rr racing front mount inserts installed

[ND4MSP]

not sure how many are using these so I thought I'd give a quick impression. I installed the inserts and fired my speed up and let it sit for a while to warm. Jumped in the car and didn't notice much of a change in vibration. Just a light vibration which was barely noticalbe at idle. I didn't pick up any kind of interior rattle, and that drives me nuts so I was really happy about that. Took the car out for a quick spin and everything felt very tight and precise. Gave it a mini romp from a stop a didn't get that hopping/ skipping feeling that you would normally get. I am very happy with these inserts. I think I ordered them on a friday or saturday and had them before the next weekend. Two thumbs(yes)

[JCell]

pics?

[ND4MSP]

funny you should ask. I was gonna post some pics of the install for those that haven't done this yet, until I realized I lent my camera to my inlaws last week. I'll post some pics in a few days if this thread is still alive. sorry

[MSP #167]

where'd you get them from and how much??

[ND4MSP]

www.rr-racing.com (http://www.rr-racing.com) $40 shipped. 60$ shipped for front and rear. Good deal if you want to tackle the rear. I am more than happy with the front.

[TiGrayMsp716]

Awsome I was wondering about those...... I might get the set

[boomergt]

I also might have to get a set of these...

[JCell]

i need side mounts, anyone sell these?

[NeverSober]

NSN motorsports

[FlyinMSP]

not sure how many are using these so I thought I'd give a quick impression. I installed the inserts and fired my speed up and let it sit for a while to warm. Jumped in the car and didn't notice much of a change in vibration. Just a light vibration which was barely noticalbe at idle. I didn't pick up any kind of interior rattle, and that drives me nuts so I was really happy about that. Took the car out for a quick spin and everything felt very tight and precise. Gave it a mini romp from a stop a didn't get that hopping/ skipping feeling that you would normally get. I am very happy with these inserts. I think I ordered them on a friday or saturday and had them before the next weekend. Two thumbs(yes)

What car do you have? It seems that those inserts don't fit with the Mazdaspeed mounts...

[FBI14]

so there just inserts that just replace bushings?

was the install simple ?

[FBI14]

What car do you have? It seems that those inserts don't fit with the Mazdaspeed mounts...

from his previous threads it looks like he has a MSP

[FBI14]

i need side mounts, anyone sell these?

AWR has side mount Inserts

[ND4MSP]

I own a speed. I gotta fix my info area, sorry. Inserts fit perfect. I had to trim some extra rubbery casting off of one of the mating prongs on the stock engine mounts. But its so soft you could trim it with scissors. Not much of an obsticle though

[JCell]

^ r u talking about teh side monuts? which ones do u have?

[ND4MSP]

front engine mount. There are two inserts, one for each side of it.

[FlyinMSP]

Is it just the rubber that has to be trimmed?

Not long ago I had a brake job done by a "knowledgeable" shop and I asked the to fit those inserts in the same occasion. Well, they didn't b/c according to them there was no way it would possibly fit. They charged me a hour labor for that! :(

If I could only get that side bold myself! I guess you need an impact wrench for that..

[ND4MSP]

I'd consider myself a novice with wrenching on cars, so they were either on something or they might have been looking at the wrong mount. It could happen. The install was pretty easy. My impact wouldn't break that side bolt loose. Took my about 5 mins before I finally got it loose.

[Dimitrios]

Bump on this thread...

I pulled the AWR 88 duro front mount today to try out the RR Racing inserts into the stock mount.

The m'fin' thing would not line up with the bolt hole. I ended up putting the stock mount in w/o the inserts....I couldn't even get the AWR back in!!

My inclination is that the engine needs to be "rocked" a bit forward to get the bolt to fit, but I'm not sure why the mount won't fit with the inserts....

Anyone with suggestions? I'll give it another shot, maybe call/email Rafi at RR Racing for some advice...

[TiGrayMsp716]

Well I hope that I don't have a problem because mine just came in....

[FBI14]

Bump on this thread...

I pulled the AWR 88 duro front mount today to try out the RR Racing inserts into the stock mount.

The m'fin' thing would not line up with the bolt hole. I ended up putting the stock mount in w/o the inserts....I couldn't even get the AWR back in!!

My inclination is that the engine needs to be "rocked" a bit forward to get the bolt to fit, but I'm not sure why the mount won't fit with the inserts....

Anyone with suggestions? I'll give it another shot, maybe call/email Rafi at RR Racing for some advice...

a little confused, did you try installing the RR Inserts into the AWR motor mount or into the stock motor mount?

[jurgs01]

Bump on this thread...

I pulled the AWR 88 duro front mount today to try out the RR Racing inserts into the stock mount.

The m'fin' thing would not line up with the bolt hole. I ended up putting the stock mount in w/o the inserts....I couldn't even get the AWR back in!!

My inclination is that the engine needs to be "rocked" a bit forward to get the bolt to fit, but I'm not sure why the mount won't fit with the inserts....

Anyone with suggestions? I'll give it another shot, maybe call/email Rafi at RR Racing for some advice...

Put a jack on your transmission and move it until the mount fits in there.

[Dimitrios]

No, I pulled the AWR (77 duro - autotragic version) and put the OEM/stock unit with the RR inserts.

jurgs, I didn't think of that yesterday (I went in with the bigger hammer mentality). I'm going to do that either tonight or tomorrow morning.....thanks.

[FBI14]

why did you get the RR inserts, was there too much rattling with the AWR mount ? AWR makes a softer durometer bushing (70 durometer)

[Dimitrios]

I got the RR inserts from another member on here (locally) for next to nothing, so my "cost to entry" was very low. I figured I'd try them out before I bought the other bushings from Tony.

I also have a feeling that the design of the mount itself from Mazda vs. the fabricated one from Tony (which by the the way was just decimated on the surface from all the snow/salt this past winter) has quite a bit to do with the NVH of the mount; that said, I just wanted to see the difference.

Besides, every time I buy stuff from Tony, it always ends up costing me more (i.e. I buy more than I expected.....must....fight....temptation.....:D )

[FBI14]

I got the RR inserts from another member on here (locally) for next to nothing, so my "cost to entry" was very low. I figured I'd try them out before I bought the other bushings from Tony.

I also have a feeling that the design of the mount itself from Mazda vs. the fabricated one from Tony (which by the the way was just decimated on the surface from all the snow/salt this past winter) has quite a bit to do with the NVH of the mount; that said, I just wanted to see the difference.

Besides, every time I buy stuff from Tony, it always ends up costing me more (i.e. I buy more than I expected.....must....fight....temptation.....:D )

sounds like a good plan, hope everything works out, let us know what it feels like when/if you get it installed compared to the AWR

[Dimitrios]

Update: I got the inserts in. I just dropped the center support "beam", inserted the bolt then rotated the mount down to slide the two studs into the holes in the support beam.

I think the other reason I couldn't get enough "slack" in the engine to fit was because I had just installed the AWR driver's side (tranny) mounts just a day earlier.

Initial feel is quite a bit less engine movement, though vibration isn't too bad. and I don't get that grinding feeling from the AWR mount I had....maybe it's just my setup....we'll see as they break in.

[FBI14]

Updates? Inserts still feel good ?

[ND4MSP]

Still enjoying mine. I've almost forgot I have em already. Just nice smoother launches.

[AODfan]

(bump) for up to date impressions...

[ND4MSP]

still all good:)

[03.5MSP]

I was going to hold off on the mounts for a while, but I guess it's time to get that taken care of.

[biochembruin]

can someone please elaborate on how to install the inserts? specifically, do you have to remove the mount from the engine, or can you do it with the mount still on the car, and just slide the inserts in? it seems from descriptions that you can do that with the front at least, but there's no mention of the rear mount. thanks

[SpeedBeaver]

How long does it take to install these? Plus, the installation instructions on rr's site are not that detailled...

[ChopstickHero]

looking at upgrading my mounts soon too.


subscribing.

[Dimitrios]

looking at upgrading my mounts soon too.


subscribing.

I had another member PM me about the front inserts. Here's what I replied:

****************************************

Hey there; sorry for the delay (been a bit busy).

Well, I'll go off my experience here.

As far as the front mount inserts go, you will need to remove the stock front mount (obviously). That said, once you put the inserts in, I found it difficult to line the thru. bolt again.

OK, so as far as tools, I can't remember the socket/wrench sizes exactly, so I'm going off memory:
- 14mm socket
- 17mm socket
- Respective 3/8" or 1/2" socket wrench
- 1/2" breaker bar (or extension pipe for the socket wrench to get some leverage).

You can take the mount out w/o lifting the car, but in order to get back (again, my experience) I'd suggest putting the car on jackstands as it makes it far easier.

OK (after opening hood):

1) If you have the stock intake, remove the "air intake" portion that rests over the radiator.

2) Look straight down and you will see the mount. There is a thru. bolt and a nut on the right side (as you look down). It's a little tight, but you should be able to get a breaker bar down there with a 14mm (?) socket and break the nut loose. Untighten by hand and pull the square head bolt out from the left.

3) Get under the car and find the center support. It runs front to back from the radiator support to about the middle of the subframe. It's the part that has that little round half ball on it.

4) You should see two nuts immediately after the radiator but before the "ball". Those are for the mount. Go ahead and break those open and remove the nuts.

5) You should be able able to pull the mount out at this point.

Installation:

1) The inserts are identical, so you just slip them into the "openings" on the stock mount. Use some WD40 if they feel like they won't go any further.

Notice how "stiff" it is now? that was the problem I had; I couldn't get the mount to flex enough to get the through bolt back in.

What I did:

2) Drop the center support. There are four bolts (IIRC) and you should need the 17 mm sockets for that. There are two immediately near the radiator and two more further underneath.

Be careful breaking those nuts open; it c ould take a lot of force and be sure you have the car supported properly.

3) You don't need to remove the nuts entirely. Essentially, you need to drop it enough to slip the mount+inserts into its original position and get the through bolt to run through it.

Hard to describe, but essentially, you need enough clearance to be able to get the mount to install.

4) Run the through bolt (the first item you loosened and removed) back through the mount. Hand tighten the nut.

5) I had to rotate the mount clockwise to get it to slip into the two holes on the center support.

Hand tighten the nuts.

6) Start tightening the other nuts.

Use common sense and tighten the support entirely to the bottom FIRST and then tighten the mount.

IIRC, the torque for the bottom was like 54 to 69 ft/lbs. The mount bolts were like 49 ft/lbs

I hope this helps. Once you get going on it, hopefully it'll make more sense. I should have taken photos....

Good Luck,
D

**************************

Hope this somewhat helps all. I have to get the rears installed yet.

[Hughes412]

Hey Dimitrios hows it going? The header is still great. Thanks for the little walk through. I'm gona be getting the front in the next few weeks and now I don't have to get yelled at for posting a question with out searching (direct) !

[FlyinMSP]

Wouldn't jacking up the engine a bit do the same thing as dropping the center support?

[SpeedBeaver]

Ok, just to be sure, wich ones are they between the 4 shown?
http://www.msprotege.com/members/SpeedBeaver/engine%20mounts.JPG

[Mark94]

I helped install these on a members ride last week and mine last night.

It's very easy and no need to remove the intake or the center engine support.

It can all be done from under the car.

First jack up the car and place it on jack stands.

Then go under the car and remove the 3 10mm nuts that hold on the drivers side splash gaurd. The splash gaurd will not completely come off but you will be albe to bend it to the side to remove the mount.

Using a 17mm socket and breaker bar remove the two nuts that that hold the entire mount to the engine brace. Next remove the 17mm nut that actually goes through the entire engine mount with the breaker bar also.

Next take your jack and support the engine right underneath the tranny. This will assist in getting the bolt back through when you are replacing the mount. Now you can slide the bolt right out from the mount and with the splash guard bent to the side you can remove the mount from under the car. Take the mount out and then cut that long tab of plastic on the stock mount off to allow the RR racing mounts to slide in.

With the RR mounts slid in reinstall the entire mount back in the car from underneath. Since the tranny is supported you should have no problem lining up the bolt with the mount. It should slide right in but make sure it is in fully. The bolt has to go on a certain way (the bolt head is square and must sit against a piece of metal to allow it not to spin when you tighten it down. You will know if it is not in correctly because barely any thread will be sticking through on the bolt and will not allow the nut to go on very far.

Tighten the 17mm mount nut well and then the two 17mm nuts on the bottom that hold the mount on the engine support brace and then reinstall the 3 10mm bolts on the bottom that hold the splash guard in place.

Lower your car and you're done.

Mark

[Dimitrios]

Wouldn't jacking up the engine a bit do the same thing as dropping the center support?

Sure; but I'm not sure how much you can jack up the motor. I felt I needed about 2"+ of clearance to do so. Besides, i was already underneath changing my oil, tranny fluid, and installing some GT Spec braces while doing this...

[Dimitrios]

Ok, just to be sure, wich ones are they between the 4 shown?


The RR Racing inserts are for 5 and 6.

AWR makes them for 3 and 4.

[biochembruin]

has anyone installed the rear motor mount insert?

[Mark94]

This is what you will be taking out to install the RR Racing mounts in.

It is in red.

Mark

[Dimitrios]

I was going to add that mine may have been difficult because I had Tony's "side" insersts installed so I may not have had enough flexibility.

Then again, I didn't try jacking up the motor (though I didn't feel the need to remove the splash guards).

[biochembruin]

The RR Racing inserts are for 5 and 6.

AWR makes them for 3 and 4.

are you sure? I thought RR racing made inserts for front and rear, which should be mounts 4 and 5 in the diagram.

[Dimitrios]

are you sure? I thought RR racing made inserts for front and rear, which should be mounts 4 and 5 in the diagram.

Correct; sorry about that

RR Racing: 4 and 5
AWR: 3 and 6

[03.5MSP]

I got my RR front and rear inserts installed last weekend, and I love them . The car feels great, feels better off the line, quicker response between grears, and of course the wheel hop is gone. As far as the vibration goes it is very minimal, a very minor vibration increase, but better than I expected.

[Dimitrios]

I got my RR front and rear inserts installed last weekend, and I love them . The car feels great, feels better off the line, quicker response between grears, and of course the wheel hop is gone. As far as the vibration goes it is very minimal, a very minor vibration increase, but better than I expected.

I'm assuming you had to remove the rear mount entirely?

[biochembruin]

Correct; sorry about that

RR Racing: 4 and 5
AWR: 3 and 6

no problem.

just to clarify for others, awr makes inserts for mounts 3 and 6, and makes full mounts for mounts 4 and 5 (going by the above diagram). RR racing makes inserts for mounts 4 and 5.

[03.5MSP]

I'm assuming you had to remove the rear mount entirely?

yeah

[biochembruin]

yeah

that sucks, there's no way to do it without taking out the mount?

[Dimitrios]

that sucks, there's no way to do it without taking out the mount?

That's what I was thinking; seeing that you don't need to technically replace the mount (as if you were going the AWR route).

[biochembruin]

That's what I was thinking; seeing that you don't need to technically replace the mount (as if you were going the AWR route).

yeah, the only reason i would use the RR Racing insert would be if i could get away from having to remove the rear mount. otherwise i would just use the awr one, even if it is a little stiffer.

[SpeedBeaver]

Ok, from what I've read here, I'd say that 90% of the people here only installed the front inserts. Is the rear motor mount that of a pain to replace?

[thejoker0409]

wow im really interseted in this think ill get the front and the rear combo 55 shipped not that bad

[SpeedBeaver]

I've contacted Rafi @ RR-Racing. His prices are realy good, especialy for group buys. I'm doing one with a bunch of friends of mine in Montreal.

[SpeedBeaver]

Thanks for the pic Rafi!

http://www.msprotege.com/members/SpeedBeaver/mounts.JPG

[thejoker0409]

How much?

[SpeedBeaver]

How much?

You mean the group buy prices?

For an order of 6 items or more he made us that deal (each):
$40 shipped for front & rear inserts kit
$25 shipped for front inserts only

My order: 6 front kits and 3 front only so a that makes a little $315 of inserts! Gotta love group buys! (rockon)

[ND4MSP]

40 bucks is about 5 more than I paid for my front. I'd jump on this if I didn't have one already and save the rear for a rainy day or sell it.

[SpeedBeaver]

Well, my group buy was for a french forum in Quebec. The buy is over now.
If one of you guys want to start a group buy, the guys from RR will surely do the same prices. After all, they are advertising on this forum.

[Hughes412]

Ok, from what I've read here, I'd say that 90% of the people here only installed the front inserts. Is the rear motor mount that of a pain to replace?


No one answered this guys question, and I would like to know also.

[SpeedBeaver]

No one answered this guys question, and I would like to know also.

Well, I'm gonna answer it myself when I'll receive my inserts..

[Dimitrios]

Guys, there are tons of threads on the rear mount, OEM or AWR or maybe otherwise (inserts).

Generally, it's a pain in the ass if you're extremely impatient and/or lack some proper tools to get it done. Dropping the subframe and/or having the tranny out (for example, if you were installing a new clutch or installing a new front swaybar) helps quite a bit access-wise.

[Larone]

Would you expect more vibration with the front and rear rr-racing inserts vs. just the front?

[Mark94]

Would you expect more vibration with the front and rear rr-racing inserts vs. just the front?

Yes, there will be more vibration with both installed.

Mark

[ChopstickHero]

some wheel hop this morning made me mad. I just ordered my RR-Racing front mount inserts. :)