Mazdaspeed's perimeter alarm

[gyrospeed]

Well, for those of you who haven't gotten your MSP's yet, be sure that you check that the factory perimeter alarm comes standard b/c mine didn't come with a perimeter alarm. I know this b/c I just got an Alpine Dual Zone alarm and the guys that installed it said that the factory alarm was crap and that it wasn't even perimeter. When I asked my dealer at the time I picked up the car, they said that it was perimeter. They were full of crap! I just wanted to let everyone know so that they don't get screwed like I did!

[Dexter]

the factory alarm on my ES sucks biig balls. my back window was smashed and broken, and the the alarm never even went off...:rolleyes:

id bet the same alarm is in the MSP.
im totally buying a better one :rolleyes:

[digi168]

mine came with the perimeter alarm and goes off all the time, way to sensitive and no adjustability, getting Kings gun alarm installed on wednesday!!!!

[dafababa]

I will agree that the perimiter alarm is very very sensitive. But I would rather have 100 false alarms than no alarms at all if the car is being messed around with.

[digi168]

there is sensitive and there is overly sensitive and then there is Mazda sensitive.

Parking in my driveway this thing goes off if I look out the window at it...

Can't wait to get the new one installed....

[Dexter]

damn, how come everyone elses alarms work and mine doesnt do shit, lol :(

[Sir Nuke]

okay...I am wondering if the alarm you got on your MSP is the same factory alarm that mazda put on the P-5.....if so....there is an adjustment for the sensitivity....

when I first got my car you could sneeze next to it and the damn thing would go off....if I was parked on the street, if ANY car or truck went by with any kind of exhaust other than stock it would set off the alarm.....

then I learned that you CAN adjust the sensitivity of the alarm....if you look under the dash on the drivers side....there is a small box about the size of a zippo lighter....and there is a small white or gray knob sticking out of it....you turn the knob counterclockwise to DECREASE the sensitivity....

these alarms were/are made by CODE ALERT. there is a Code Alert sticker right on that little box.

[mazdadan]

My ES came with just keyless entry. The perimeter alarm was optional and is manufactured by CODE ALARM, just like Nuke said. Since keyless entry is practically half of the alarm system, I just purchased a Hornet 700T add-on alarm system. It was well under $100 bucks and I can still use my factory remotes. It also has more advanced options like starter kill, remote start, etc.

[dpmmsp]

My msp came with a standard remote entry fob and an alarm that honked the horn and flashed the lights if a door or hood is opened. I went through the manual and checked with the mechanic and there was no perimeter alarm. I have since had it replaced.:)

[Sir Nuke]

Originally posted by dpmmsp
My msp came with a standard remote entry fob and an alarm that honked the horn and flashed the lights if a door or hood is opened. I went through the manual and checked with the mechanic and there was no perimeter alarm. I have since had it replaced.:)

well I guess since you already had it replaced....its a moot point...but you DID have a perimeter alarm....but what probably had happened was the sensitivity had been turned down all the way and the shock sensor wouldn't set it off.....I have seen this quite often too. the "boxes" were set somewhat randomly...some high...some low...but it was always one of the extreams....

The alarm that comes from the dealer is an option, and it does tie into the fractory keyless entry.....and it has not only sensors for the doors/hatch...but also for shock/vibration. The alarm system is made by CODE ALERT.

did the guys leave the old system wired into your car? or did they remove it? if they removed it...did they give it to you? if its still in there....just for shits and giggles...look under the dash for that little zippo lighter sized box I mentioned...its above the and to the drivers side of the stearing column and you will find a little knob on one corner of it....that is the sensitivity adjustment for the shock/vibration sensor....

MY DEALER didn't know shit about it either.....it was people on this board that taught me about how it worked and how to adjust it.

and there was a reason that your dealers mechanic couldn't find anything in the book about it....because there is nothing in the manual about it. Believe me....many if not most of the mechanics at the dealers don't know jack about our cars....that is a proven fact.

HOWEVER, you may have found a small leaflett in with your manual from code alert....not everyone got one.....I happened to...it even tells you what the codes are when you come back to find that the car has been disturbed...and the horn will honk a few times when you turn the alarm off....the number of times it honks tells you why the alarm went off. Also....with the factory/dealer installed alarm.....you may have noticed that when you hit LOCK once the lights falsh adn the doors lock, and the alarm arms......and if you push LOCK again,within 5 seconds the lights flash again and the horn honks ONCE.....this is a confirmation that the doors are in fact locked and the alarm did set....if the horn doesn't honk...something is worng and it didn't arm.....TYPICALLY what people will find was they were just in side the back of the car and the hatch is not 100% shut....but if ANY door is not 100% shut the alarm will not arm and the horn will not honk the second time you push the LOCK button on the fob.

[mazdadan]

Did anybody else notice the strange spot that the factory keyless entry module is located? If you have a sedan, it is under the rear deck plastic piece. When I was changing my speakers a while back, I noticed it there. It is a little box that says Naldec on it.

I wonder where Mazda put this keyless entry module in the P5?

[dpmmsp]

Sir N. ... I think this is another place where Mazda's differ north and south of the border. Either that or dealership to dealership.
The mechanic didn't look at the manual ... I did .... it sitting here next to me .... "Security System Owner's Manual ... Mazda".
The first line is "Thank you for purchasing the Mazda Security Upgrade package".
The manual is a total of 5 pages .... there is no shock sensor, no sensitivity swiitch (I looked). It was a black box about 4" x 6" with a few wires ... they gave it to me but I didn't really look at it .... I'll look tonight.

[jroof]

I'll agree with dpmmsp on this one, at least as far as the size of the box. My roommate has an '02 ES and he hates the alarm because it's way too sensitive. I told him about this thread and we checked it out last night. What we found was a box, about 4' x 6; with fuses and wires running out of it. One of the harnesses is marked 'Shock'. There is no knob for adjusting the sensitivity. Although I'm wondering what would happen if this portion of the alarm was unplugged. Would the alarm still function as far as sensing opened doors, attempted start, etc?

[JasonH]

Originally posted by dpmmsp
Sir N. ... I think this is another place where Mazda's differ north and south of the border. Either that or dealership to dealership.
The mechanic didn't look at the manual ... I did .... it sitting here next to me .... "Security System Owner's Manual ... Mazda".
The first line is "Thank you for purchasing the Mazda Security Upgrade package".
The manual is a total of 5 pages .... there is no shock sensor, no sensitivity swiitch (I looked). It was a black box about 4" x 6" with a few wires ... they gave it to me but I didn't really look at it .... I'll look tonight.
So what's the "upgrade"?

[dpmmsp]

Dunno ..... I phoned the dealer and asked him to get to the bottom of it.

[Sir Nuke]

Originally posted by dpmmsp
Sir N. ... I think this is another place where Mazda's differ north and south of the border. Either that or dealership to dealership.
The mechanic didn't look at the manual ... I did .... it sitting here next to me .... "Security System Owner's Manual ... Mazda".
The first line is "Thank you for purchasing the Mazda Security Upgrade package".
The manual is a total of 5 pages .... there is no shock sensor, no sensitivity swiitch (I looked). It was a black box about 4" x 6" with a few wires ... they gave it to me but I didn't really look at it .... I'll look tonight.

ahhh YES...I failed to notice earlier that you are from UP NORTH...and very well things are different between the two. and when you refered to "THE MANUAL" i figured you were talking about the actual cars manual...NOT the alarms few page manual that they put in with the rest of the papers they give you....

SO....evidently yours is different.



JROOF.....could your friend see if the box had a sticker on it telling him what brand it was? I find it odd that his ES is the same year model as mine...and we are both in the states and that they are different.....hmmmmmm very interesting. This is the first I have heard of anyones factory alarm being different.......it doesn't surprise me that the canadian and US versions are different...but it does surprise me that his and mine are different. Have him check it out.....and look very closely at the box if it is in fact a CODE ALERT brand...and the KNOB I spoke of is very small and easily overlooked...I know I didn't even notice mine the first time I looked at it....untill someone told me it was there and to go back and LOOK for it.....it was near one of the corners of the box.

[jroof]

Nuke...
we didn't look all that long, but I didn't notice CODE ALERT specifically on the sticker. The sticker that was there had a couple of double digit codes and their corresponding meanings. The box itself was black. The shock portion of the alarm was in the upper right corner and the harness entered right there. There was no knob in that corner. I only looked for a mintue as he had to leave but we'll give it a closer look tonight. Thanks.

[Newf]

Still doesn't explain why Digi's had the permiter and dpmmsp's doesn't. Their both in Canada....what's going on here? Is some of us getting screwed, and some not?

[Sir Nuke]

Originally posted by newf
Still doesn't explain why Digi's had the permiter and dpmmsp's doesn't. Their both in Canada....what's going on here? Is some of us getting screwed, and some not?

some of us very well could be....hmmmm

and that would surprise who? certainly not me! lol (stash)

[gyrospeed]

When the shop ionstalled my new alarm they showed me the Mazda stock alarm box. It is a 4x6 black box with a sticker on it that says Mazda Security System or some bulls**t like that. There was no knob to adjust sensitivity and the guys at the shop examined the alarm and confirmed that it WASN'T a perimeter. I called my dealer to ask if he knew anything about this. He "says" that he'll look into it but I doubt it!

[Newf]

the brochure specifically states, "anti-theft perimter alarm system"

If it aint' there......make them put it there, or take money off of car.

[slug420]

ding ding ding!
I didnt check the black msp i sat in but the orange one in MA i sat in today did not have the perimeter alarm either.

the salesman said the perimeter alarm was to warn you if you were backing up and going to hit something it would beep :rolleyes:

bottom line, window sticker says perimeter alarm, im paying for one in the 20,500 so the car should come with one, and if it doesnt, all the better, the dealer can pay for me to have a 3rd party alarm installed
:)

msp owners in the US sound off, do you have a perimeter alarm? and can someone post a pic of the keychain alarm controller thingy? maybe its diff for perimeter alarm cars and non perimeter alarm cars and it would be an easy way of determinign which you got...........

[oliver2000]

Limted edition found his adjustment knob on his msp after several tries...there is a thread about it

[Sir Nuke]

Originally posted by slug420
ding ding ding!
the salesman said the perimeter alarm was to warn you if you were backing up and going to hit something it would beep :rolleyes:



Personally I think your salesman has his head up his butt like a lot of them do....insted of telling people "I don't know but I will find out for you" and doing so....they make stuff up so you THINK they know what they are talking about.....

a perimeter alarm is NOT a back up alarm.....its what it says...an alarm for the entire PERIMETER of the car, its an alarm that does NOT require a door, hood or hatch to be opened for it to go off...but rather just a bump of the car....someone bushing a window...that sort of thing its a THEFT deterent.

AND its OBVIOUS that the MSP DOES have this type or alarm...or at least SOME people are getting one as is evident by THIS THREAD (http://forum.protegemp3.com/vbb222/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11171&perpage=15&pagenumber=1) as Limited Edition wanted to know how to decrease the sensitivity of it....and did so.....and we found out that his PERIMETER alarm is just like the one that mazda put in my 2002 P-5, as the box is the same...and it adjusts the same....

THIS is what leads me to believe that your salesman is blowing smoke up your butt.....and has HIS head up his own.

[mazdarx7power]

so do all p5's have a perimeter alarm. cause i can start kicking my car and an alarm wont go off...... all that i've seen is the regular keyless entry. the only time mines goes off is the warning button on the keyless entry remote.... other then that not a whistle...

[slug420]

but there were some people who said even after having aftermarkets installed there was no evidence of a factory one having ever been there. so could someone describe their alarm controller keychain thing? just a lock unlock and panic button? and with sensitivity turned all the way down how do you set the alarm off? and is the perimeter alarm just the flashing lights and beeping horn or is it a real alarm noise?

also, how do you arm the alarm?

thx

[Sir Nuke]

Originally posted by mazdarx7power
so do all p5's have a perimeter alarm. cause i can start kicking my car and an alarm wont go off...... all that i've seen is the regular keyless entry. the only time mines goes off is the warning button on the keyless entry remote.... other then that not a whistle...

NO. not all P-5's have/had them...it was/is an OPTION.

if you THINK you have a factory alarm....look between your steering wheel and your guage cluster....is there a little red led sticking up? one that flashes when you set the locks with your keyless entry fob? if there is...you HAVE a factory alarm....if there is NOT one there...you do NOT have a factory alarm.

[Sir Nuke]

Originally posted by slug420
but there were some people who said even after having aftermarkets installed there was no evidence of a factory one having ever been there. so could someone describe their alarm controller keychain thing? just a lock unlock and panic button? and with sensitivity turned all the way down how do you set the alarm off? and is the perimeter alarm just the flashing lights and beeping horn or is it a real alarm noise?

also, how do you arm the alarm?

thx

IF I had/have a 2003 (specifically the MSP that supposedly comes standard with a perimeter alarm) and it didn't work properly....BEFORE I went and had an aftermarket alarm installed I would be back at the dealer in a heart beat....after all...you PAID for it....

as for the alarm itself....the 2002's ALARM was only the flashing lights and the horn....no special siren was installed...and it used the SAME remote as the cars without the alarm....i have two 2002 P-5's...one WITH an alarm...and one without....the keyless entry fob is the same.....but the car WITH the alarm...when you lock your doors like normal...it automatically arms the alarm....

as for turning the sensitivity down all the way....well if you do that....it just makes it HARDER to set the alarm off....and you may be able to turn it down so far that you in effect disarm that partion of the alarm....by making it so NONE sensitive that it won't go off. but opening a door or the hood or the hatch without disarming the alarm will still set it off.