engine swap possible?

[rectangular]

I have a 2001 mazda protege DX with the 1.6L engine. It's obviously underpowered.

My question is this: is it possible to "throw in" the 1.8L turbo (mazdaspeed), or the 2.0L (found in the better models of my car)? It seems from what i think the 1.8L should fit since it is an inline 4 as well, but the 2.0L v-6?

Are there some other engines that would fit with minor modification (miata?)? if so are there any links for information about this?

Thanks for your time...

[flat_black]

Hrrm... Well, let's address the basics, first. There are three basic types of engine for the Protege's:

Yours is the ZM-DE 1.6L engine. Pretty much a standard economy 1.6.

The 2.0L featured in the same car as an option is the FS-DE 2.0L. It's not a V6, but rather a transversely mounted I4, just like your car. That would facilitate the need to swap motor mounts, but little other than that, the ECU, and so on to the car.

The 1.8L is the same as the 2.0, slightly older castings, different intake manifold, and is called the FP-DE engine. It features a shorter stroke than the 2.0, but a longer bore.

The only 1.8L turbo of any recent generation that Mazda has produced is actually from the B engine series, being the BP-DET, commonly referred to as the BP-T.

The 2.0L turbo engine featured in the Mazdaspeed is the same engine as the normal 2.0L, with a turbo kit slapped on, basically.

Hiboost is making/has made a turbo kit for the 1.6L, as well, if you maybe wanted to try that out.

You have lots of options open to you, but it depends on two things:

One, is your car a manual?

And two, how much money do you have? =)

[MIA protege]

u can swap in a 1.8l or a 2.0 but with some work ... not much. or you could do what i did and get the HIBoost kit since the 1.6L lovess boost

[evilmonkeyMSP]

and why is it that the 1.6 loves boost?

[flat_black]

Short stroke and much less detonation prone the ZM engine is, mmm. =)

On a side note, MIA, you need bigger brakes to go with the turbo, now. ;) And some rear disks to boot!

[MIA protege]

shorter stroke ... internals hold a lot more boost than the 2.0L

[evilmonkeyMSP]

and why they didnt use this in the MSP originaly...oh yeah, cuz its a production turbo car

[flat_black]

Well, they were already producing the Protege's all with 2.0's at that point, and had stopped production of the 1.6L in preparation for the new 2.0L and 2.3L featured in the 3. At that point, it's just cheaper to slap a turbo kit on the same engine and call it a day, you know?

Then there's the matter of low end grunt; The 1.6 is less happy from a dig, and durring autocross, presumibly, since it takes a bit to get the bits moving fast, but honestly, the reciprocal weight and stroke is so small.

Which would you rather have? A 5 psi 2.0L that is fastish all around, or the 1.6L at 14 pounds of boost to make 240whp, and it comes on in one big dollop? It's really a matter of preference. As far as driver friendlyness and longetivity is concerned, the 2.0L was a more financially sound choice for Mazda to make.

[evilmonkeyMSP]

makes sense (hump)

[TampaSport20]

and why they didnt use this in the MSP originaly...oh yeah, cuz its a production turbo car

It's barely a production turbo car...Mazda didnt even put them on at the factory..Callaway Cars designed it and they were put on AFTER they were imported to the states...Most people agree this was Mazda's WORST turbo setup, especially when you compare it to the BPT,B6T,F2T,BP-ZET,and 13BTT..

[evilmonkeyMSP]

yeah...i figured that after I was taking a look @ an MSM @ my dealership. Looked alot nicer & they actually did not have plastic intercooler piping

[Static03]

yeah but being a 1.6L motor, well.....how much boost are we talking about here with the turbocharger? anything over 5-7lbs of boost i dont think the stock internals could take for very long if pushed hard. And the shorter stroke should help reduce the turbo lag since its quicker to get back to higher rpms

[Shane5425]

BS.. 1.6l can hold 20psi stock interals.. about 16 to 18 daily..

[Static03]

20 psi? you put that on your car, and floor it, i DARE you. Why do you speak through your ass, with 20 psi you'd need forged pistons, cylidars, conrods, heads and valves.......jesus, learn mechanics befor you call what i say BS

[Shane5425]

wanna see a video of it..

[Shane5425]

http://www.msprotege.com/members/HiBoost%20TS/HB%20Protege%201.6%20Turbo%20at%2020%20PSI.wmv
forum
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95913&highlight=boost+1.6l

[Static03]

and in this video, it shows a STOCK engine on 20 psi of turbo boost? and you know for a fact, that it dosnt have forged internals? dude why do you waste my time.

[Shane5425]

hi-boost is a very reputable company and that video is a stock engine with the new hiboost kit, dynoed at 20 psi on 100 octane fuel and put down 290whp.. so please , dont waste my time..

[Static03]

Dude how old are you? 16? that you beleive you can run 20 lbs of boost on stock parts? do you even know how a turbocharger works?it creates PRESSURE, like when you blow up a ballon, too much pressure and it explodes, same concept with an engine. Idk who taught you your mechanics, but they must be on somthing. Great company, thats fine, not gonna happen on a stock engine. Maybe for 1 run.....if your so sure its okay, then YOU put it in your car and go throughout your torque curve, and tell me how many peices your engine remains in.

Listen bud, im not a tuner like the rest of you, im a mechanic, ive been for years, i know what im talking about, if you choose not to beleive me, then dont. But 20 psi, on a stock 1.6L engine, that comes in the mazda will not hold 20lbs of boost...even the lancer evolution VII boosts 14lbs which is an insane amount, and it has forged parts. I wont even get into how a 1.6L 100hp engine, +turbo does not equal 290hp

btw....nos stickers dont make your car go faster, since your obviously a ricer

[Shane5425]

listen dude, i am a mechanic 2, 19 yrs old 3 years exp.. that was only one run with 20 psi, i agree with that, but i have seen 1.6l run 14 to 18 psi daily, supercharged and turbocharged.. i know it sounds like bs, but the 1.6l is a tank, i am sure after a couple thousand miles something will break, but compared to the 2.0 which will last 2 seconds under the same boost.. it is alot better and it has been proven to hold that much psi, jaun said he could even push it more, but it was a customers car and didnt not want to break it to find its limits..

[Static03]

listen dude, i am a mechanic 2, 19 yrs old 3 years exp.. that was only one run with 20 psi, i agree with that, but i have seen 1.6l run 14 to 18 psi daily

ok, tell me, a MODIFIED engine (meaning not stock) could do 14 to 18 psi daily but from what you said or have been saying, you've been saying a stock engine, so, for the sake of more arguing, TELL ME, COULD A STOCK 1.6L mazda protege engine take 20 PSI of BOOST?! I was never talking about a modified 1.6L engine, ok, something you might not know, in the late 80s, F1 engines were 1.5L V6s, and they had 1000 hp+ so I am not doubting a 1.6L engine (with the right modifications and a lot of money put into it) could run on 20 psi

[Shane5425]

a STOCK 1.6l engine was put under 20 psi on a dyno with 100 octane fuel, 290 whp


Let me tell you that the internals inside this engine are much more stronger than the ones found in the 2.0, being a smaller engine. I can assure they can handle over 20 psi of boost safely.


Well, You will not believe what kind of power this little beast can make.

Here is the picture of the kit with even a better turbo. An IHI VF24 was used in this car and made 201 WHP at the same 9 psi the GT25R made 178 WHP.

We did hit the boost level of 20 psi, however the Map in the Haltech is maxed becasue we use a 2 Bar MAP that takes only 15 psi of boost and then when using the boost controller from Haltech, the ECU will automatically drop the boost to a safer level. That is why the dyno curve will look with a big drop. Tomorrow we will install a 3 Bar MAP sensor to get the maximum. Here is the video.

And a picture of the IHI Turbo in place.

Incredible 270 WHP of a 1.6 liter with stock internals. The car has only 1000 miles.

http://www.msprotege.com/members/HiBoost%20TS/HB%20Protege%201.6%20Turbo%20at%2020%20PSI.wmv (../members/HiBoost%20TS/HB%20Protege%201.6%20Turbo%20at%2020%20PSI.wmv)

[Static03]

yeah, i see mazda dishing out an econobox, with an engine to handle 20lbs of boost, and they just sell that like a regular engine......ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND?

[Shane5425]

how much more proof do you need dude?? i am gonna get juan himself to tell you he did it and it does hold it....

[Static03]

dude, the laws of physics wont allow it, theres somthing missing to that story, cause it is very possible to get a 1.6L engine to well over 500hp, but not stock......it'd blow the first run you used it on. Not that it might, it WOULD.

[MIA protege]

dude, the laws of physics wont allow it, theres somthing missing to that story, cause it is very possible to get a 1.6L engine to well over 500hp, but not stock......it'd blow the first run you used it on. Not that it might, it WOULD.

LOL i have sat here and read ur BS .... explain to me how much boost u think the 1.6L can hold STOCK ???

[Shane5425]

LOL i have sat here and read ur BS .... explain to me how much boost u think the 1.6L can hold STOCK ???

finnally back up what took u so long.....

[Static03]

you bunch of ricers, a STOCK if you know what stock means. a stock 1.6L engine, nothing special just a regular 1.6L could take maybe 5lbs of boost without forged parts. More but it wouldnt last, no way would it knock on the door of 20, and listen, to bring more idiots or ricers into this. You people are under some kind of illusion that your cars can get 20lbs of boost and not blow.

If that were the case, everyone with a civic or corolla would be a WHOLE lot faster.

[Shane5425]

dude, wtf, i posted a video of the damn car on the dyno under that psi

[Static03]

listen, im not gonna call you a liar, im gonna call you mis-informed. Ive admitted an engine with a 1600cc displacement CAN achieve the numbers you said, but my argument is. NOT STOCK. Stock means from the dealer, no modifications, of any kind. Besides, people can say w/e they want on a video, unless i see a taredown of that engine, and PROOF its stock, im not gonna beleive you. If you can prove its stock, and taking that kind of pressure, you'll get my deepest apologies, but that'll be a cold day in hell.

[Static03]

but that car wasn't completely stock.

[MIA protege]

ok look ... it says ur from miami. im in miami, ill drive my fuckin car to YOU and you will see it CAN hold more than 5 psi on STOCK INTERNALS ... i have been doing it for about 4 months now

[Shane5425]

it was a stock engine with a hiboost turbo kit.....

[Shane5425]

ok look listen ... it says ur from miami. im in miami, ill drive my fuckin car to YOU and you will see it CAN hold more than 5 psi on STOCK INTERNALS ... i have been doing it for about 4 months now

9 psi right .. 163whp... if i remember irght that was ur dyno results..

[Static03]

i USED to live in miami, and how preytell, would you show me its stock? you gonna tare down your engine to the crankshaft to prove it? I dont think so.

[MIA protege]

i USED to live in miami, and how preytell, would you show me its stock? you gonna tare down your engine to the crankshaft so prove it? I dont think so.

lol ok after reading that, im done. ur too funny. if i had internals i would be boosting more dumbass ... only thing holding me back is my tranny

[Shane5425]

hmm, could be that they dont make forged pistons and rods for the 1.6l.. let alone the crank...

[Shane5425]

ok, i just pm HI-boost and Thegoldpro(another turbo 1.6l owner) they will vouch for it, i am done argueing

[Falango]

Talk about stealing the thread and goin WAY off topic.

Who really cares if he is talkin BS, is it going to affect the rest of your life Static??

Why don't we just get back to the real topic and stop acting like 12 year olds.

[Static03]

I hate people who defend stupidity. But your right, im acting no better. I know the truth so its fine.

Im sorry i dont even remember what the topic is origionally about.

[Falango]

Im sorry i dont even remember what the topic is origionally about.

Engine swap.........from a 1.6L to a 1.8L or 2.0L..........but I think we've scared the poor guy away now.

[MIA protege]

I know the truth so its fine.



hahaha ... topic was on options for the 1.6L ... so newaysss

[Shane5425]

yeah, negitize did the 1.6l to 2.0, he used a wrecked 2.0 protege, and basically swaped everything to get it to work.. if you need details pm him

the 1.6l also has a direct bolt in of the jdm 1.5l zl-ve 130hp svt engine, but a stand alone management system is needed to control the SVT or you will have to get the stock harness and computer fromt he 1.5l svt protege in japan.

other than them, that is your only mazda engine swaps that have been done to the 1.6l

[Static03]

*shakes head* yeah theres no reason he couldnt put a 2.0L in there, actually if they can put a Northstar V8 into an MR2, theres no reason he couldnt even stuff a V6 in there, except it'd have to be RWD.....but to keep it simple, a 2.0 or 2.3L I4 would have no problem fitting. Actually if i were to swap engines, i'd go with what i know best, and use a Toyota engine, a 3S-GTE, which is a Turbo'd Celica engine from the 3rd generation, really durable engine since its old school and has the iron block, its a 2.0L i beleive, but makes alot more power and is tried and true. The MR2's used to use it as well.

hmmm, would his stock tranny bolt up to a 2.0L?

[Shane5425]

no, 2.0 uses a differant manual tranny, they do share the same automatic but with differant bell housings and trq convertor.. and various small internals in the tranny, but for the most part they are the same, they have the same tranny code..

[THEGOLDPRO]

okokokokookkk ill clear this up for the nay sayers, lol i run 13-14 psi daily, have been for 2+ years on my 1.6 litre turbo, the motor IS 100% STOCK, BINKMAN, who has since turned his car into a fullout race car ran his at 15+ psi on a bone stock motor for years as well, the 1.6 litre does not need forged internals to run high psi,

i plan to max out my turbo at the upcoming dyno meet, and see what she will do, may i also note that my car has 100k on the stock motor, thats right 100k, and i still boost 12+ psi daily, so please shut your little cocksucker up, if you have no idea how strong the 1.6 litre is.

also i will video the run on the dyno for you homos who think its not possible to run that psi on my stock 100k 1.6 litre protege.

[Static03]

stfu and stop being stupid, middle school is over.

Name calling, that makes what you say OH so more credible.

[THEGOLDPRO]

yeah your right im lying, i really have a ford festiva.

[THEGOLDPRO]

also check the video in my sig thats like 8-10 psi in the winter.

[MIA protege]

lol yo dont waste ur time ...

[Static03]

Maybe your not lying, but the way you approach the subject makes me dismiss what you say right away. I can admit when im wrong if im shown it. Ive yet to see hardcore proof, and im sure as hell not taking your word or dyno sheets for it, that shows nothing.

[Shane5425]

yeah your right im lying, i really have a ford festiva.
lol.. i am done argueing. its pointless when u supply the facts and they still dont belive you..

[THEGOLDPRO]

what do you want me to do, tear my engine down and show you the stock pistons????? im confused here, why would i lie about being a stock engine?????

[Static03]

a video isnt facts.

can we get back on topic? cause your not convincing me, and besides, if your so sure your right, what do you care what i think?

[THEGOLDPRO]

d0od your a joke, if i was forged dont you think i would want people to know that???

[Static03]

what do you want me to do, tear my engine down and show you the stock pistons????? im confused here, why would i lie about being a stock engine?????


pretty much the only thing that would make me beleive you is to see the car with the heads off and see the bores and pistons for myself. Sorry, but for me, i've gotta see it to beleive it.

As for why you'd lie, im not sure, i dont want to insult anybody, but ive dealt with ALOT of stupid ricers and such befor, who think that dropped suspension and spoilers the size of their couch make them go faster. So forgive my being skeptic, when everything ive EVER learned, shows what you say, cannot be true. And if you were me, you wouldnt just throw away years of studying, cause some guy says he can boost 20 lbs stock. Now would you?

[MIA protege]

videos arent facts, pics arent facts, dyno sheets arent facts. nothing is facts for this guy unless u tear the engine down and show him the rods and pistons which none of us is doing so lets leave this guy believing what he wants

[Static03]

and whats with you and the insults and name calling? Cant you have a discussion maturely?

[MIA protege]

pretty much the only thing that would make me beleive you is to see the car with the heads off and see the bores and pistons for myself. Sorry, but for me, i've gotta see it to beleive it.

As for why you'd lie, im not sure, i dont want to insult anybody, but ive dealt with ALOT of stupid ricers and such befor, who think that dropped suspension and spoilers the size of their couch make them go faster. So forgive my being skeptic, when everything ive EVER learned, shows what you say, cannot be true. And if you were me, you wouldnt just throw away years of studying, cause some guy says he can boost 20 lbs stock. Now would you?

i understand where u coming from but u learn something new everyday. its PROVEN that this engine can hold 20psi on stock internals. for how long ?? no one knows yet. but definately can hold 15psi daily cuz its been proven by 2 ppl that i know of. probably more around this world.

[THEGOLDPRO]

this is so ghey, lol point is , i run 12+ psi daily, and im gonna run close to 16 on the dyno in like 1 week, so regaurdless of what you think, its the truth.

[Shane5425]

take it up with gold pro for the name calling, not us..

[Static03]

videos arent facts, pics arent facts, dyno sheets arent facts. nothing is facts for this guy unless u tear the engine down and show him the rods and pistons which none of us is doing so lets leave this guy believing what he wants


lmao its not proof! i could say whatever i want on a video, theres no way to see if its true, and i dont trust you people enough to just blindly beleive you. Fine w/e you think im wrong, so lets leave it at that, this isnt going anywhere. But I'd appreciate if the stupidity of name calling and insults would stop, i thought we were all adults here.

[Static03]

take it up with gold pro for the name calling, not us..


actually it was for him, you posted right befor i did. Apologies.

[Shane5425]

actually it was for him, you posted right befor i did. Apologies. k

[nate0123]

hmm, could be that they dont make forged pistons and rods for the 1.6l.. let alone the crank...you mean this didn't put the nail in the coffin for you, static?

[THEGOLDPRO]

lmao its not proof! i could say whatever i want on a video, theres no way to see if its true, and i dont trust you people enough to just blindly beleive you. Fine w/e you think im wrong, so lets leave it at that, this isnt going anywhere. But I'd appreciate if the stupidity of name calling and insults would stop, i thought we were all adults here.then stop being a fuckstick, and ill stop calling you one. your the one acting like a moron, like any of us have any reason to lie about our engines, wtf d0od pull your head out of your ass.

[Static03]

wtf is your problem man? are you on some kind of ego trip? i havnt insulted you, im expressing my opinion and knowledge, if YOU happen think its wrong, say so, the insults just arent called for, its nice to see how easy you get worked up though.

[THEGOLDPRO]

wtf is your problem man? are you on some kind of ego trip? i havnt insulted you, im expressing my opinion and knowledge, if YOU happen think its wrong, say so, the insults just arent called for, its nice to see how easy you get worked up though.

expressing my opinion and knowledge
my point is you obviously know nothing at all, stop being one sided, just because one engine cant handle 20 psi, doesn't mean another cant.

[THEGOLDPRO]

if YOU happen think its wrong oh btw i happin to think your wrong.

[Static03]

ive explained this. That is obviously true, dude your like talking to a wall, you dont understand anything. More insults, i work as a diesel technician okay? so i'd tend to think i know a LITTLE somthing about mechanics. As you said, yes some engines can take more than others, like the MK IV Supra engine could take up to 800hp on stock internals, that is a RARE exception and it common knowledge. Ive yet to ever hear about a mazda protege engine that can take it, the Supra is a top of the line car, the protege is a base car. So its HIGHLY unlikely it could take it. You guys get mad cause i wont take a video as proof. Fine, it seems nobody here is mature enough to handle sombody disagreeing with them. At least Shane realized i beleive what i beleive, and from what i know its not true, and he let it go, no name calling, no stupidity, and i respect him for that. You on the other hand are trash and are flying off the handle at absolutely nothing.

[THEGOLDPRO]

also you r telling me to stop calling you names, maybe if you didnt act like a tool, we woulden't have to.

20 psi? you put that on your car, and floor it, i DARE you. Why do you speak through your ass, with 20 psi you'd need forged pistons, cylidars, conrods, heads and valves.......jesus, learn mechanics befor you call what i say BS asshole quote one.


and in this video, it shows a STOCK engine on 20 psi of turbo boost? and you know for a fact, that it dosnt have forged internals? dude why do you waste my time asshole quote 2


Dude how old are you? 16? yea we all are.


Listen bud, im not a tuner like the rest of you, im a mechanic, ive been for years, i know what im talking about, if you choose not to beleive me, then dont yeah werr all tuners, all praise the allmighty super mechanic.


btw....nos stickers dont make your car go faster, since your obviously a ricer allhole quote 6??


you bunch of ricers, asshole quote 7


and listen, to bring more idiots or ricers into this. You people are under some kind of illusion that your cars can get 20lbs of boost and not blow.
asshole quote 8

do you see why we hate you????? you come on here, and try and act like you know everything, when in fact you are a fucking noob, d0od get a clue, and end yourself.

[THEGOLDPRO]

and we dont give a fuck if your an aero space engineer for nasa, i speak from experiance, you speak from your asshole.

[Static03]

Your obviously not taking medication or somthing. But you know what, im a noob on this forum by joined date, nothing else. And theres somthing seriously wrong with you. "We hate you" who's we? how many people you got inside your head man? you take it all to heart? every argument you have gives you the right to flip out? your prolly one of these assholes in the street who wants to fight for everything and gets his ass kicked.

[Shane5425]

i think he got u on that one static..

[Shane5425]

id say the name calling static 7 goldpro 7


stay tuned to find out the final results, i am takin bets.. pm me

[Static03]

And so you can feel you won, since im tired of this and thought i'd join for sport, i'll leave the forum. Dude i really hope you have that anger problem taken care of in the future, cause nobody is gonna put up with that. And this time, try and pass the 9th grade.

[THEGOLDPRO]

Your obviously not taking medication or somthing. But you know what, im a noob on this forum by joined date, nothing else. And theres somthing seriously wrong with you. "We hate you" who's we? how many people you got inside your head man? you take it all to heart? every argument you have gives you the right to flip out? your prolly one of these assholes in the street who wants to fight for everything and gets his ass kicked.
i only start shit with dumb noobs, why dont you go flaunt your cool diesel mechanic skills on some big rig forum, cause your shit aint flying here.

you obviously know shit about shit, so please for the sake of not making yourself seem even more mentaly retarted, shut your mouth.

[Static03]

Shane, i appreciate the way you carried yourself, i really do. Best of luck to you.

[THEGOLDPRO]

And so you can feel you won, since im tired of this and thought i'd join for sport, i'll leave the forum. Dude i really hope you have that anger problem taken care of in the future, cause nobody is gonna put up with that. And this time, try and pass the 9th grade. good dont let the door on the short bus hit your ass on the way out noob.

[Shane5425]

i wonder what the thread starter thinks now?? he hasnt responded... lol

[TampaSport20]

Ummm..just to stick another point for the non-beleiver...the 1.6L ZM-DE get's it's roots from the 1.6L Miata BP engine.. It's very strong. There are multiple 1.6ers running boost with no internal work. Static, your arguement is VERY weak. You are arguing that because the protege is a base car that he engine is inherently weak ??? First of all in its homeland(Japan), the Protege is not the base car. Also, take a physics class..shorter rod = stronger rod...Me thinks someone just has a little envy because their 2.0L can't handle the boost without building the short block. Plus you are arguing with 2 guys currently running boosted 1.6L's telling them they can't do what they are currently doing...Guess what ??? No one makes forged internal parts for a ZM engine. Period . So they are running stock internals.

[Marik123]

20 psi on 1.6L sounds crazy. Hopefully it will not explode like a bomb after 2 minutes of hard driving...

[Shane5425]

20 psi on 1.6L sounds crazy. Hopefully it will not explode like a bomb after 2 minutes of hard driving...
i dont think it will, juan said he would have pushed it more, but it was a customers car, the turbo was only good for 22 psi too, it would not suprise me one bit that it can hold that daily

[charles]

http://www.bpt-racer.com/cheerup.gif

I have an A+ degree, I know more about computers than you do (second) (blah)

[MIA protege]

ooo man that was uncalled for ....

[charles]

This supposed mechanic is a moron.

[MIA protege]

This supposed mechanic is a moron.

haha we all know this

[vindication]

wow static, you are saying everyone on here is on ego trips yet you calim to "know the truth". very interesting. this proves to me that 1)you are very hard headed, 2)you may know about diesels but dont know anything about our engines, 3)you are an oxymoron, 4)on a very high horse. please get over yourself and stop being a noob who doesn't wanna be proven wrong like it's the end of the world.

[evilmonkeyMSP]

wow....STATIC you are a fucking tool....you say:

"You people are under some kind of illusion that your cars can get 20lbs of boost and not blow.

If that were the case, everyone with a civic or corolla would be a WHOLE lot faster.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->"

well....I'm not a mechanic but atleast I know that the motor in the Protege & the Civic are 2 completely different engines.... Do you think maybe just maybe they might have been built differently too. Just because they both make a 1.6L doesnt mean that Mazda & Honda got together and said "Hey buddies, lets build an engine!". No, they were built seperatly w/ different internals. I'm sure mazda didnt know the full potential of the motor they built because obviously if they weren't going to sell the car w/ a turbo pushing 20lbs why the fuck would they test that. Shit just happens, they built a motor that can handle it, just because they have no idea about it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

dont be a fucking putz man, I know a guy thats a deisel mechanic & he's the biggest most idiotic redneck Hick Ive ever met so obviously that means SHIT!!! Plus...doing oil changes on semis...yeah that doesnt necessarily make you a mechanic.

You're a stupid IGNORANT asshole...you're so convinced that you know everything that you blinded by the fucking truth.......dude, go smear some peanut buter on your ass & have your dog lick it off cuz your a fucking asshat!!!!

Thanks

[Shane5425]

so cruel.. lol

[THEGOLDPRO]

"We hate you" who's we? how many people you got inside your head man? by we i mean all of us that posted, lol WE HATE YOU! i hope thats clear enough no0b,

yeah but anyways he is def a moron, like i would have any reason to lie about my engine being stock, lol

i could see him debating it if no one had a boosted 1.6 litre, and we were just hoping it would hold 20psi, but to tell a d0od that HAS a turbo 1.6 litre that my car wont handle more the 5psi without blowing, is retarted, lol like d0od got a freaking clue.

[evilmonkeyMSP]

um GOLDPRO...thats not a Protege your driving..its a toyota... dont lie.
And I am not going to believe that it is a Protege until I see the registration paperwork..

LOL sorry, I had to



by we i mean all of us that posted, lol WE HATE YOU! i hope thats clear enough no0b,

yeah but anyways he is def a moron, like i would have any reason to lie about my engine being stock, lol

i could see him debating it if no one had a boosted 1.6 litre, and we were just hoping it would hold 20psi, but to tell a d0od that HAS a turbo 1.6 litre that my car wont handle more the 5psi without blowing, is retarted, lol like d0od got a freaking clue.

[justanotheradikt]

i have to say...this is one thread that made me laugh....hard

[nate0123]

i have to say...this is one thread that made me laugh....hard(mswerd) good stuff

[THEGOLDPRO]

um GOLDPRO...thats not a Protege your driving..its a toyota... dont lie.
And I am not going to believe that it is a Protege until I see the registration paperwork..

LOL sorry, I had tolol yeah let me go tear my engine down, and show you guys, lol

[Shane5425]

make sure u have a piece of paper with ur Screen name and date.. or it might not be legit.. lol

[evilmonkeyMSP]

I'm sorry, I will not except this....must be NOTARIZED!!!!!


make sure u have a piece of paper with ur Screen name and date.. or it might not be legit.. lol

[peepsalot]

Oh man, this shit is hilarious.

1.6l turbo owners are ricers!!! LOL. All 1.6l engines are the same. The displacement of your engine obviously determines how much boost you can run. And stop calling people names you idiot ricers!!!

[peepsalot]

;)

[Thug541]

hahaha oh boy. At the same level, its like saying 1.6 engines can't be boosted to a high psi, is saying the VW 1.5 Turbo engines can't be boosted high.....engines are all made differently. I actually didn't believe it, but i saw proof so now i am jealous haha. either way, i drive an automatic, so turbo dreams are just not there (possible WOMP? but i like my A/C thank you very much)

[HiBoost TS]

Let me chime in.

You need to understand how an engine works. The 1.6 liter in the PROTEGE is a short stroke with short connecting rods. These engines are very turbo friendly because of these characteristics. The 2.0 is long stroke and with long and thin connecting rods and this make it a little weak for higher boost.

I have built more than 5 1.6 Proteges that have been running 22 psi every thusrday night at the 1/4 mile without having ONE single issue yet. Of course we run them on VP C16 fuel, but still all components inside the engine are all stock. The key to this is to get the correct timing and Air/fuel ratio and you are set.

There are some people that do not believe some facts even if they are proven. You can see that with our 12.5 sec run with the P5, some still say that we used NOS or any other kind of spray to make that time, when the truth is that we ran only on boost.

20 PSI of boost is not that much if the correct tuning is done.

[HiBoost TS]

hahaha oh boy. At the same level, its like saying 1.6 engines can't be boosted to a high psi, is saying the VW 1.5 Turbo engines can't be boosted high.....engines are all made differently. I actually didn't believe it, but i saw proof so now i am jealous haha. either way, i drive an automatic, so turbo dreams are just not there (possible WOMP? but i like my A/C thank you very much)

You can set your boost at 5 psi and your tranny will be fine. It will still make 135 WHP.

[Shane5425]

Let me chime in.

You need to understand how an engine works. The 1.6 liter in the PROTEGE is a short stroke with short connecting rods. These engines are very turbo friendly because of these characteristics. The 2.0 is long stroke and with long and thin connecting rods and this make it a little weak for higher boost.

I have built more than 5 1.6 Proteges that have been running 22 psi every thusrday night at the 1/4 mile without having ONE single issue yet. Of course we run them on VP C16 fuel, but still all components inside the engine are all stock. The key to this is to get the correct timing and Air/fuel ratio and you are set.

There are some people that do not believe some facts even if they are proven. You can see that with our 12.5 sec run with the P5, some still say that we used NOS or any other kind of spray to make that time, when the truth is that we ran only on boost.

20 PSI of boost is not that much if the correct tuning is done.

man, ur late.. he left 2 days ago.. lol

[evilmonkeyMSP]

wouldnt matter....he would have to meet you & watch you tear the engine down.... cuz compared to him, you dont know shit

according to him that is.... (yupnope)

[Kansei]

stfu and stop being stupid, middle school is over.

Name calling, that makes what you say OH so more credible.]

What a tool... ugh I hate n00bs!!(chair)(chair)(gtfo)

[MIA protege]

PM Juan

[Witchdoktor]

been on 5 psi non intercooled for a year and a half now problem free

but I'm not stock........I have an APC sticker across my windshield

[TXMazdaSpeeder]

i stopped reading at page 6, static. you sir an idiot. thank you come again.

[MIA protege]

been on 5 psi non intercooled for a year and a half now problem free

but I'm not stock........I have an APC sticker across my windshield

hahahaha

[Captain KRM P5]

i carry the 1.6 liter hiboost turbo kit - pm me for details

[Shane5425]

been on 5 psi non intercooled for a year and a half now problem free

but I'm not stock........I have an APC sticker across my windshield

when u gonna intercool that thing... i am sure u can get a junkyard intercooler out of an old turbo car for 30 to 40 bucks... would help it breath alot better with cooler air..

[MIA protege]

when u gonna intercool that thing... i am sure u can get a junkyard intercooler out of an old turbo car for 30 to 40 bucks... would help it breath alot better with cooler air..

it will be soon ... hes just buying time lol

[Shane5425]

haha, witch, u slow.... get the led out ur ass.... lmao

[MIA protege]

hahaha ...

[HI-RES]

I have built more than 5 1.6 Proteges that have been running 22 psi every thusrday night at the 1/4 mile without having ONE single issue yet.


What 1/4 mile times are people hittin?
how bad is the torque steer on high boost? ...maybe thats a rhetorical question

[MIA protege]

hmm i wonder what they ran in the 1/4 too ... good question