out relatively easy. If, as you said, everything is bolt-up, except for the rear links, maybe it won't be that hard. One other question though... The bolt/lug pattern is the same for the rims, right?

[jster28]

I can understand your reluctance to hacking them up and welding the extention on, but I have a few ideas with that for structual rigidity. Acually, welding is very strong, and consider the fact that car manufacturers use it on key structual points anyways. If you can give me the part numbers and model/year of 323 that you got the rear brakes off, I might be brave enough to give this thing a shot over the winter. I've got friends with lifts and can get the welded peices worked out relatively easy. If, as you said, everything is bolt-up, except for the rear links, maybe it won't be that hard. One other question though... The bolt/lug pattern is the same for the rims, right?

I dont have the part numbers, but here is the list of parts.

All the parts can be obtained from a 1990-1994 1st gen protege, the highest model; the LX. I got mine from a 92 LX from a local pick and pull junk yard.

Both rear spindles
Calipers
Brake lines
E-brake cables
the proportioning value (i'm not sure if you need this, becuz you have a ES, i got it becuz i have the DX)

if you pull these parts yourself make sure you have a cheater bar, the bolts will be on the really tight.

The bolt pattern is the same. 4x100. update me on the way if you carry it out.

[jster28]

also looked at a 2nd gen, that have longer rear link and tublar like the 3rd gen. That might also fit, but i didnt test fit them.

[FlyinHawaiian]

also looked at a 2nd gen, that have longer rear link and tublar like the 3rd gen. That might also fit, but i didnt test fit them.

Well I've decided I'm gonna do it. I have access to a couple of lifts anytime I want so, why not, right? The first 99/00 rear disc conversion, hell yeah! Since you said that the second gen Pros have similar rear links as ours, I might as well pull 4 of them off to see if they'll fit as opposed to making my own. I'm probably not going to be doing this until later this fall, but I'll keep you guys updated. Thanks for the help, and if this works... It could start something big!

[NegatiZE]

Sweet, I wanna see how the 2nd gen stuff works.

My friend had a 2nd gen 97 Protege LX for a while, and my stock rear swaybar bolted right up to it when he bought aftermarket GR2 strut replacements. (Needed the mounting tabs)

[jster28]

Well I've decided I'm gonna do it. I have access to a couple of lifts anytime I want so, why not, right? The first 99/00 rear disc conversion, hell yeah! Since you said that the second gen Pros have similar rear links as ours, I might as well pull 4 of them off to see if they'll fit as opposed to making my own. I'm probably not going to be doing this until later this fall, but I'll keep you guys updated. Thanks for the help, and if this works... It could start something big!

No problem man. Make sure you throw me in the credits if all is successful.:) I got the idea of trying the 1st gen when, my friend got all the parts to swap his 1st gen rear. So i test fitted on my car. I guess i was on to something, but didnt go further, due to school and work. I went to the junkyard to pickup 240 parts for my sister's car, when i saw a 2nd gen, so had to check it. The rear links are tublar and mount from the center of the crossmember like the 3rd gen. The only difference i saw as the 2nd gen crossmember was a little further away from the body and the swaybars mounted a little different. I didnt have a tape measure on me, to measure the links. I was gonnna pull the parts and try, but some jerk took one of the spindles already, since i have a credit to use at that junkyard.

[jster28]

Also forgot. If this works, the 1.6L 3rd gen dx,lx people need to do the es brake caliper and rotor swap up front. the rear disc size are around 10" and the 1.6 is front are 9" and need the es disc and caliper so there isn't any brake bias(sp?). thought i throw that out to inform people.

FlyinHawaiian if you need anymore info or help, let me know.

[Greensleeper]

Subs... again. If a 1st gen spindle-and-all/2nd gen links fits, maybe I'll have a winner!

Just imagine the ease of finding light 15''-16'' wheels in 4X100!

[Shane5425]

Also forgot. If this works, the 1.6L 3rd gen dx,lx people need to do the es brake caliper and rotor swap up front. the rear disc size are around 10" and the 1.6 is front are 9" and need the es disc and caliper so there isn't any brake bias(sp?). thought i throw that out to inform people.

FlyinHawaiian if you need anymore info or help, let me know.

wow didnt know that, thought they were the same..

[NegatiZE]

wow didnt know that, thought they were the same..

I've done the swap, it's very easy.

[NegatiZE]

http://www.morrownet.net/negatize/brakes/index.htm

[Shane5425]

how much performance change u got with 10 inch rotors?

[steve_protege]

Got an update from Juan about the BB kit for us 4 luggers:


"
Hello Steve,

I have been away from my shop working in the Mazda3 and Mazda 6 testing cars and will not be back until Aug the 25th. I should know by then.

Juan "

That means I'll still be waiting......

[NegatiZE]

You will definitely feel a difference in stopping power, especially if you have larger (heavier) wheels on the car.

[Shane5425]

naw, mine are lighter same size wheels in diamater as stock, i wonder if that with the 929 master cylinder upgrade would make a big differance.. if i do do this its gonna be after turbo.. soon .. so soon...

[NegatiZE]

Umm the diameter being the same doesn't mean they are the same weight as well. Go ahead and do the upgrade, it's worth it.

[Shane5425]

yeah i know, i did the lift test, i lifted my stockers and then i lifted my 17s
17s were lighter..

[NegatiZE]

Oh ok. But you gotta remember, all that rotational mass is further out from the center of the wheel.

[jster28]

Subs... again. If a 1st gen spindle-and-all/2nd gen links fits, maybe I'll have a winner!

Just imagine the ease of finding light 15''-16'' wheels in 4X100!


Huh??? confused??? I saw your sig and it say a 5lug to 4lug conversion. If you have a 5 lug you can swap in rear from a P5 or 5 lug rear disc pro. Why would you want to do a 4 lug saw. If you want the four lug, the front spindle will not fit from a 1st or 2nd gen. the spindle to strut mount there is a gap. And only way to close the gap is a shit load of washer. Thats just ghetto and a saftey issue. You would need 3rd gen 4 lug Front parts.

[Shane5425]

Oh ok. But you gotta remember, all that rotational mass is further out from the center of the wheel.
true true...

[FlyinHawaiian]

No problem man. Make sure you throw me in the credits if all is successful.:) I got the idea of trying the 1st gen when, my friend got all the parts to swap his 1st gen rear. So i test fitted on my car. I guess i was on to something, but didnt go further, due to school and work. I went to the junkyard to pickup 240 parts for my sister's car, when i saw a 2nd gen, so had to check it. The rear links are tublar and mount from the center of the crossmember like the 3rd gen. The only difference i saw as the 2nd gen crossmember was a little further away from the body and the swaybars mounted a little different. I didnt have a tape measure on me, to measure the links. I was gonnna pull the parts and try, but some jerk took one of the spindles already, since i have a credit to use at that junkyard....FlyinHawaiian if you need anymore info or help, let me know.

You'll get major kudos if this works... If it doesn't and my rear end is runied because of you, then I'm coming over there to get you...lol. My next step is to find some local junkyards with some 323s and Protege's in em. What do you guys think for the parts: $50 total? $100? Shouldn't be too bad. I'll take pics and make a nice and pretty write up about it (Sucess or failure).

[Greensleeper]

Huh??? confused??? I saw your sig and it say a 5lug to 4lug conversion. If you have a 5 lug you can swap in rear from a P5 or 5 lug rear disc pro. Why would you want to do a 4 lug saw. If you want the four lug, the front spindle will not fit from a 1st or 2nd gen. the spindle to strut mount there is a gap. And only way to close the gap is a shit load of washer. Thats just ghetto and a saftey issue. You would need 3rd gen 4 lug Front parts.

Not confused at all lol!

I HAVE A LX! This mean I have the big brake up front and the cheapos drum out back. All this on a 4 bolt setup... And my sig say's: Next year... ;)

BTW, why not connect our 3nd gen lateral links with the 1st gen spindle/disc assembly? No need to weld anything, no? Why doesn't you try?

Thanx to all, we can make this happen :)

[NegatiZE]

Aren't the 1st gen/BG chassis rear suspensions quite a bit different?

I know they are still Twin Trapezoidal Link but it looks like an earlier variation of it.

[FlyinHawaiian]

Snag #1:

Well this could be a deal killer... ABS.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that the 1st Gen has a place for my ABS sensor to go. There's no way in hell I'm going ABS in front, none in back, nor would I like to have no ABS period. It has saved my life (and car) a few times, and I won't feel very comfortable without it. Any suggestions for that hurdle?

[Shane5425]

i had a 2nd gen car in the air doing a brake job on it, was rear drum though, but they look very simailar to ours...

[jster28]

Aren't the 1st gen/BG chassis rear suspensions quite a bit different?

I know they are still Twin Trapezoidal Link but it looks like an earlier variation of it.


The links are further out on the crossmember near the spindle. Yes ealier variation of it.

[jster28]

Snag #1:

Well this could be a deal killer... ABS.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that the 1st Gen has a place for my ABS sensor to go. There's no way in hell I'm going ABS in front, none in back, nor would I like to have no ABS period. It has saved my life (and car) a few times, and I won't feel very comfortable without it. Any suggestions for that hurdle?

No abs. The 2nd gen might have it. I'll find out and get back to you.

[justanotheradikt]

Snag #1:

Well this could be a deal killer... ABS.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that the 1st Gen has a place for my ABS sensor to go. There's no way in hell I'm going ABS in front, none in back, nor would I like to have no ABS period. It has saved my life (and car) a few times, and I won't feel very comfortable without it. Any suggestions for that hurdle?

well you see some of us dont have abs...so that wouldnt be a snag for us. if you cant deal with not having maybe me or someone without abs could take over this.

[Greensleeper]

Since nobody answer, I will repeat this idea:

Why not connect our 3nd gen lateral links with the 1st gen spindle/disc assembly? No need to weld anything, no?

[jster28]

Since nobody answer, I will repeat this idea:

Why not connect our 3nd gen lateral links with the 1st gen spindle/disc assembly? No need to weld anything, no?

Like i said, The rear links slightly short. The bolt holes dont match up. they need to be extended for it to work.

Snag #1:

Well this could be a deal killer... ABS.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that the 1st Gen has a place for my ABS sensor to go. There's no way in hell I'm going ABS in front, none in back, nor would I like to have no ABS period. It has saved my life (and car) a few times, and I won't feel very comfortable without it. Any suggestions for that hurdle?
The 2nd gen es model is the only model that has the all disc setup. They do have abs, but it was not standard on those cars. They were optional. 2nd gen Lx was disc front and rear drum, and abs was optional as well. hope that helps you out.

[Greensleeper]

Like i said, The rear links slightly short. The bolt holes dont match up. they need to be extended for it to work.

Sorry jdter28, but I don't understand... If our 3nd links fits with our actual drum setup, why would'nt they fit the first gen spindle assembly? Because the bolt on the 1st gen spindle is pushed more far than the 3nd gen bolt?

Sorry again...

[jster28]

Sorry jdter28, but I don't understand... If our 3nd links fits with our actual drum setup, why would'nt they fit the first gen spindle assembly? Because the bolt on the 1st gen spindle is pushed more far than the 3nd gen bolt?

Sorry again...

On the first gen the rear link mounting holes are out more. So the 3rd gen bars dont reach the holes to bolt up to the 1st gen spindle. I dont know how to explain it any better. If some if better at explaination help clear it up for Greensleeper.

[twilightprotege]

imo, if you have drums on the rear and you're upgrading them to discs for a performance reason, dont waste your time or money. if you're doing them for asthetics, go for your life.

performance upgrade - rear brakes hardly do anything in hard braking. something like 15%. what's the point in upping that 15% figure to 16% when you can spend that money on even better front brakes or better suspension?

[Shane5425]

imo, if you have drums on the rear and you're upgrading them to discs for a performance reason, dont waste your time or money. if you're doing them for asthetics, go for your life.

performance upgrade - rear brakes hardly do anything in hard braking. something like 15%. what's the point in upping that 15% figure to 16% when you can spend that money on even better front brakes or better suspension?

30% rear 70 % front..

[Greensleeper]

Thanx for the info!

Just hope that the 2nd gen links will be enough long!

[twilightprotege]

30% rear? maybe for an F1 car, but 30% is way way way over the mark. serisously, the rears do jack sh!t

[justanotheradikt]

in my auto class we learned it was like 25% or 30%... ill look it up exactly when i get back to my apartment (evacuated for the hurricane)

[TampaSport20]

Just an FYI guys....discs do not actually offer more stopping power than drums, they just cool faster, so they are less likely to fade after repeated braking...they are also easier to work on....

[KickuP]

still no news from Juan?

[steve_protege]

Still nothing. Ive e-mailed and PMed him on several occasions about his BB kit and I have yet to hear back from him. Maybe someone else should give it a shot?

[steve_protege]

Bump for Juan to fill us in!!

[00zmde]

subscribing

[00zmde]

anyone got info?

[Prodigy]

bump

[kl_03maz]

YOu can find a bunch of stuff here:
www.sportcompactonly.com

more specifically in relation to this thread:

Rotora Slotted Big Brake Kits

99-04 Mazda Protege (EXC 1.6L)
Front 4-Piston 330×30mm 2-PIECE Disc
17" min. Wheel size Req.

w/Red caliper and Slotted Rotors
Part #: RBK043.02AS

w/Metallic Blue caliper and Slotted Rotors
Part #: RBK043.02MS

[kl_03maz]

keep in mind though... a bigger rotor might mean less weight, but it could also mean less horse power. why? well from what I gather, because the rotor is bigger, your going to get more inertia, creating artificial weight? which will require more power to turn the wheels. Because more power is going to turn the wheels, you lose hp. Thats for straight line acceleration. If you bring breaking into the picture, like when doing auto-x'ing.. then its a different story. You can likely make up that very little lost time due to less hp by diving into the corners deeper because of your new shinny breaks.. either way. new rotors look hot :P

moral of the story is:
If you want to keep the HP: Get oem sized rotors and maybe a performance calipper to increase breaking capability
If you don't mind loosing the few HP's: Get the big break kit and show it off! 'cause they look hot :)

Cheers
(anyone can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)

[justanotheradikt]

ive got the complete setup for rear disc conversion if anyone wants it.

[mazpro]

BUMP! any new info on this?



YOu can find a bunch of stuff here:
www.sportcompactonly.com

more specifically in relation to this thread:

Rotora Slotted Big Brake Kits

99-04 Mazda Protege (EXC 1.6L)
Front 4-Piston 330×30mm 2-PIECE Disc
17" min. Wheel size Req.

w/Red caliper and Slotted Rotors
Part #: RBK043.02AS

w/Metallic Blue caliper and Slotted Rotors
Part #: RBK043.02MS

That's cool, but it won't fit our cars, it says EXCEPT 1.6L

[FlyinHawaiian]

Hey, thought I'd bring this beast back to life... I was talking with a friend of mine and he said that he might help me do this conversion. I'm gonna re-look into some things, such as the 2nd Gen ES ABS setup and spindle ad see what I can make happen. Wish me luck.... that's will be a multi-month project, so don't expect every-day updates until I get my car back and locate the correct parts.

[steve_protege]

Bump to the top for updates!! Has anyone talked with Corksport, HiBoost or Twilight??

[shabaka]

AWR will do a "trunk-kit" with absolutely everything new for about a grand
AWR also makes adjustable links...maybe Anthony would work-up a custom length set?

Cork used to do a partial kit but quit because of cost/intrest
twilight didn't seem too impressed with the idea in an earlier post...not to mention he's in australia

but that seems to be the key...aussie 1.8l BJII cars are 4lug disc-disc
need a overseas source to get the parts
this is also true for euro-spec cars(4lug disc-disc)

[36Crazyfists]

definitely would be nice to get rear discs

[justanotheradikt]

swap to 5 lug!!! ive got everything to do it for you!!! its an easy swap....seriously

[steve_protege]

swap to 5 lug!!! ive got everything to do it for you!!! its an easy swap....seriously

You have everything to do the swap FOR me??? Exactly how easy is it? Im assuming you did it. How long did it take for you to do it?

[justanotheradikt]

yup..got all the lines, ebrake stuff, and everything for each corner....the hardest part was getting the front axles out....id say if they dont give you problems and you have air tools...eh a few hours (2 to 3)....hand tools...depends on how strong you are lol...

edit: took us (me and a friend) less than 2 hours but i figure if your working alone or since you have not done it before.

[36Crazyfists]

what was the total cost of the swap?

[justanotheradikt]

PMed

[steve_protege]

Ive contacted Corksport and asked about their BBK for the 4 luggers. I haven't gotten a price quote yet, but I expect to in the next couple days. I'll keep you all updated for those that are interested.

[Javo]

does anyone now the parts number and around how much this swap will be..thank I just want to figure if it is worth the time and money and then I will have to decide on the next wheels wheels to go for....

[justanotheradikt]

i have everythign for your swap....dont need to get all the parts... ive got it all!!!

[Javo]

/\/\/\/\are you selling them???

[steve_protege]

I just talked with Travis from Corksport and he told me that the kit I might be getting (the standard kit) will cost about $1,280.00. That has the price of shipping included (I think?). Comes with everything needed to bolt up and go.

*edit* Yep, 1280.00 is the price shipped for the BBK for the 4 luggers.

[Prodigy]

/\/\/\/\are you selling them???
yes, he is.

[steve_protege]

Bump!!

[justanotheradikt]

buy my stuff!