Which intercooler on stock internals?

[mspeed101]

Ok I am debating whether to run the mam fmic or the turbohoses smic with hardpipes. I do not plan on building the motor and want the most efficient setup that will get me the best gains. I am planning on putting every possible bolt on and fuel management on my car and am gonna try to hit around 250whp. Which intercooler do you think will be best for my goals and why?

[jflo]

i think the MAM fmic would be better just 'cause it might be a little safer to achieve 250whp with it. like you'll have better head room than with an upgraded smic

[Vampyre]

i have customs smic and i love it

[Fede_italiano]

i have customs smic and i love it
I have the same question.

Federico

[pdhaudio83]

Currently, 505zoom is running the Mental Addiction FMIC and has 260+whp on stock internals :)

[BlkZoomZoom]

I ran 13.15 and 107mph with the stock intercooler and pipes and internals...

[turbo speedy]

I ran 13.15 and 107mph with the stock intercooler and pipes and internals...

ya with like 18psi and blew the motor??

[BlkZoomZoom]

12-13psi and after 320 passes.

[Mental Addiction]

I ran 13.15 and 107mph with the stock intercooler and pipes and internals...

If this is the case, imagine what you could have done with a FMIC.It's a known fact that just about any FMIC is better than stock.How long have you had your MSP and how often did you go to the strip?What does your car wieght dry and with you in it?

[CChris704]

wait whats wrong with the perrin in your sig... did i miss something?

[sXe]

wait whats wrong with the perrin in your sig... did i miss something?

I'm wondering the same

[jflo]

12-13psi and after 320 passes.

and ya blew it AFTER you put drag radials on

[mspeed101]

i think the MAM fmic would be better just 'cause it might be a little safer to achieve 250whp with it. like you'll have better head room than with an upgraded smicDo you think the smic will start losing efficency at 230-250whp?

wait whats wrong with the perrin in your sig... did i miss something?I sold it

[505zoom]

12-13psi and after 320 passes.

Vid of even ONE of these passes?(poke)

:p

[mspeed101]

Vid of even ONE of these passes?(poke)

:pwerd lol

[turbo speedy]

12-13psi and after 320 passes.
ya i dont believe that... i would need a time slip or a vid... but then again you might have a freak like me (sssh)

[BlkZoomZoom]

If this is the case, imagine what you could have done with a FMIC.It's a known fact that just about any FMIC is better than stock.How long have you had your MSP and how often did you go to the strip?What does your car wieght dry and with you in it?


Yeah I imagine it woulda cut the times down quite abit. However metal pipes weigh more than the stock stuff.
I have owned it for 2yrs. It has been to almost (broke a couple of diffs in there) every Wedneday night event (Right around an avg. of 8-10 runs... 21 events a year) And every other saturday for the Sport Compact events. Not counting the 6 times it has been autocrossed or the 5 times it has been to Englishtown. It's avg. weight at the track with me in it is 2963. I never weighed it without me in it, but I weigh around 160.


I have a few videos of the car running a couple of 13.4's except they are on VHS. I just got the digital camera this winter. And as everybody knows, time slips are in the 1/4 mile thread.

[Mental Addiction]

Yeah I imagine it woulda cut the times down quite abit. However metal pipes weigh more than the stock stuff.
I have owned it for 2yrs. It has been to almost (broke a couple of diffs in there) every Wedneday night event (Right around an avg. of 8-10 runs... 21 events a year) And every other saturday for the Sport Compact events. Not counting the 6 times it has been autocrossed or the 5 times it has been to Englishtown. It's avg. weight at the track with me in it is 2963. I never weighed it without me in it, but I weigh around 160.


I have a few videos of the car running a couple of 13.4's except they are on VHS. I just got the digital camera this winter. And as everybody knows, time slips are in the 1/4 mile thread.


To run 105.6mph in the quarter mile with a 2963lb race weight that would mean you are making roughly 272whp..You said you ran this speed on a stock setup with just 12-13psi?Am I reading this right? You also said you have gone as fast as 107mph, this means you need 282whp..I'm just wanting to make sure I am understanding this.

[ca_deal1]

To run 105.6mph in the quarter mile with a 2963lb race weight that would mean you are making roughly 272whp..You said you ran this speed on a stock setup with just 12-13psi?Am I reading this right? You also said you have gone as fast as 107mph, this means you need 282whp..I'm just wanting to make sure I am understanding this.

I agree good driving skill will help, but I dont think with stock everything just 12-13psi you can do 13.1５。

[poboxjosh]

Its all STOCK modified. stock exhaust with "cats" stock air box with gaping hole in it. Stock Turbo with custom work.

[BlkZoomZoom]

lol. never said I have stock exhaust. The turbo, intercooler, exhaust manifold, piping, intake, engine were all stock. Everything else had been played with. But yes, you got the jist of it.

Your hp calculator is alittle off from the one I use, I was thinking around 250-270. Oh if you guys don't believe me ask SpicyMchaggis, Protege520003, Ehawley or Pretzellogic. They have all seen the car run at the track, and/or been in it.

[Larone]

Exactly how was everything else played with?

[BlkZoomZoom]

I have covered this before. I suggest searching. I have hid very little on what I have done with this car, and always try to give people suggestions whenever possible.

[mspeed101]

so back on topic guys do you think the turbohoses smic will lose efficiency at 230-250whp?

[vindication]

no

[geomatics_tech]

I have the turbo hoses smic, and it made a huge difference in my cars performance. A good rule of thumb would be, stock boost or low boost for a smic, high boost on a fmic. But, any after market intercooler will be far superior than the stock POS.

shaun (canada)

[CChris704]

why'd you sell the perrin just out of curiosity? That seems like its a great intercooler.

[mspeed101]

why'd you sell the perrin just out of curiosity? That seems like its a great intercooler.I was planning on building the motor and going all out with the car thats why I bought it but now I am not building the motor and keeping the stock turbo possibly so its too big for the goals im looking for which is only 230-250whp

[atticus1398]

so back on topic guys do you think the turbohoses smic will lose efficiency at 230-250whp?

no, but your rods will. Ive got customs smic and turbohoses pipes along with a unichip. my stock potenzas break loose in 3rd at 60mph. have a feeling ill be getting in on Beaus new h-beam rod group buy soon, and maybe a clutch too. pulled 176 whp before the unichip at 7psi. i have yet to dyno with the unichip at 11psi. needless to say, i am happy i saved a few hundred bucks by getting the smic. dont really think my whp would be any higher with an fmic. maybe if i had a bigger turbo.

[wicked]

the turbohoses has a good sized core,and matched with the alluminum piping it will cover 10-12 psi no problem.

I can't say if it will be good for 250 hp,because if you do the motor right,it shouldn't take a lot of boost to get that.
but if you just add boost to a untuned engine it won't fair vary well.

BTW,if you wanted to get a little more out of your turbohoses SMIC you could get some different fans,(spal maybe) that only cover the radiator,and not the intercooler.

[BlkZoomZoom]

no, but your rods will. Ive got customs smic and turbohoses pipes along with a unichip. my stock potenzas break loose in 3rd at 60mph. have a feeling ill be getting in on Beaus new h-beam rod group buy soon, and maybe a clutch too. pulled 176 whp before the unichip at 7psi. i have yet to dyno with the unichip at 11psi. needless to say, i am happy i saved a few hundred bucks by getting the smic. dont really think my whp would be any higher with an fmic. maybe if i had a bigger turbo.

damn breaking the tires loose at 60mph in 3rd. gear at maybe 200hp....Thats pretty damn impressive, I can't even do that yet. sorry for the t/j

[atticus1398]

damn breaking the tires loose at 60mph in 3rd. gear at maybe 200hp....Thats pretty damn impressive, I can't even do that yet. sorry for the t/j

that's at 60 in 5th, dropping to 3rd and mashing it.

[mspeed101]

that's at 60 in 5th, dropping to 3rd and mashing it.damn that is impressive. With a fmic, intake, boost controller, and 3inch exhaust I couldnt even do that. Well actually I did do it in the rain lol

[505zoom]

damn breaking the tires loose at 60mph in 3rd. gear at maybe 200hp....Thats pretty damn impressive, I can't even do that yet. sorry for the t/j

Yea I was gonna say the same thing... I can't break the tires free in third at all even with 260+whp. Only one I know that can do it is focus, and he said that he has only been able to do it since he put in the Mental Addiction exhaust manny. I believe he was making 300+ before he put in the manifold, and he probably picked up 30 or more from it.

What's up with your tires atticus?(poke)

[atticus1398]

when i say "break" i dont mean a "back to the future" scorched earth fire trail. lol. it was also 45 degrees here, boost gauge spiked near 15. kinda scary really. i need to dyno again. when temps dip under 45, potenzas seem like they turn into hard plastic. regardless, im pleased with custom's smic.

[jurgs01]

Since you live in Florida I would probably go with the FMIC. There is nothing wrong with either. I have the turbohoses SMIC and some of Beau's parts and both do top notch work. I am trying for around 250-280 daily driver on the turbohoses. I am also trying to get 200whp on stock boost before I even raise the boost (cause hell, that's the easy part:) You can't go wrong with either.

[turbo speedy]

i think i have 200whp (peep)

[poboxjosh]

Focus had 325 before manifold. and i have no trouble spinning tires in 3rd gear. when running through 1st and second

[daedalus]

focus had no problem spinning the tires or the threads straight off the gears in third!

[wicked]

yeah,it's eay if you do it through the gears,but not to just break them loose in 3'rd

I had no problem breaking them loose in third when my poteza's were going bald,even easier when my proxes 4 wear on thier way out.

I just had,FMIC,4" intake,3" exhaust,FCD,9 psi.

[Mental Addiction]

lol. never said I have stock exhaust. The turbo, intercooler, exhaust manifold, piping, intake, engine were all stock. Everything else had been played with. But yes, you got the jist of it.

Your hp calculator is alittle off from the one I use, I was thinking around 250-270. Oh if you guys don't believe me ask SpicyMchaggis, Protege520003, Ehawley or Pretzellogic. They have all seen the car run at the track, and/or been in it.

The MPH in the 1/4 tells the HP story.The formual hasn't changed and uses the same mathametics at always has.I did alittle research and come to you have the following:
Built motor that is a long rod
heavily ported and polished cylinder head and intake
hybrid turbo with a GT28RS or GT2871 compressor wheel
ported manifold and S-pipe.
Stock intercooler that has been played with and stock pipes
MPI tuner running extra injectors

Did I miss anything?This isn't a stock setup and is now alittle more believable that you trapped 106MPH.
I assume you are a Street racer and like to say you have a stock setup to get races with people that you will beat.We do custom setups for this type of customer all the time.

[505zoom]

The MPH in the 1/4 tells the HP story.The formual hasn't changed and uses the same mathametics at always has.I did alittle research and come to you have the following:
Built motor that is a long rod
heavily ported and polished cylinder head and intake
hybrid turbo with a GT28RS or GT2871 compressor wheel
ported manifold and S-pipe.
Stock intercooler that has been played with and stock pipes
MPI tuner running extra injectors

Did I miss anything?This isn't a stock setup and is now alittle more believable that you trapped 106MPH.
I assume you are a Street racer and like to say you have a stock setup to get races with people that you will beat.We do custom setups for this type of customer all the time.

Sounds about right to me. His motor wasn't built last year though IIRC.

[mspeed101]

The MPH in the 1/4 tells the HP story.The formual hasn't changed and uses the same mathametics at always has.I did alittle research and come to you have the following:
Built motor that is a long rod
heavily ported and polished cylinder head and intake
hybrid turbo with a GT28RS or GT2871 compressor wheel
ported manifold and S-pipe.
Stock intercooler that has been played with and stock pipes
MPI tuner running extra injectors

Did I miss anything?This isn't a stock setup and is now alittle more believable that you trapped 106MPH.
I assume you are a Street racer and like to say you have a stock setup to get races with people that you will beat.We do custom setups for this type of customer all the time.I want that setup (evil)

[vindication]

yeah, the times he put up last year was without the built motor or turbo or ported head though

[BlkZoomZoom]

The MPH in the 1/4 tells the HP story.The formual hasn't changed and uses the same mathametics at always has.I did alittle research and come to you have the following:
Built motor that is a long rod
heavily ported and polished cylinder head and intake
hybrid turbo with a GT28RS or GT2871 compressor wheel
ported manifold and S-pipe.
Stock intercooler that has been played with and stock pipes
MPI tuner running extra injectors

Did I miss anything?This isn't a stock setup and is now alittle more believable that you trapped 106MPH.
I assume you are a Street racer and like to say you have a stock setup to get races with people that you will beat.We do custom setups for this type of customer all the time.

Actually that is the set-up I have now. I posted all the pics. of what I have done this winter in my thread in F/I. Again, I have kept very little on what I have done. Last year it was all stock. Just bought the rods, pistons, turbo work from MpNick this spring. I am sure if he wanted to waste his time in this petty debate he could also attest to my turbo set-up being stock last year. And no I don't street race. I run a Pure Street class at the local track. If you do not believe me that is fine, you are not the first and more than likely will not be the last. Anytime you are up in NY we can have a cup of coffee and discuss modifications you can do and what type of gains you can expect.

[BlkZoomZoom]

Also just to add... Haven't you ever noticed that turbo cars seem to bend that mathamatical formula? For instance if you put in the 1/4 time I got, you get 252whp. If you put in the MPH you get around 275-283whp. There is too much of a difference for me to feel it is accurate for F/I cars.

[Greysave]

12-13psi and after 320 passes. I don't believe you. show me a time slip. I don't think you can run that with an intercooler. Possible if you was a good driver with internals. You would need at least 250 whp to do that imo. I have a speed and a sti....speed has fmic turbo back and a boost controller. It wouldnt have touched the sti.

[Larone]

I don't think 250whp is impossible at 13psi.

[jurgs01]

I don't believe you. show me a time slip. I don't think you can run that with an intercooler. Possible if you was a good driver with internals. You would need at least 250 whp to do that imo. I have a speed and a sti....speed has fmic turbo back and a boost controller. It wouldnt have touched the sti.

The guy works for mazda and abuses the shit out of his car. I don't think he is bullshitting.

[jurgs01]

I don't think 250whp is impossible at 13psi.

If I upped my boost to 13psi right now with the mods I had and got a good tune with my MPI I think I would be over 250 IMO.

[daedalus]

I don't believe you. show me a time slip. I don't think you can run that with an intercooler. Possible if you was a good driver with internals. You would need at least 250 whp to do that imo. I have a speed and a sti....speed has fmic turbo back and a boost controller. It wouldnt have touched the sti.


i do belive timeslipes are posted in the 1/4 mile thread.

[Mental Addiction]

Also just to add... Haven't you ever noticed that turbo cars seem to bend that mathamatical formula? For instance if you put in the 1/4 time I got, you get 252whp. If you put in the MPH you get around 275-283whp. There is too much of a difference for me to feel it is accurate for F/I cars.

This is because the calculators factor in that you hook out of the hole.The MPH tells the story.I have seen countless turbo cars that run 13-14's but trap crazy mph.If you punch in 13 or 14 and the weight it says something different.Punch in the MPH and their you have it.

[Mental Addiction]

i do belive timeslipes are posted in the 1/4 mile thread.

Times slip's are easy to come by.I have an 8.70 @171mph slip I can post and say it's a protege. A video is a tell all.

[mspeed101]

This is because the calculators factor in that you hook out of the hole.The MPH tells the story.I have seen countless turbo cars that run 13-14's but trap crazy mph.If you punch in 13 or 14 and the weight it says something different.Punch in the MPH and their you have it.damn so using the hp calculator and my best trap speed I was around 234whp (boom06)

[FSDET]

I don't believe you. show me a time slip. I don't think you can run that with an intercooler. Possible if you was a good driver with internals. You would need at least 250 whp to do that imo. I have a speed and a sti....speed has fmic turbo back and a boost controller. It wouldnt have touched the sti.

wow ATTACK OF THE NEWBS

[yesiownaskyline]

wow ATTACK OF THE NEWBS


HAHA, no shit man... word to the wise: I may still be young here, but i've read more than enough to know that blkzoomzoom knows his shit and then some.
Also,The power of MPI is a lot more than one would imagine when tuned in.

[mspeed101]

wow ATTACK OF THE NEWBS(lol)

[wicked]

HAHA, no shit man... word to the wise: I may still be young here, but i've read more than enough to know that blkzoomzoom knows his shit and then some.
Also,The power of MPI is a lot more than one would imagine when tuned in.
(deadhorse if he don't believe blkzoomzoom,thats his prob.most everyone here does,and some have seen.

[Larone]

If I upped my boost to 13psi right now with the mods I had and got a good tune with my MPI I think I would be over 250 IMO.


Precisely.

[sickspeed94]

hey mspeed101, you went 14.3 bone stock? or was that in a different car. that's what it says in your sig so just wondering.

[BlkZoomZoom]

This is because the calculators factor in that you hook out of the hole.The MPH tells the story.I have seen countless turbo cars that run 13-14's but trap crazy mph.If you punch in 13 or 14 and the weight it says something different.Punch in the MPH and their you have it.

Then ask Focus why he trapped 115mph and dyno'd at 296whp with the same set-up? Did he mysteriously gain over 50whp just because on the same setup? No. It's because turbo cars bend that mathmatical formula. The hp calculator says he should have had 345whp. Again, I dont really trust it for turbo cars.

Sorry for this ongoing t.j.

[sickspeed94]

(deadhorse if he don't believe blkzoomzoom,thats his prob.most everyone here does,and some have seen.


sorry for the double reply but i've always anted to use that dam smiley!

[FBI14]

hey mspeed101, you went 14.3 bone stock? or was that in a different car. that's what it says in your sig so just wondering.

Im pretty sure he wasnt stock, perrin exhaust and SRI with some boost(?)

[Mental Addiction]

Then ask Focus why he trapped 115mph and dyno'd at 296whp with the same set-up? Did he mysteriously gain over 50whp just because on the same setup? No. It's because turbo cars bend that mathmatical formula. The hp calculator says he should have had 345whp. Again, I dont really trust it for turbo cars.

Sorry for this ongoing t.j.

He trapped 115 because he also sprayed a shot of nitrous on that run.He trypically traps 108-109 on just boost.

[FSDET]

hey mspeed101, you went 14.3 bone stock? or was that in a different car. that's what it says in your sig so just wondering.
he had perrin exhuast,intake,fmic. and greddy boost controller set at around 8 something POS i mean psi

[sickspeed94]

he had perrin exhuast,intake,fmic. and greddy boost controller set at around 8 something POS i mean psi

that's all it takes for 14.3, then i guess i'm just a FMIC and boost controller away huh? add a front motor mount and use the falken azeni's i have in the garage and up boost to 9.5 or 10 psi, and 13's don't seem too far off of attainable... that just gave me a whole new insight on life... k (jacked) over

[mspeed101]

that's all it takes for 14.3, then i guess i'm just a FMIC and boost controller away huh? add a front motor mount and use the falken azeni's i have in the garage and up boost to 9.5 or 10 psi, and 13's don't seem too far off of attainable... that just gave me a whole new insight on life... k (jacked) overyep only mods were FMIC, intake, boost controller, exhaust, and front motor mount. The boost controller I had at the time I couldnt get it set for 10psi so it was only at 8psi. I just got a greddy type s boost controller and some other stuff so im confident that I will hit 13s now

[sickspeed94]

oh and that was on your old MSP and now you have a new msp (or motor or w/e) and it no longer has a FMIC? i see, what happened?

[mspeed101]

oh and that was on your old MSP and now you have a new msp (or motor or w/e) and it no longer has a FMIC? i see, what happened?lol no I still have the same msp I just decided to change some of my parts for better ones thats all. Im hoping this time around I can get it in the 13s. Let me know when you guys are all going to the track again (thumb)

[BlkZoomZoom]

Damn, Focus had to use nitrous to get a 12.9? lol.

[wicked]

and slicks I think.

[vindication]

well duh. I don't think anything close to a 13 or lower can be possible on street tires on a high hp fwd car

[goku4658]

i think i have 200whp (peep)

196 whp last time i dyno'd w/ the miniature wagner fmic (first)

[HiBoost TS]

well duh. I don't think anything close to a 13 or lower can be possible on street tires on a high hp fwd car

You need this..

To get this...http://www.msprotege.com/members/HiBoost%20TS/HiBoost%20P5%20in%20Action1.wmv

[wicked]

yeah,jaun didn't the P5 squeeze to ge the 12.5?

don't get me wrong,12.5 is a fast time,but not for a built,turbocharged,nitrous squeezing car.I run with hatch backs that are NA motorswaps,that have nothing but intake exhaust and gas,and run 12.2-12.8 all day long.

so far the baddest protege's on this forum don't run with the haltech,they run the MPI.

why am I even writing this,juan never responds to anyone accusing him of useing nitrous.

[wicked]

well duh. I don't think anything close to a 13 or lower can be possible on street tires on a high hp fwd car



not true,i have witnessed many 12 sec FWD on street tires at infineon raceway(sears point)

mostly honda's( I hate those damn things.)

[HiBoost TS]

yeah,jaun didn't the P5 squeeze to ge the 12.5?

don't get me wrong,12.5 is a fast time,but not for a built,turbocharged,nitrous squeezing car.I run with hatch backs that are NA motorswaps,that have nothing but intake exhaust and gas,and run 12.2-12.8 all day long.

so far the baddest protege's on this forum don't run with the haltech,they run the MPI.

why am I even writing this,juan never responds to anyone accusing him of useing nitrous.

We do not use nitrous in our car. We did this on the small IHI, stock head, stock transmission(no LSD) and still is very fast. We have stock pistons and those will not stand the pressure of 20 psi of boost plus nitrous. Just the turbo kit as it comes out of the box, larger injectors, forged rods and Haltech E6X.

[wicked]

not bad(you forgot to mention what you did to the pistons)

I just wish you would have said something sooner,a lot of members here have accussed you of nitrous


so why haven't you posted the dyno sheet?
what horsepower has come out of that thing.

and more importantly what kind of torque?

[HiBoost TS]

not bad(you forgot to mention what you did to the pistons)

I just wish you would have said something sooner,a lot of members here have accussed you of nitrous


so why haven't you posted the dyno sheet?
what horsepower has come out of that thing.

and more importantly what kind of torque?

The only mod to the pistons is the lower 8.5 to 1 CR. But they are stock Mazda pistons. No nitrous and I do not intend to use it. Now it is not needed with the huge ball bearing turbos capable of 30+ PSI of boost.
I had posted some time ago that there was no Nitrous used. There was a witness who is member of these forums. 1FASTMP5 who was racing his car also was there with us. In fact he did 13.9 just with our MSP FMIC KIT.

I haven't posted the Dyno sheet because I did not get one from the dyno that day. His printer was not working at the time and he just squezeed me in to do the run. He is very busy always and I haven't been able to get a copy from him. I guess I am going to have to drive all the way and try to get it.

We are going to get the BIG BOOST kit with the MSP tranny for the summer and will try to get to 400 WHP with our P5 and race it to see what it does.

This is what is going into the HiBoost P5..

[jurgs01]

We are going to get the BIG BOOST kit with the MSP tranny for the summer and will try to get to 400 WHP with our P5 and race it to see what it does.


Get torched off the line because the turbo is too big and spools too slow. I don't see the point of a 400 Whp FWD car. I think Focus will achieve the fastest protege in the end because he is smart enough to know that any turbo bigger than an RS spools too slow and is wasted on our cars and he is not scared to use Nitrous (this could be used to add power when your turbo isn't spooled up, but your tires still can take more force before spinning).

[Mental Addiction]

Our Thumper kit uses a GT3037, it spools alittle faster than most would think.I think ddogg77 will have the most power.

[HiBoost TS]

Get torched off the line because the turbo is too big and spools too slow. I don't see the point of a 400 Whp FWD car. I think Focus will achieve the fastest protege in the end because he is smart enough to know that any turbo bigger than an RS spools too slow and is wasted on our cars and he is not scared to use Nitrous (this could be used to add power when your turbo isn't spooled up, but your tires still can take more force before spinning).

It is not being scared about using nitrous. What I mean is that with the newer designed turbos you can boost real high pressures without going over the compressor efficiency like with the older style turbos. With the GT30 the spool time will be soon enough and the top end is going to be a lot better.

I have a Civic with a B18 that I was running with NOS and turbo at 22 psi with a Turbonetics stage III turbine and a TO4E super 57 trim. The car will not make any additional power after 22 psi, then we threw multifogger with 250 shot of nitrous. The car run very good and made 10.5 sec runs. Last year I replaced the turbo with a GT35R and the car now runs 30 psi of boost and runs 10.2 without the NOS. It is more reliable, more consistent and more powerful.

I think that the FS is very well capable of spooling the GT30R with the proper Turbine soon enough if the engine is well tuned.

I am not trying to be the fastest, I just want my car to be fast. Remember that the car itself is not fast. You need a fast car and a good driver.

[wicked]

not bad,but I was wondering why you run with factory pistons?why not use forged so you don't have to find that"OOP'S I think that was to much"point.

hypereutectic pistons are not made to work like that,when they do go,it will be real bad.

what are you doing with fuel,just larger injectors?
do you think the tranny will keep up,or go zoom,zoom,boom?

[HiBoost TS]

That is why our P5 is not our daily driver car. It is a project car and we need to find out the limit. The only way is to try.

What do you mean about fuel? We have the Haltech and 42 lbs injectors. I think I will go with 50 lb/hr injectors when we change the turbo. Better fuel pump if needed.

About the tranny, it is a matter of driving methods. I have to be soft when launching and when shifting. We will also find out how much it takes.

Juan

not bad,but I was wondering why you run with factory pistons?why not use forged so you don't have to find that"OOP'S I think that was to much"point.

hypereutectic pistons are not made to work like that,when they do go,it will be real bad.

what are you doing with fuel,just larger injectors?
do you think the tranny will keep up,or go zoom,zoom,boom?

[wicked]

That is why our P5 is not our daily driver car. It is a project car and we need to find out the limit. The only way is to try.

What do you mean about fuel? We have the Haltech and 42 lbs injectors. I think I will go with 50 lb/hr injectors when we change the turbo. Better fuel pump if needed.

About the tranny, it is a matter of driving methods. I have to be soft when launching and when shifting. We will also find out how much it takes.

Juan

you consider adding a LSD?

about the fuel,I forgot about the injectors you had.


the pistons you offer,how did you lower compretion?add more dish?
just wondering,because I was looking at the factory pistons,and i noticed they don't have much room for meterial to be removed.

[wicked]

you know I wanted to purchase that haltech from you really bad,but when I learned I couldn't run it without a ECU,I was kinda pissed.
I need to keep my speedometer,sorry.

[jurgs01]

you know I wanted to purchase that haltech from you really bad,but when I learned I couldn't run it without a ECU,I was kinda pissed.
I need to keep my speedometer,sorry.

Can't you run the E6X without the ECU? I know the F10 is just fuel, but why do you need the stock ECU with the E6X?

[wicked]

because you would have no speedometer,and I find that kind of important.

[mspeed101]

because you would have no speedometer,and I find that kind of important.who uses a speedometer nowadays (lol2)

[HiBoost TS]

you know I wanted to purchase that haltech from you really bad,but when I learned I couldn't run it without a ECU,I was kinda pissed.
I need to keep my speedometer,sorry.

I gave you a solution. Just get the stock ecu from any 2.0 protege (LX. ES, P5) which are very easy to get. That ECU will control the idle, speedometer, alternator and then the Haltech will do the rest. Yes. we add more dish, but you need to kow where to remove to not weaken the piston. Besides you need to to do a custom job for the circle clips of the floating pin, needed when using forged rods, plus cutting the wrist pin to fit between the circle clips.

[wicked]

that is a lot of work,just to use mazda pistons.good job.

I know I could have gotten another ECU used,in fact I did,but the price of a ECU,and a standalone+injectors was more than I felt I should spend.it would have been nearly the price of my engine.

besides I would rather run secondary injectors than bigger injectors.

[HiBoost TS]

Well, forged pistons are expensive, need to re bore the block to the right clearance, they are noisy and are not inteneded for street use as the blow by is larger that normal. This is why forged pistons do not come in the cars from the factory.




that is a lot of work,just to use mazda pistons.good job.

I know I could have gotten another ECU used,in fact I did,but the price of a ECU,and a standalone+injectors was more than I felt I should spend.it would have been nearly the price of my engine.

besides I would rather run secondary injectors than bigger injectors.

[FBI14]

Well, forged pistons are expensive, need to re bore the block to the right clearance, they are noisy and are not inteneded for street use as the blow by is larger that normal. This is why forged pistons do not come in the cars from the factory.

Ive heard of JE pistons being noisy but IIRC Oliver pistons are machined extremely well and run rather smooth, Just wondering with pistons you were refering too or just all of them in general ?

[BlkZoomZoom]

You can hear the olivers alittle when cold.

[CChris704]

http://www.areyougullible.com/lukeburrage/b3ta/threadjack.jpg

[Mental Addiction]

Well, forged pistons are expensive, need to re bore the block to the right clearance, they are noisy and are not inteneded for street use as the blow by is larger that normal. This is why forged pistons do not come in the cars from the factory.

This is far from the truth.
Their are a few different forgings.4032 and 2618.
A 4032 contains 10% more silicone sand than a 2618..Many many manufactors use forged pistons in thier cars. Forged pistons have a much higher Tensile stength yield and Ultimate strength than a cast piston.Cast pistons are not designed to expand.Manufactors use cast because cast is by far cheaper than forged.And when you are doing 500,000+ engines a year every dollar counts.
2618 Aluminum expands roughly 15% more than 4032,thus the 2618's inital piston-to-wall clearance has to be 15% larger.The difference is most noticable at startup when the engine is cold.When the engine is cold the 2618 piston can rock back and forth producing a slight noise known as piston slap.Once the engine warms up the slap will go away because the aluminum expands.Both types of forgings have roughly the same clearances once the engine is warmed up.

[Mental Addiction]

You can hear the olivers alittle when cold.

What is your piston to wall clearance?Olivers rods are not making the noise.

[wicked]

A lot of cars came with forged piston's,volvo for example.

it was much more of a cost thing for them to not use forged.

not to mention hyperuetectic piston's fit the discription of what companies needed.

[wicked]

http://www.areyougullible.com/lukeburrage/b3ta/threadjack.jpg

not thread jacked,just making use of a answered dead thread(thumb)

[BlkZoomZoom]

lol. I meant Cp's.

[Greysave]

Times slip's are easy to come by. I have an 8.70 @171mph slip I can post and say it's a protege. A video is a tell all.

That is my point. This doesnt seem even possible. I think the speed is great for what it is. Its great at handling. The car is surely lacking power. And then to say you did those type of times with a stock side mount. That just doesnt seem any kind of feasable. The side mount is hella small. 13lbs of boost he would be rebuilding for sure.

[Greysave]

wow ATTACK OF THE NEWBS

eat a dick.

[Greysave]

(lol)

you can suck my dick bitch. Thats why all you got is a speed.

[mspeed101]

you can suck my dick bitch. Thats why all you got is a speed.Get a life asshole! Ya I do have a speed whats your point!(nuts)

[Greysave]

[QUOTE=jurgs01]The guy works for mazda and abuses the shit out of his car. I don't think he is bullshitting.[/QUOTE

I am doubting everything blackzoomzoom says. I don't really care where the guy work i think he is lieing. I seen him post in another post he races evos and sti's all the time and has only lost to one. That is complete bull shit. Sti's with just a tbe run 12's....stock turbo sti's running 12.4. Come on now I am supposed to believe this shit when im running 12.6's in my stock turbo'd sti? Pull is no where near the same between the 2 cars. I am not even going to talk about evo's. They have 16 g's. Stock turbo with a good driver they can run high 11's. This man is saying he beats sti's and evo's all the time. I am calling that bull shit for sure. Fuck it he can race me for money if he's that confident. Ill drive to his town and give him a head start.

[jurgs01]

Welcome to the forums! (guess you've been here for a while and just don't post a lot) We love new and polite members that enjoy civilized discussion. I can see you are one of those people. I have not seen such insightful posts as "eat a dick" in a long time.

[Greysave]

Get a life asshole! Ya I do have a speed whats your point!(nuts)

Shut the hell bitch.

[jurgs01]

[QUOTE=jurgs01]The guy works for mazda and abuses the shit out of his car. I don't think he is bullshitting.[/QUOTE

I am doubting everything blackzoomzoom says. I don't really care where the guy work i think he is lieing. I seen him post in another post he races evos and sti's all the time and has only lost to one. That is complete bull shit. Sti's with just a tbe run 12's....stock turbo sti's running 12.4. Come on now I am supposed to believe this shit when im running 12.6's in my stock turbo'd sti? Pull is no where near the same between the 2 cars. I am not even going to talk about evo's. They have 16 g's. Stock turbo with a good driver they can run high 11's. This man is saying he beats sti's and evo's all the time. I am calling that bull shit for sure. Fuck it he can race me for money if he's that confident. Ill drive to his town and give him a head start.

Hmmm. Guess we can't compare to someone who owns an STI, EVO, Mazdaspeed......

I'll drive to your town and race you with my Ferrari, Lamborgini.... that I keep in the garage:rolleyes:

[Greysave]

Well, forged pistons are expensive, need to re bore the block to the right clearance, they are noisy and are not inteneded for street use as the blow by is larger that normal. This is why forged pistons do not come in the cars from the factory.

Are you talking about overbored pistons or the stock size pistons? Same size pistons should work fine. They can be noisey due to contracting and expanding which cast wont do so much. s If the pistons are designed for the car you should not have to rebore though. Is the msp block aluminum?

[BlkZoomZoom]

Shut the hell bitch.

I'll be at the track wednesday as always. Anytime you want to come up.

12.6's? thats it? Thats pretty pathetic for a 30k.

[Greysave]

Ill race your ferrari if you had one. especially from a stop...especially on the street. The msp isnt mine it used to be. I gave that to my wife miss_steel_msp.



[QUOTE=Greysave]

Hmmm. Guess we can't compare to someone who owns an STI, EVO, Mazdaspeed......

I'll drive to your town and race you with my Ferrari, Lamborgini.... that I keep in the garage:rolleyes:

[jurgs01]

Shut the hell bitch.

Lovely post. I can see the great personality and people skills that allowed you to get that nice corporate job (which you of course have in order to buy all the nice cars).

[Greysave]

I'll be at the track wednesday as always. Anytime you want to come up.

12.6's? thats it? Thats pretty pathetic for a 30k.
What other car is running 12's for 30k. but for ur info i got mine in the 20's bought it used. The only car I can think of running 12's for 30k is a svt. I still eat those up so what would you buy for 30k that will run 12.6? f550 ferarri's only run 12.1.

[BlkZoomZoom]

I paid 15.9k for my msp. I will have around 5.5k when I'm done. I ran 13.7s w/ 800 dollars in mods. 13.4 w/ 1400, 13.1's w/2k..... We will see in a couple of weeks what 5.5k can do.

[Greysave]

Lovely post. I can see the great personality and people skills that allowed you to get that nice corporate job (which you of course have in order to buy all the nice cars).


Actually i am the systems administrator for my city and county. but when i get home i can post pictures of my car my wifes car and my denali if you are in disbelief.... I can also post pictures of my new sr55 turbo if you are in disbelief of that. I'll try to find my movie of me smoking an svt cobra with work just for you dog.

[Greysave]

I paid 15.9k for my msp. I will have around 5.5k when I'm done. I ran 13.7s w/ 800 dollars in mods. 13.4 w/ 1400, 13.1's w/2k..... We will see in a couple of weeks what 5.5k can do.



Remember you ran all of those times stock. What did you spend 2 g's on to get you to 13.1? 5.5 gs is at best going to get you in 12's. After 13's you need big power to start turning out much better time. After my turbo upgrade I'll be at the very least mid 11's. What does yourr 60 foot times be to get you a 13.1? When I was running 12.9's I was running 1.7 60 foot times. Your story seems pathetic and I wish you would stop lieing. And once again if you are that confident in your whip we can definelty do the damn thing. You want to do it at atco speedway in south jersey? Thats like a 2 hour ride for you? Its about a 13 hour ride for me. But just to shut u up or me up we can do it. Ill bring a video camera so you can see.

[FBI14]

f550 ferarri's only run 12.1.

Ferrari F550 ?..... Dont think that one made the streets

[Mental Addiction]

Are you talking about overbored pistons or the stock size pistons? Same size pistons should work fine. They can be noisey due to contracting and expanding which cast wont do so much. s If the pistons are designed for the car you should not have to rebore though. Is the msp block aluminum?

Please do not give out bad info.It is not wise to put new pistons and rings in a stock bore that has milage on it.In order for the rings to seal properly to the bore you must have the right RA reading.

[Greysave]

[QUOTE=Greysave]

Hmmm. Guess we can't compare to someone who owns an STI, EVO, Mazdaspeed......

I'll drive to your town and race you with my Ferrari, Lamborgini.... that I keep in the garage:rolleyes:


I never said I own an evo genius. I wish I had one though in the place of my wife's speed. They have iron blocks and can hold 500-550 on the stock block.

[Greysave]

Ferrari F550 ?..... Dont think that one made the streets


your so stupid only speak on what you know idiot. heres a link to one.


http://home.swipnet.se/eurenius_design/maranello.htm

[FBI14]

your so stupid only speak on what you know idiot. heres a link to one.


http://home.swipnet.se/eurenius_design/maranello.htm


Yeahs its a 550 Maranello, not a F550.....You can just keep on speaking making yourself look really foolish

[Greysave]

Please do not give out bad info.It is not wise to put new pistons and rings in a stock bore that has milage on it.In order for the rings to seal properly to the bore you must have the right RA reading.



I am not trying to give out bad info....Maybe this is native to the speed. But you don't have to overbore to put pistons in everyblock....I know this for a fact because I am having it done without overboring....What would happen if you used stock msp rings with forged pistons? what is the quality of the stock rings?

[Greysave]

Yeahs its a 550 Maranello, not a F550.....You can just keep on speaking making yourself look really foolish


Ok and your point is what??????You knew what I was talking about....the whole point of the ferarri conversation is that its a 200k car that runs 12's stock.... someone telling me that its a bad value for 30k car that runs 12's doesn't know what there talking about.

[Greysave]

To be honest I wasn't even trying to insult anyone....I was just posting in response to blackzoomzoom statement about time....Then some one who joined the month before I did is going to call me a newbie...Point being I think blackzoomzoom is bsing. No disrespect to anyone period.

[poboxjosh]

I know about as much as u do about blkzoomzoom but from reading most of his posts I am willing to bet that his is not bsing. He seems to know an awful lot for someone who is full of shit. I have yet to see him answer a question and then someone else prove him wrong. Come June 4th he is going to dyno his car at our NEPOC meet. Then I'm pretty sure everyone will get the proof they need.

[LinuxRacr]

CLosed for for cleanup. :WTF: (pissed)