Innovate Motorsports XD-1 Installed

[JDM Sam]

I finally got the Innovate Motorsports XD-1 Wideband calibrated and working correctly after connecting it to the data logging and programming software. Did some pulls on the road and found out when we go off the charts rich we hit 9.8 to 1 AFR. HOLY CRAP! Super pig rich in the 3000 rpm range where everyone gets hesistation. Unichip is def coming next along with my dealer software to custom map the piggyback.

"I'M RICH BITCH!" - Linux Racr

[Dexter]

Hahaha Im rich beeotch!

[LinuxRacr]

(eyeballs) Uhm, "Iym reyotch Byaaaaaatch!!!" NICE! Now you can see your richness!

[JDM Sam]

Yea, this gauge is great. All 500 initial gauges have been sold out already by Innovate.
Reads 7 to 20 AFR, Programmable LED colors, Logging software, hi/ low peak readings, programmable to read other types of fuel, and other features i'm still trying out.

[mspdfreak]

How much?

[JDM Sam]

It goes for $399 from Innovate.

[Dexter]

How much?
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/xd1.php

[JDM Sam]

Wow hit a low of 9.3 at one point now. cylinder wash anyone?

[gimpo2]

they already sold them all? how long until they get more?

[JDM Sam]

Currently we have all of em in stock cept for the white face/alum bezel.
1 each, get em while they last.

[FBI14]

whats a good AFR for stock boost and whats a good AFR for 10 PSI or does it not make a difference

[azian6er]

whats a good AFR for stock boost and whats a good AFR for 10 PSI or does it not make a difference


with a turbocharged vehicle about as lean as you want to go is 12.0 The higher the boost level however the richer you want to make it... ie 15 psi 11.8-12.0 afrs etc

For a NA car i believe 13.2 is best afr for power.

-B

[1338]

does the kit one the crossover have everything included loke o2 sencer?

[FBI14]

with a turbocharged vehicle about as lean as you want to go is 12.0 The higher the boost level however the richer you want to make it... ie 15 psi 11.8-12.0 afrs etc

For a NA car i believe 13.2 is best afr for power.

-B

Im a noob when it comes to this stuff, a higher AFR is a leaner ration meaning it has less gas in the mixture?

[gimpo2]

Im a noob when it comes to this stuff, a higher AFR is a leaner ration meaning it has less gas in the mixture?

yes

[Dexter]

yea, AIR to FUEL ratio.

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[FBI14]

"trash in the trash can...hmmm makes sense"

thanks guys

[Zivman]

I finally got the Innovate Motorsports XD-1 Wideband calibrated and working correctly after connecting it to the data logging and programming software. Did some pulls on the road and found out when we go off the charts rich we hit 9.8 to 1 AFR. HOLY CRAP! Super pig rich in the 3000 rpm range where everyone gets hesistation. Unichip is def coming next along with my dealer software to custom map the piggyback.

"I'M RICH BITCH!" - Linux Racr


Does this unit allow for dataloging with RPMs?

[LinuxRacr]

I believe it does from the software I saw.

[Zivman]

I believe it does from the software I saw.

How do you get the info 'out' of the unit? Laptop?

[LinuxRacr]

Yeah, I had my laptop hooked up to JDM Sam's Innovative yesterday.

[gimpo2]

How do you get the info 'out' of the unit? Laptop?

they need to start making blue tooth ecus and gauges...

[Zivman]

Yeah, I had my laptop hooked up to JDM Sam's Innovative yesterday.

So this definitely datalogs with RPMs?

is the innovate unit the one to get over the Zeitronix?

[JDM Sam]

Yes, its a full stand alone gauge kit with Bosch 5 wire sensor. It is also available with just the gauge only. Reads lambda and afr for various fuels: propane, gasoline, methanol, custom, etc.

Datalogs with RPM ONLY if you buy the LMA-3 Aux box. It has 2 analog outputs for hooking up to a EMS system and on some EMS that have self-tune this is how you hook it up. It comes with logworks logging software. Also, if you have it hooked up to an EMS system with the analog outputs, you can datalog via that as well.

If you want to preview the software it's here for download.
http://www.msprotege.com/members/JDM%20Sam/LogWorks.exe

LMA3 Datalogger hardware needed.
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/lma3.php

In my opinion this is the WB to get b/c it displays from 7 to 20 AFR and is highly accurate. It's also from a company that specializes in EFI tuning. I talked to one of the tech guys and they are knowledgeable about tuning. They also have a good tech forum to post questions you may have. Their LM-1 won a SEMA award for most innovative new product in 03. The XD-1 uses the same wide band controller as the LM-1 just with a gauge and not the LM-1 box. It also shows on warmup a heat up temp cycle for the sensor and it has calibration tests you can perform periodically to ensure it's accurate. I buy their products b/c they know their shit about tuning and EFI.

[JDM Sam]

Application Note: You CAN be too Rich

By Klaus Allmendinger, VP of Engineering, Innovate Motorsports

Many people with turbochargers believe that they need to run at very rich mixtures. The theory is that the excess fuel cools the intake charge and therefore reduces the probability of knock. It does work in reducing knock, but not because of charge cooling. The following little article shows why.

First let’s look at the science. Specific heat is the amount of energy required to raise 1 kg of material by one degree K (Kelvin, same as Celsius but with 0 point at absolute zero). Different materials have different specific heats. The energy is measured in kJ or kilojoules:

Air ~ 1 kJ/( kg * deg K)
Gasoline 2.02 kJ/( kg * deg K)
Water 4.18 kJ/( kg * deg K)
Ethanol 2.43 kJ/( kg * deg K)
Methanol 2.51 kJ/( kg * deg K)

Fuel and other liquids also have what's called latent heat. This is the heat energy required to vaporize 1 kg of the liquid. The fuel in an internal combustion engine has to be vaporized and mixed thoroughly with the incoming air to produce power. Liquid gasoline does not burn. The energy to vaporize the fuel comes partially from the incoming air, cooling it. The latent heat energy required is actually much larger than the specific heat. That the energy comes from the incoming air can be easily seen on older carbureted cars, where frost can actually form on the intake manifold from the cooling of the charge.

The latent heat values of different liquids are shown here:

Gasoline 350 kJ/kg
Water 2256 kJ/kg
Ethanol 904 kJ/kg
Methanol 1109 kJ/kg

Most engines produce maximum power (with optimized ignition timing) at an air-fuel-ratio between 12 and 13. Let's assume the optimum is in the middle at 12.5. This means that for every kg of air, 0.08 kg of fuel is mixed in and vaporized. The vaporization of the fuel extracts 28 kJ of energy from the air charge. If the mixture has an air-fuel-ratio of 11 instead, the vaporization extracts 31.8 kJ instead. A difference of 3.8 kJ. Because air has a specific heat of about 1 kJ/kg*deg K, the air charge is only 3.8 C (or K) degrees cooler for the rich mixture compared to the optimum power mixture. This small difference has very little effect on knock or power output.

If instead of the richer mixture about 10% (by mass) of water would be injected in the intake charge (0.008 kg Water/kg air), the high latent heat of the water would cool the charge by 18 degrees, about 4 times the cooling effect of the richer mixture. The added fuel for the rich mixture can't burn because there is just not enough oxygen available. So it does not matter if fuel or water is added.

So where does the knock suppression of richer mixtures come from?

If the mixture gets ignited by the spark, a flame front spreads out from the spark plug. This burning mixture increases the pressure and temperature in the cylinder. At some time in the process the pressures and temperatures peak. The speed of the flame front is dependent on mixture density and AFR. A richer or leaner AFR than about 12-13 AFR burns slower. A denser mixture burns faster.

So with a turbo under boost the mixture density raises and results in a faster burning mixture. The closer the peak pressure is to TDC, the higher that peak pressure is, resulting in a high knock probability. Also there is less leverage on the crankshaft for the pressure to produce torque, and, therefore, less power.

Richening up the mixture results in a slower burn, moving the pressure peak later where there is more leverage, hence more torque. Also the pressure peak is lower at a later crank angle and the knock probability is reduced. The same effect can be achieved with an optimum power mixture and more ignition retard.

Optimum mix with “later” ignition can produce more power because more energy is released from the combustion of gasoline. Here’s why: When hydrocarbons like gasoline combust, the burn process actually happens in multiple stages. First the gasoline molecules are broken up into hydrogen and carbon. The hydrogen combines with oxygen from the air to form H2O (water) and the carbon molecules form CO. This process happens very fast at the front edge of the flame front. The second stage converts CO to CO2. This process is relatively slow and requires water molecules (from the first stage) for completion. If there is no more oxygen available (most of it consumed in the first stage), the second stage can't happen. But about 2/3 of the energy released from the burning of the carbon is released in the second stage. Therefore a richer mixture releases less energy, lowering peak pressures and temperatures, and produces less power. A secondary side effect is of course also a lowering of knock probability. It's like closing the throttle a little. A typical engine does not knock when running on part throttle because less energy and therefore lower pressures and temperatures are in the cylinder.

This is why running overly-rich mixtures can not only increase fuel consumption, but also cost power.

[JDM Sam]

Oh if you want bluetooth...only if you get the LM1 though

Bradatech BlueSerial Adapter (http://24.157.15.35/bradatech_corp/bluetooth/blueserial_lm1.asp)
BRADATECH Bluetooth serial port adapter makes it easy to turn your Innovate Motorsports LM-1 into a Bluetooth device. The adapter enables wireless communication with other Bluetooth-enabled devices like personal computers and PDAs, allowing you to use LogWorks or our new Bradatech Pocket Lambda software wirelessly with your LM-1.

[low_psi]

Sam- You're going to be a Unichip dealer/tuner? :)

[chwood]

Oh if you want bluetooth...only if you get the LM1 though

Bradatech BlueSerial Adapter (http://24.157.15.35/bradatech_corp/bluetooth/blueserial_lm1.asp)
BRADATECH Bluetooth serial port adapter makes it easy to turn your Innovate Motorsports LM-1 into a Bluetooth device. The adapter enables wireless communication with other Bluetooth-enabled devices like personal computers and PDAs, allowing you to use LogWorks or our new Bradatech Pocket Lambda software wirelessly with your LM-1.

nice stuff on your site!

damnit, how come all the great vendors on here are in TX, CA, NJ or such.
sigh

[JDM Sam]

Sam- You're going to be a Unichip dealer/tuner? :)
yup

[Zivman]

yup

Two things:
1.) does one need the LM 3 to datalog using the stand alone kit? - I am assuming so.
2.) is unichip one of the ems that would allow dataloging with the innovate wideband?

[low_psi]

yup

I guess I'll be having you do some tuning this summer (eekdance)

[gimpo2]

this gauge is mine!!!

[JDM Sam]

Two things:
1.) does one need the LM 3 to datalog using the stand alone kit? - I am assuming so.
2.) is unichip one of the ems that would allow dataloging with the innovate wideband?
1. yes
2. no

[JDM Sam]

I guess I'll be having you do some tuning this summer (eekdance)
For sure. I'll be getting some new maps made as well for higher boost. Let me know when you plan on getting it b/c we'll work out something.

Installed Chkmgt58's XD-1 today and trying out my new map settings for the MPI. It's one bad ass gauge. Oh yea it also comes with an extra white gauge face so if you want to custom make a faceplate you can.

[JDM Sam]

this gauge is mine!!!
Yup, another one gone. Get em while they're hot!

[low_psi]

For sure. I'll be getting some new maps made as well for higher boost. Let me know when you plan on getting it b/c we'll work out something.

Cool. I know HPFreaks is going to be creating 10psi maps for intake/exhaust and fmic soon so I was planning on just buying that and letting it be, but I might aswell buy from you and get a precise tune. 10psi is all the higher I want to go. Do you carry PLX WBo2's? The Innovative WBo2 is nice, but I'd rather have a small display to monitor A/F constantly like PLX offers.

[JDM Sam]

Sorry, I don't carry the PLX line. I carry the HKS afr/knock amp display though.

[Larone]

Can someone explain the differences between this and AEM'sGauge-Type Wideband UEGO Controller? Is one "better" than the other?

[dirtysouth_msp]

subscribing...

[JDM Sam]

This one is more accurate down to 7 to 20 AFR. It utilizes a 5 wire heated 02 Bosch sensor. The gauge itself is programmable to read other things if you have the LMA3.

[31R]

I dont know much about this stuff, but with this guage will i be able to tune my A/F mixture or is this just for very accurate readings. Thanks

[JDM Sam]

You will need this as a tool to read your AFR readings so you can make the appropriate adjustment to your fuel map. Without a wideband you will be just blindly tuning.

[gimpo2]

pics?

[JDM Sam]

Here's a night time pic. Gimpo - yours is here.

[tekkie]

damn I like this one more than the AEM :(

[Swerny]

Tekkie, sell me your AEM then!

[tekkie]

ok no prob, you buy me this one and we will swap :p

[gimpo2]

ok, i FINALLY got this thing installed after having it sit in a corner of my apartment for 3-4 months, Sam installed it and cleaned up some wiring under my dash. its pretty damn cool, laser light show a plenty for me now. :)

[JDM Sam]

Here's a video display of the gauge after programming the LED colors to what I wanted.

Right click save as and open with quicktime.

[LinuxRacr]

If I ever need a new gauge, this be it!!