MAP-ECU - EMS that replaces MAF sensor ??

[CasopoliS]

Thanks to MontrealMSP for finding this site. After speaking with him, I actually found another thread about this unit from 2003, and few other websites with information on it.
The links are below. What do you guys think about it. I have DSM's AFC, but maybe another vendor might want to try this on the MSP and make it available. Who knows. Maybe it sucks. I have no idea. Enjoy lookin'

http://www.mapecu.com/merchant/index.shtml

http://www.performancemotorresearch.co.nz/index.html

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/viewproduct~~~Powerhouse_Racing~~Engine_Mgmt_Syste ms_-_PB~.html

http://www.powerhouseracing.com/

http://www.mapecu.com/merchant/images/pages/mapecupage/header.jpg

[montreal msp]

We need to find out if our MAF is "a Flap, Hot-Wire and the tricky Karmen Vortex types"....If so, all is well....

The guy at mapecu mentioned this is an easy install (throttle wire, hot wire and a couple others)

For reference, check pg. 9 of the July 05 TURBO magazine....

This unit is expensive, but i spoke with the designer(at mapecu), and its produced for cars like ours which were not originally designed for turbos....it's actually a product which has been on the market for 3 years..

He mentioned that this unit would still leave the MAF wires connected (no CEL), but bypass it with the MAP system....ecu won't know MAF is not hooked up...

Nonetheless, this may be a start somewhere for our community....

[msp35]

Which is better? MAF or MAP? and Why?

[flat_black]

We (you, and all the rest of the 3rd Gen Protege's) have hotwire MAFs. =) Just so you know.

[vindication]

for $630, why not just go with something proven like the MPI?


I wouldn' mind hearing more info on this as well though

[daedalus]

intresting. What I found more intresting was in the latest Micheif Dynasty video was an interview with Peter Farrel about the Electromotive EMS standalone and the amazing things they were able to do with it in their fully built IS300. They are able to run the car in unison with the stock map for faily drivability, retain traction controls, and a/c functions, fans, etc while still having standalone capabilities. They had "hacked" the lexus system, and the Nissan 350Z system and were expanding facilities to hack other tuner cars such as the MAZDA RX8! Yea, he actually said that. If he can crack that ecu, he can crack the Mazdaspeeds, and I would love to see what could be done.

[CasopoliS]

If it keeps the MAF wires in tact, doesn't it still use the MAF signal?
I agree, this is pretty much an MPI. The MPI gets sales because it is proven to work on our cars. If companies like MAP-ECU did any sort of marketing or business outreach maybe they could get tuners to test these out on various cars to proove its funcitonality and increase sales. I don't see many of these out there, but it seems like it should work.

speaking of IS300's, there is one with this EMS installed, I saw it somewhere online today. I was very close to buying an is300, but it just had a lot more miles than the MSP and was older. Couldn't bring myself to spend that much $ on something that old....

[Striker187]

Which is better? MAF or MAP? and Why?

i think mafs read more accurately than maps. but the nice thing about a map is that it takes its readings from the manifold so you can use a bov without having to recirculate without any problems.

[peepsalot]

I wonder if switching to map would solve the crappy idling problems that it seems 50% of proteges have.

[DSMConvert]

the debate between which is better has been going on for the better part of a decade and its not limited to imports domestics argue about it too....both have their benefits and draw backs, and to be honest both can produce the same results if tuned properly. I've had experience with both and I prefer map. I"ve actually toyed around with the idea of making our units read in map as opposed to the maf....but when i weight the cost against the gains there really isnt any besides it will take care of problems with boost leaks and allow you to completely vent to atmosphere. As many of you noticed our afcs currently use a map sensor to calculate position on the boost curve. THe one thing I do like about maf though is that it gives you karmin counts/cfm which is fairly useful if you have no clue what the flow rating of your system is....will also allow you to see a numerical difference between turbo setups....helps when tuning 2 different turbo cars to have the same final a/f ratios...

[wicked]

DSM,I compleatly agree,I was thinking about changing mine,but that thought didn't stay in my head for long.

BTW,we have a hot wire MAF,but technicaly it's a hot film MAF.works almost the same,but without such an extreme burnoff,and longer lasting

[flat_black]

I still need to run a map; ITB's are basically just a bigger throttle body if you have to run them through a plenum in order to keep the MAF.

[wicked]

yeah,your the exeption for the proteges,you should be running a MAP.

[CasopoliS]

yeah,your the exeption for the proteges,you should be running a MAP.

Your sig is big...... ya dig?

[wicked]

http://images.oldglory.com/product/017886ICDEc.jpgyou mean this!




just playin.