I Finnally Did It

[TuRbOtEcTicS]

I traded in my 04 mazda3i auto for a spankin brand new 2005 SRT-4 5 spd. This car is frigggen fast! I love this car! Big performance diffrence from the mazda. It came with the 6 disk cd changer, power windows and power locks, viper seats and a kicker sound system. Just thought id share. Thanks for all the help guys!

[THEGOLDPRO]

SWEET!!!! pics now do it.

[TuRbOtEcTicS]

I dont have my camera right now so ill post up pics tommarrow. BTW i have the stock springs and my intake resonator from my mazda for sell.

[JCell]

it may have power windows, but only half of the car has it.... lol

srt-4 r fast, enjoy it and let me drive it!!!!!!!

[goldwing2000]

Yep... it's fast. Just be careful in the corners.

[mazpro]

congrats, great buy. let's see some pics.

[Aricjm15]

the viper seats are different, very different shape and they say viper, there is also a $2000 or so price difference, although if you want "true" viper seats they will bolt in with no problems :)
<- neon nut

[THEGOLDPRO]

pics or die

[goldwing2000]

You people don't know what an SRT-4 looks like? (scratch)

[THEGOLDPRO]

we dont know what HIS srt-4 looks like.

[122 Vega]

Yep... it's fast. Just be careful in the corners.

Here we go again, you must not autocross. The SRT4 handles fine, and it will - for a fact - outhandle the Mazda 3. My brother has the 3 with Eibachs and some big swaybars and my SRT-4 kicked the crap out of it. I drove both and the SRT had a significant advantage.

The new ACR SRT-4 will likely kill the MSP in all handling tests. The SCCA is considering moving it up to C Stock from the now considered D stock where the SRT-4 routinely runs with or ahead of the MSP. The 3 is in G orH Stock I believe.

I thought it was only the MSP people who lived in this fantasy world.

Britt

p.s. Congrats on your purchase. Have fun letting all that torque pull your manual rear windows though those corners. Remember, fast track times come from fast exit speeds... For that you need torque.

[REMillers]

What is your build size like? I didn't find the Viper seats very confortable least they wouldn't be during trips.

They surely do hold you in nicely, but my shoulders felts squeezed.

Enjoy the new purchases.

[IllBinfrontofya]

I don't know about the 05's but i test drove an 04 SRT-4, and I'll say this much, the mazda 3 out-handels it anyday. The SRT-4's suspension felt too . . . bouncy going in and out of corners it felt like i want bouncing around. I like the feel of the 3's grip in corners. And, honestly . . . with an LSD and the hiboost kit . . . A mazda 3 will beat the snot out of the SRT-4. How much are the 05's gonig for? I'm guessin they START at 21k prob 22k. So, after juans' kit(4200), put to our 18k, that's 22200. So, you're kinda trading in the looks of the mazda for the warranty of the dodge. Fair trade if you ask me.
I mean, I'll be driving around a car that just looks sexier then a MOFO, but I'll have no warranty on my ride seeing as i boosted it. Now, you on the other hand can feel free to push the limits and hurt whatever parts you want(Just be sure to remember that excessive wear and tear will not be coverd . . ie if you blow a rod or something,a nd they notice that the pistons have been pushed excessivly. . . ) but you'll be driving around a picachoo lookalike.
But, then again that's my .02 nothing special. Just speakin my mind.

[Antoine]

Wow...loosing Mazda3ers to SRT-4s now...bummer...common MS3!!!...or call up Hiboost ;)

[SilentSno]

SRT4 will of course feel better than a Mazda3i. Major HP difference. Congrads of a good car with great aftermarket, including Factory.

[122 Vega]

<TABLE class=tborder cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD class=alt1>I don't know about the 05's but i test drove an 04 SRT-4, and I'll say this much, the mazda 3 out-handels it anyday. The SRT-4's suspension felt too . . . bouncy going in and out of corners it felt like i want bouncing around. I like the feel of the 3's grip in corners. And, honestly . . . with an LSD and the hiboost kit . . . A mazda 3 will beat the snot out of the SRT-4. How much are the 05's gonig for? I'm guessin they START at 21k prob 22k. So, after juans' kit(4200), put to our 18k, that's 22200. So, you're kinda trading in the looks of the mazda for the warranty of the dodge. Fair trade if you ask me.
I mean, I'll be driving around a car that just looks sexier then a MOFO, but I'll have no warranty on my ride seeing as i boosted it. Now, you on the other hand can feel free to push the limits and hurt whatever parts you want(Just be sure to remember that excessive wear and tear will not be coverd . . ie if you blow a rod or something,a nd they notice that the pistons have been pushed excessivly. . . ) but you'll be driving around a picachoo lookalike.
But, then again that's my .02 nothing special. Just speakin my mind.
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Well a test drive is a lot different than owning one. I routinely drove my brother's 3, and my SRT kicked the crap out of it. For pure driving excitement, the SRT wins hands down. No contest, no question.

Feeding chain like this:

3 < MSP < SRT

Britt

[goldwing2000]

But at the end of the day, it's still a Neon. (loser)

[SilentSno]

But at the end of the day, it's still a Neon. (loser)
(owned)

[IllBinfrontofya]

Thanx goldwing . . . that's pretty much all i was trying to say. At the end of the day, when the cards are shown, when the sun sets, when the fat lady sing . . . you get the point . . . its still a NEON!
Now, I don't dought that the SRT-4 will beat the snot out of my car, wther it be in drag or streets. Drag : much much much more tq and hp then us and an LSD!!! Now, the ONLY reason I see the SRT-4 beating a mazda 3 in the street is because of its power once again. I think, that if we were to match the same hp and tq with the hiboost kit with a LSD and new tires (SRT-4 gets pretty good ones stock), we would be beating the snot out of them! And, if you're racing your SRT in races or events, you've already lost your warranty anyway.
So, I can see where someone would DEF trade in the 3 for a SRT-4. But, what I can't see is someone trading in their 3 for an SRT-4 AFTER you've heard about the Hiboost kit!!! I mean, how can you deny yourself the pleasure of driving a car that is just soo fucking sexy and beating cars that cost just as much as your did WITH the kit!!!
I took the route of crappy looker but mean MOFO my first 2 cars(GSR and Civic HB) both were salvaged and looked like total crap(Neon). But, boy when i pulled up next to corvettes and wrx's and beat the snot piss out of them . . . there's no word that can explaine the feeling ;) This time, I'd rather be riding in style.
(On a side note . . . my dad just RAN INTO my 3 S . . . JUST AFTER getting it fixed and painted. . . AGAIN!!!!! )

[mazpro]

(On a side note . . . my dad just RAN INTO my 3 S . . . JUST AFTER getting it fixed and painted. . . AGAIN!!!!! )

damn that sucks, what happened? pics?

[IllBinfrontofya]

Just backed out of the garage without looking i guess. Starting half-way from the back door to the middle of rear panel. Its pretty bad, and yea. . . But he said he'll pay for it asap and to get it fixed. So, all is well.

[JOS3]

enjoy your skittle.

[REMillers]

(owned)

Psst at the end of the day a MSP is still a Protege, a Civic SI is still a Civic etc. etc. etc. etc.

Point being, there is no ownage with such statements. its fruitless. (yawn)

[fam]

all skittles plz cancel your membership here, we are diabetics here and we dont need the kid candy.

[cable43]

congrats.. don't over steer off the island

[Aricjm15]

all skittles plz cancel your membership here, we are diabetics here and we dont need the kid candy.
sorry kiddie, not gonna happen

[REMillers]

Comparing stock vs modded isn't a comparison that can be used in most cases. Cause in the end take the money you spent towards the 3 and put in a SRT and the SRT will be ahead again.

Looks though is a personal issue and opinion, some may like it others may not. Some may hate the way a 3 looks, others may not.

But in the end performance vs performance either modvs mod or stock vs stock, the SRT will beat out the 3. No doubts in either department.

Again have to mention it doesn't knock the 3 in anyway. It fills its niche in the market quite well. But in the realm of performance is isn't there, though can be. But hey a Yugo can be fast, therefore why don't we start comparing that? Its a endless circle....

[Mikey444]

I am not a big fan of the SRT-4 but congrats on your new car and what counts is that you are happy with it and feel good about it. (headbang)

[TuRbOtEcTicS]

But at the end of the day, it's still a Neon. (loser)
and this neon will whoop any mazda3 all day. Makes it more embarassing for the 3 CAUSE ITS A NEON!!!

[jflo]

everyone shut up !

blah blah blah SRT-4 this, mazda that. everyone eat your own dick (or ovaries) if you care to debate about shit like this.

[VegasMSP]

Congrats TuRbOtEcTicS!

Welcome to the darkside my friend(evil) ! What color did you get?

[goldwing2000]

and this neon will whoop any mazda3 all day. Makes it more embarassing for the 3 CAUSE ITS A NEON!!!

So are you actually expecting to get some love for your Neon on a Mazda3 forum? (screwy)

[IllBinfrontofya]

Comparing stock vs modded isn't a comparison that can be used in most cases. Cause in the end take the money you spent towards the 3 and put in a SRT and the SRT will be ahead again. ..
Not true. You are looking to pay AT LEAST 23k for a BASE STOCK SRT-4 out the door with tax title and reg. Now, out the door with my 3 I paid like 18500. Now the hiboost is 4200, which brings out car to 22700, then some forged rods and injectors bring our car to about 24k done! And, that then brings us to 10 psi pushing more HP AND more TQ throughout the power-band. SOOooo, to me that would mean that our 3's are actually on par with their SRTs. Don't get me? Don't care.
Also, I'm not trying to diss your neon, although it may seem that way. Its just that I take much pride in the Mazda 3 and when people start saying the SRT is better then thje mazda, I just have to explaine why its not.

[Aricjm15]

Not true. You are looking to pay AT LEAST 23k for a BASE STOCK SRT-4 out the door with tax title and reg. Now, out the door with my 3 I paid like 18500. Now the hiboost is 4200, which brings out car to 22700, then some forged rods and injectors bring our car to about 24k done! And, that then brings us to 10 psi pushing more HP AND more TQ throughout the power-band. SOOooo, to me that would mean that our 3's are actually on par with their SRTs. Don't get me? Don't care.
Also, I'm not trying to diss your neon, although it may seem that way. Its just that I take much pride in the Mazda 3 and when people start saying the SRT is better then thje mazda, I just have to explaine why its not.
dude sticker is 22k
that and only a fucking retard would pay sticker for a car

[Aricjm15]

oh and get this, you will also pay $22k or less for a FULLY LOADED srt-4, they only come in one trim package unless you want an ACR
and dont forget, a $15 home depot boost controller on an srt-4 would kick the shit out of your highboost
if you really want to nic pic, performance is not the way to go, why dont you make fun of the shitty interior or somthing?

[chwood]

omg somebody kill this thread

[splitvizion]

my boy went from a Type-S to a Mach 1 back to a Type-S and now he has traveled into the world of the SRT. What a FUCK. How many differant flavors can you get in one popsicle. He don't know what the hell he wants. Although, Mach 1 kills anything that I have ever driven. Crazy power.

[miss_steele_msp]

this is a srt4 trying to hang with a speed and rex around a very tight exit

[goldwing2000]

this is a srt4 trying to hang with a speed and rex around a very tight exit

Hehehe...

(owned)

[IllBinfrontofya]

. . . . . . . . Neon!!!!

[IllBinfrontofya]

Because performance is the way to go. You're saying that the SRT-4 can outhandle my mazda 3 with the same tires on them, and same HP? MY LEFT FUCKING NUT!!! I will; after i get my hiboost kit, tires, and lsd; find a SRT-4 with a $15 home depot boost controller and video tape the entire race . . . won't be too hard at all really . . I'll jsut have to bolt it faceing the rear window . . . HAHAHAHA :)

[IllBinfrontofya]

Oh by the way, I still give props to your new car . . whoever traded in the mz3. If you are happy with it, then nothing else matter, DEF not what I or anyone else says. I'll say it again, I'm biased. But let me tell you this, " I'm biased with good intent.!"

[REMillers]

this is a srt4 trying to hang with a speed and rex around a very tight exit

hehe should we go searching this forum again for the pics of MSPs that lost it on a curvey road due to a "deer". Deer sure seem to have it out for the Proteges eh?

Not bashing but bad drivers plaque all areas of cars.

Though this will be the last comment. All cars have their strong point, all cars can be made fast when modified. Though again the time and money put there can be use to make the other faster.

Looks are a personal opinion.

and the SRT is faster (poke) (friday) enjoy whatever ride you value the most.

[Aricjm15]

Because performance is the way to go. You're saying that the SRT-4 can outhandle my mazda 3 with the same tires on them, and same HP? MY LEFT FUCKING NUT!!! I will; after i get my hiboost kit, tires, and lsd; find a SRT-4 with a $15 home depot boost controller and video tape the entire race . . . won't be too hard at all really . . I'll jsut have to bolt it faceing the rear window . . . HAHAHAHA :)
dude, its a neon that is faster than your car and almost the same price, and $ for $ an SRT will always be faster, and yes it probably does handle better.
but the mazda 3 has many more creature comforts than the Srt, the interior is far superior. the cars were made for two different things, SRT=fast mazda3 = creature comforts, its like getting pissed that you cant fit your luggage in the back of your ferrari
if you wanted a balls to the walls fast car you bought the wrong car

[mobomelter]

if you think the srt-4 handles good stock then you need to try reading some car magazines (sport compact, road and track, etc) most of them agree in a straight line the srt-4 is awesome but it sucks in the corners. also the srt-4 has terrible resale value. you might pay 22 for it but in 2 years you'll only get 15 or less.

[Airman Jack]

if you think the srt-4 handles good stock then you need to try reading some car magazines (sport compact, road and track, etc) most of them agree in a straight line the srt-4 is awesome but it sucks in the corners. also the srt-4 has terrible resale value. you might pay 22 for it but in 2 years you'll only get 15 or less.

now really, did you buy your car for it's eventual resale value? I bought mine to drive it, until the warranty runs out, then mod :)
A buddy of mine has an SRT-4 with the Mopar stage 3 kit, and he's putting down about 400hp at the wheels. He's sunk a LOT of money into the engine compartment of that little beast. He does some racing, but all of it in a straight line.

Everyone, use your car as you see fit, and choose the car that fits you!!
p.s. the 3 handles really nicely on a short twisty road course! I was keeping up with an RSX-s at Shannonville, and he had a swaybar and track tires :D

[marineaulu]

Dodge Neon = Shitbox (my opinion after owning both a Chrysler and a GM vehicle for 6 years)
I've learn the hard way. American cars, never never again.
Once you go jap, you never go back.

Neon (SRT whatever it's called, cause it is really a Neon) may be fast out of the dealer' garage, but by the time you reach 80,000km, the only ticket you will get is for being illegally stalled on the side of the road.

Resale value is close to nothing. Shit cars are worth nothing on the resale market. Three years later, you may not even be able to sell the car at a cost that will pay off the remaining of your loan. I know, I had to keep my @%$@?? Chrysler for years, cause I could't sell it above the loan balance value. It depreciated too quiclky. (headshake

Look wise, it does look like the previous Neons, except with a body kit and new wheels, WOW, what an improvement. And the interior, well, your thing if you like it. Want another example, the Dodge Caravan. The 2005 is actually identical to the 1996, except for some minor changes, such as the dash style, front/rear bumber, side body lines, etc. In term of technology, totally retarded. But hey, they are cheap! Really cheap when compared to import mini-vans, which is why they sell so many.

Comfort: You just won't buy a Neon SRT for comfort, MacDonald plastic chairs are better than this (I know, I test drove one).

So really, not sure why people actually buy these cars. I imagine they get impressed when test driving one and sign up right after.

But hey, we are all free to buy the car we like. Good luck, enjoy the ride while it last. (freak)

[IllBinfrontofya]

dude, its a neon that is faster than your car and almost the same price, and $ for $ an SRT will always be faster, and yes it probably does handle better.
but the mazda 3 has many more creature comforts than the Srt, the interior is far superior. the cars were made for two different things, SRT=fast mazda3 = creature comforts, its like getting pissed that you cant fit your luggage in the back of your ferrari
if you wanted a balls to the walls fast car you bought the wrong car
I am loving this man, you keep giving me bullets to shoot you with!!! :)
How DARE you say the SRT is about the same price as a Mazda 3 S!! U should be smacked in the face for saying that! (headshake) (screwy) Now, using YOUR info, you say you can get a fully equipped SRT for 22 out the door(WHICH I HIGHLY DOUBT SEEING AS TAX AND REG HAVEN'T BEEN PUT IN . . . BUT WE'LL GIVE YA THAT JUST FOR FUN) I just priced one with EVERYTHING and it came out to 23,587 without tax or reg. And the SRT doesn't come with Navi, nor does it come with Seat warmers, NOR does it come with LEATHER INTERIOR, nor does it come with HIDS. So, If i were to build a comparative mazda 3 to the laytout of the SRT fully equipped I would come to around a 19k car(I'm being modest). SO . . . . that would mean there's a . . .hmmm . . 3k difference. IN PRICE. Put another 1200 into the diff and you got yourself a boosted 3 with MORE hp and MORE tq and WAY BETTER LOOKS.
And before you have a chance, yes you could take 1200 and put it into a boost controller and some new up and down pipes. But, let me tell you this, you put a 350 whp SRT(becuz that's what I'd believe they are with up and down pipes) up against a 350 whp mazda 3 in the turns . . watch as the SRT slowly begins to fall back after each turn but gain it up in the straight aways. (fuoops)
I'm done . . . I've had to much to smoke today . . . (smoke)

[IllBinfrontofya]

And I'm sorry in advance for upsetting you. I'm just VERY BIASED ABOUT MY BABY!

[Aricjm15]

I am loving this man, you keep giving me bullets to shoot you with!!! :)
How DARE you say the SRT is about the same price as a Mazda 3 S!! U should be smacked in the face for saying that! (headshake) (screwy) Now, using YOUR info, you say you can get a fully equipped SRT for 22 out the door(WHICH I HIGHLY DOUBT SEEING AS TAX AND REG HAVEN'T BEEN PUT IN . . . BUT WE'LL GIVE YA THAT JUST FOR FUN) I just priced one with EVERYTHING and it came out to 23,587 without tax or reg. And the SRT doesn't come with Navi, nor does it come with Seat warmers, NOR does it come with LEATHER INTERIOR, nor does it come with HIDS. So, If i were to build a comparative mazda 3 to the laytout of the SRT fully equipped I would come to around a 19k car(I'm being modest). SO . . . . that would mean there's a . . .hmmm . . 3k difference. IN PRICE. Put another 1200 into the diff and you got yourself a boosted 3 with MORE hp and MORE tq and WAY BETTER LOOKS.
And before you have a chance, yes you could take 1200 and put it into a boost controller and some new up and down pipes. But, let me tell you this, you put a 350 whp SRT(becuz that's what I'd believe they are with up and down pipes) up against a 350 whp mazda 3 in the turns . . watch as the SRT slowly begins to fall back after each turn but gain it up in the straight aways. (fuoops)
I'm done . . . I've had to much to smoke today . . . (smoke)
are you a fucking moron? dude I said the mazda 3 had way better creature comforts, where did you miss that? and SRT's do not handle "BAD" by any means, they are just not as good as a MAZDASPEED PROTEGE

[IllBinfrontofya]

I'm done with this, its an endless battel. . . .. .










I WIN!

[Aricjm15]

I'm done with this, its an endless battel. . . .. .










I WIN!
and when you blow your 350whp car what dealer are you going to get you engine fixed at?

you will never own a 250hp+ mazda3, you will end up like most of the people on here, a dreamer that bitches that everything is to much damn money, so really your argument is useless
sure you win

[Roywhitep5]

My Penis Is Bigger Than Your Penis!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AzMz3]

I'm done with this, its an endless battel. . . .. .
I WIN!


There sure is alot of people that think they know what a SRT-4 is.
And there is alot of bad information floating in here also.
Both cars, Mazda3 and SRT-4 are pretty close in sticker price. The Srt-4 does handle very well, and having drove both I would say it does out handle a Mazda3.

Bottom line is that the SRT-4 is a low priced, high HP tuner car. There are lots of aftermarket support and even crazy factory support. You will probaly never find a car like this again.

Is it ugly, thats a matter of opinion. Is it reliable, I know a few 03's no problems at all.

And why shouldn't we show him so resprect and say nice car. If you were any type of true car enthusist you would, but I guess they are very few here.
Too many jealous uninformed kids here that only comment is "IT'S A NEON".

Congrats on the car... It is truely a bad ass ride.

IllBinfrontofya (screwy)
mobomelter (screwy)
goldwing2000 (screwy)

Some advice to the few uniformed...stop reading magazines, if you haven't done it in real life then you are only making yourself look like an ass with your magazine quotes. (dunno)

[IllBinfrontofya]

what you all need to realize is that this is all fun and games. This isn't i'll beat your ass for saying that. That's what makes forums so great. I can be a hardass without being one in real life! ;)
Also, that's you're opinon Az . . .

[AzMz3]

what you all need to realize is that this is all fun and games. This isn't i'll beat your ass for saying that. That's what makes forums so great. I can be a hardass without being one in real life! ;)
Also, that's you're opinon Az . . .


Being a hardass and knowing what you are taking about is totally different than what you and a few others were doing.
So being a hardass and not knowing what you are talking about shows nothing but ignorance.

Only thing I see that is opinion is that the SRT-4 is ugly....everything else is facts.

Kinda hard to win at anything when you lack knowledge.

Fun and games besides, show some respect and intelligence. It will make this forum look better. (headshake

[122 Vega]

FYI, I got my SRT-4 for $20,900 with everything but the Kicker system. That included registration as well. My MSP cost $20,500 (cause I bought it before the rebates and crap). the resale on the MSP? Lucky to get $12,500 right now. And the SRT? I got sticker ($21,600) trade in plus $4500 rebate on my Dakota. Paid less for a fully loaded Dakota Quad than for the SRT. Had my fun with it, and now my payment is less.

Britt

[VegasMSP]

There sure is alot of people that think they know what a SRT-4 is.
And there is alot of bad information floating in here also.
Both cars, Mazda3 and SRT-4 are pretty close in sticker price. The Srt-4 does handle very well, and having drove both I would say it does out handle a Mazda3.

Bottom line is that the SRT-4 is a low priced, high HP tuner car. There are lots of aftermarket support and even crazy factory support. You will probaly never find a car like this again.

Is it ugly, thats a matter of opinion. Is it reliable, I know a few 03's no problems at all.

And why shouldn't we show him so resprect and say nice car. If you were any type of true car enthusist you would, but I guess they are very few here.
Too many jealous uninformed kids here that only comment is "IT'S A NEON".

Congrats on the car... It is truely a bad ass ride.

IllBinfrontofya (screwy)
mobomelter (screwy)
goldwing2000 (screwy)

Some advice to the few uniformed...stop reading magazines, if you haven't done it in real life then you are only making yourself look like an ass with your magazine quotes. (dunno)


Well written AzMz3! That was the best post on this thread! As for everyone else here. Loosen up, did't you notice that most of the SRT 4 peeps here, are all former Mazda owners. That's including myself. We aren't some trolls trying to stir up the pot. Some of us ex-mazda owners still like this forum and doesn't really matter what we drive now. When I had my msp everyone here was like one big happy family, now that people are trading in there cars their is a little resistance. I loved my MSP, handling was amazing! But the motor was a ticking time bomb and I didn't want to get to deep into do engine work. So I went w/ the SRT 4 because of how reliable and capable motor is. For that reason, I didn't care about the looks of the car or the interior. Dodge took there time engineering the motor right. At least I waited on the 3rd year of the SRT4 so if any major issue arrised on the first year at least they would be taken care of in the following years. My msp I was at the dealer for warranty issue 3 times before 7000 miles on it. If the msp would have been around for a couple more years I'm sure Mazda would have cleaned up the issues. Plus I love the vendor support I get w/ my srt, with the MSP it was far and between. Mopar offers a stage 3 kit that runs up to 355hp/365tq that runs on stock internals Safely! and has been proven over and over again. It may still be a neon chasis, but performance wise it is all different.

I get crap about my car all the time from my friends, until we square up at the track or the light. Then they don't say much anymore after that, besides "Damn those things are f*cking fast!" (excuse my french). I had to shut my friend up in his V8 mustang, who kept riding me about my car at work day in and day out. One day he chased me down at lunch, reving his pipes and said lets go! Guess what! We started from a roll and I started pulling a half car away from him before reaching traffic. Now he says "Well now I have alot more respect for that car" and doesn't talk smack anymore. He couldn't believe the car was still stock! I told him "Yeah I love watching that boost gauge hitting that stock 15 psi everytime I get on it!":)

Well enough ranting! Congrats Turbonetics! What color did you get btw?

As for everyone else! I know part my roots come from here. Shot my MSP was my first turbo car and a great learning experience. A lot of us that moved on to other vehicles still come here to hang out. I don't think my car is far superior then everyone else's, I'm just a car enthusiast like everyone is here!
CAN'T WE JUST GET ALONG (friday)

[goldwing2000]

Both cars, Mazda3 and SRT-4 are pretty close in sticker price.

SRT-4 MSRP: $22k
Mazda3s MSRP: $17k

$5,000 is "pretty close"?

Now who's (screwy)?

You must have a lot more money than I do.

[AzMz3]

SRT-4 MSRP: $22k
Mazda3s MSRP: $17k

$5,000 is "pretty close"?

Now who's (screwy)?

You must have a lot more money than I do.

Sticker here for the SRT-4 was $21K and the Mazda3 was $20K....so yes that is pretty close.

And as for money I might have!

I see that the uninformed just don't know when to quit.

[goldwing2000]

Sticker here for the SRT-4 was $21K and the Mazda3 was $20K....so yes that is pretty close.

And as for money I might have!

I see that the uninformed just don't know when to quit.

I see that the arrogant continue digging themselves in deeper.

Was the Mazda3 a 4-door or 5-door? What options were installed on each?

Try www.kbb.com and look up base MSRP prices.

[goldwing2000]

Here, I'll even do it for you:

http://home.comcast.net/~goldwing2000/kbb.jpg

[AzMz3]

Read, then re-read agian.
Sticker price for both cars, Mazda3 $20K....SRT-4 $21
You listed the starting price for a base Mazda3s.

No need to take this way off topic trying to justify your uniformed comments.

[goldwing2000]

Read and understand:
Sticker price on the two cars you chose to look at is NOT, I repeat, NOT an adequate sample of vehicles on which to make pricing assumptions for the whole country.
If it was your personal criteria for making a decision, fine. You're entitled to keep your blinders on.
Don't expect everyone to follow your narrow point of view.

This isn't off-topic. The entire discussion is about the Neon SRT-4 and Mada3.

[fam]

who cares. this is a mazda forum, youve already converted to the dark side and just causing a stir in here. someone lock this thread, ban the user, and get back to mazda talk, if i wanted to gawk at skittles id go on www.srtneonsareforfatteenageboys.com !

[mobomelter]

darn that would have been a cool website.

[IllBinfrontofya]

Goldwing . . you rock. How dare they compare the prices and say they are close!!! MY FU*KIN ASS THEY ARE! You had it right, even more right then me :)
Azmz, there have been posts where YOU have been ME or Goldwing, and have mouthed off before not knowing what you are saying. Now, I'm not saying you do it all the time, becuz U do offer VERY good insite and opinons on varius topics that I participate in. But . . . This is one battle you'll lose! The Mazda 3 costs NO-WHERE near the price of the SRT, and with the money left over, you could buy the hiboost kit and some rods, coils, wires and be pushing 340whp and 350+ lbs tq. AND, all that for the BASE PRICE of the neon! So, please just back up and realize that the mazda 3, with the same amount of money put into it, will beat a SRT anyday of the week. Now, when we start talking upgrading big time, and so forth, the SRT will take a mazda 3 straight line ANYDAY!!! But, I'M NOT BUDGING ON THE SRT'S HANDELING!!! No matter how hard you try, stock handeling Vs. Stock handeling . . with the hiboost kit, that srt isn't going to touch me in a twisty race!!! I'm sorry, but I KNOW I'M RIGHT.
GoldWing . . . stand strong Mazda Brethren!!! We will not crumble at the feet of such people!

[AzMz3]

Goldwing . . you rock. How dare they compare the prices and say they are close!!! MY FU*KIN ASS THEY ARE! You had it right, even more right then me :)
Azmz, there have been posts where YOU have been ME or Goldwing, and have mouthed off before not knowing what you are saying. Now, I'm not saying you do it all the time, becuz U do offer VERY good insite and opinons on varius topics that I participate in. But . . . This is one battle you'll lose! The Mazda 3 costs NO-WHERE near the price of the SRT, and with the money left over, you could buy the hiboost kit and some rods, coils, wires and be pushing 340whp and 350+ lbs tq. AND, all that for the BASE PRICE of the neon! So, please just back up and realize that the mazda 3, with the same amount of money put into it, will beat a SRT anyday of the week. Now, when we start talking upgrading big time, and so forth, the SRT will take a mazda 3 straight line ANYDAY!!! But, I'M NOT BUDGING ON THE SRT'S HANDELING!!! No matter how hard you try, stock handeling Vs. Stock handeling . . with the hiboost kit, that srt isn't going to touch me in a twisty race!!! I'm sorry, but I KNOW I'M RIGHT.
GoldWing . . . stand strong Mazda Brethren!!! We will not crumble at the feet of such people!

Man....it is pretty thick in here.
He is right how. I have the sticker and invoice for my car and it is nowhere near $16K

And I really don't know what he means you can't use sticker price? Why not?

And I don't know if you have ever driven a srt-4 before or not, but they handle alot better than a Mazda3. The Mazda3 is too soft and mushy to even compare to the SRT-4. And they now have stock LSD I'm sure that gives them an edge in the twisties too. So I say if you think a SRT-4 can't handle compared to a Mazda3 then you obviously have never driven one in the twisties. Either that or you were scared of it.

And just to humor you even it their was a $5000 difference you still would not touch a SRT-4. Sorry but it will take alot more than just that. But if you wanna start with the base model sure you might look at a $5000 difference. But why compare a base model to a SRT-4, I'll compare the model I have and there is a very very small price gap.
But seriously why can't you use sticker price?

It is cool that you are all about the Mazda3, but you have to be a true enthusis to appreciate other cars for being special and unique....And the SRT-4 is just that. The Mazda3 is a great car, the SRT-4 is a true out the box racer for a killer price.

Appreciate the car for what it is and don't hate. It is always pretty stupid to try to compare an aftermarket turbo car to a factory turbo car. The factory turbo car usually comes out on top in price and reliablity. And with this car you get the benefit of factory support with upgrades.

I love my Mazda. But I think when the time comes to think about a turbo. I will have the $7000 in hand with a printed dyno of a boosted Mazda3 and a booklet of a brand new SRT-4.

[fam]

Some Logic:
If i was trying to pick up a girl in a mazda3 she wouldnt think anything about the car...maybe she woudl say the word "cute" now if i pulled up in srt skittle she would scoff to her friends..."i like him but he drives a neon ick. im sOOoOo not gonna be making out in that thing, lets go make out with some girls" ok maybe i exageratted the last part but you get the point.
i heard this in sunday school:
"the reasons those skittles are fast is because after the cobra owners make fun of them they need to get outa there fast!

[N2OInferno]

I agree.

Face it, the SRT4 is the dominant force in its class and price range. That's why everyone wants to be better than it. They can't stand the fact that a Dodge Neon is faster than their car. Oh boo hoo. You're as bad as the people saying "BUT AN EVO IS JUST A LANCER!"

If you bought your Mazda to be fast, I'm sorry. You bought the wrong car.

[fam]

dominant only on a performance side, you give up looks and money and pride for one of the ugliest cars ive ever seen. I cant help but laugh when i see one, and im not being a prick, im telling you the honest truth, and im sick of dodge talk in a mazda forum, im not jealous of it nor will i ever be (ive been a mustang guy for years until mazda conversion) so if youre looking for respect or kind words youre not gonna get it, and people giving this thing sympathy is pathetic, go flame a dodge forum.

[mobomelter]

i still don't understand how anyone can say the srt-4 handles well. are you saying every automobile magazine that has tested the srt-4 and come up with the conclusion "fast in a straight line but bad in the corners" is wrong? bottom line is the srt-4 is simply the fallout of the piece of shit pt cruiser turbo. its the same engine that was/is in the pt cruiser turbo. bottom line is if you want speed and some handling buy a wrx and smoke an srt-4.

[AzMz3]

i still don't understand how anyone can say the srt-4 handles well. are you saying every automobile magazine that has tested the srt-4 and come up with the conclusion "fast in a straight line but bad in the corners" is wrong? bottom line is the srt-4 is simply the fallout of the piece of shit pt cruiser turbo. its the same engine that was/is in the pt cruiser turbo. bottom line is if you want speed and some handling buy a wrx and smoke an srt-4.


How is the SRT-4 a fall-out of the Turbo PT cruiser. Yes they are a same engine, but the SRT-4 came first. And it is a very solid built engine.
Did ya read that in a magizine too. I have almost ever mag that has a SRT-4 in it and not once did I see that it was bad in the corners.
Bottom line is you haven't even drove a SRT-4, I have!
And the Mazda3 is not a great handling car as most of you think.
So that is how anyone can say that a SRT-4 does handle better than a Mazda3, drive one you will see. If your not too scared of it!

People that just want to flame a car or the person that has it just because they think it is ugly is very pathetic!

As stated many times only a true enthusist will appreciate the SRT-4 for what it is.

[N2OInferno]

Looks are an opinion. You can't say "you gave up good looks" if someone likes the looks of the SRT4. I know people that actually think the Pontiac Aztek looks good, but that's ther opinion so I'm not going to tell them they're wrong. Laugh if you want... I guess it'd make just as much sense for me to laugh at every person that I see in a Turbo Cayenne, cause I think they're ugly as sin even though they are a beast of an automobile.. Whatever. Price.. So let's see.. Other cars that can compare performance wise to this car for the money, off the dealer lot.. Only the Ion Redline, Cobalt SS, and the base WRX come close, and even those are slower. Can't vouch for the new Golf or Jetta as I haven't heard mucha bout the 2.0T in them now. I've been in about all of the new cars in this class of vehicle, and I'll tell you right out, if you want nice plush build quality and a great interior with those being your top priorities, buy a VW. If you're sick of the talk, leave the thread alone. Then it doesn't get to five pages like this of people going "omg mazdas rule get out of our board you dodge fanboy" Please.. Give me a moment while I play the world's smallest violin for you.

I haven't seen ANYONE say that the SRT4 is terrible in the corners. And if you pay attention to REAL racing and not magazines, the Neon has always been a contender in SCCA autocrossing, etc.. If you really want to go by magazines, and if it's really a terrible car, why did Sport Compact Car give it the Sport Compact Car of the Year award in 03?

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0302scc_neon/

Just wait until the ACR is out and it will be tearing everything apart even more hardcore!

What's so bad about this engine being in the PT Turbo? here's an idea.. Maybe it's a good engine. Maybe that's why they're using it in the PT Turbo!! The PT Turbo is actually a pretty peppy car. Not my favorite but it can definitely get out of its own way better than most competitive cars. Maybe that's why all of the SRT-8 vehicles (Charger, 300, Magnum, Jeep...) are all getting the same 415hp Hemi engine as well too! Because they decided that one engine can go into each of these cars because it's a good engine! It's one thing to not like the SRT4. It's something completely different to belittle someone for buying one. Get over it. You don't like it, tough. Nobody forced you to post a reply, and really the flames do nothing but make you look like assholes. The guy's happy he bought a car, and you try to make him feel stupid.

[Mazda3ofKent]

Some Logic:
If i was trying to pick up a girl in a mazda3 she wouldnt think anything about the car...maybe she woudl say the word "cute" now if i pulled up in srt skittle she would scoff to her friends..."i like him but he drives a neon ick. im sOOoOo not gonna be making out in that thing, lets go make out with some girls" ok maybe i exageratted the last part but you get the point.
i heard this in sunday school:
"the reasons those skittles are fast is because after the cobra owners make fun of them they need to get outa there fast!
you do have a point there alot of pepole like how the 3 looks, to out siders of the tuneing world the SRT-4 is just a Neon sad but true, I love both cars actualy I chose the Mazda 3 becuse I have enough speeding tickes on my record allready, with out buying a power house now, so by time the points roll off I will be able to buy the turbo kit for the 3

[Mikey444]

(pics)

[marineaulu]

The Neon (SRT) may be faster than the Mazda 3.
I don't really care. Who really cares? Really! It takes more than a fast Shitbox to impress me.

If a guy is all happy because his car is faster than all the others, to me, that does not mean the car is better in any ways. Are we dumb enough to judge a car strictly by its acceleration/speed?

Speed is one thing, quality and comfort is another. And what about look? Whater your priorities are in life. I usually like to find a right balance, which I found the Mazda 3 was offering.

For the Neon, well, yes, it may be fast, but look, comfort, and built quality sucks in my opinion. But hey, some people do like the McDonald plastic chairs! It's their choice, good for them.

Why blaming Neon owners for buying such ?%%&& car, it's their cash, and their taste.

So, when I see a fast shitbox smoking by, I'm just smiling! (cheers2)
Cheers.

[N2OInferno]

Here's a question. Have you even driven a SRT-4?

[fam]

heres another question, who would want to?

[fam]

you do have a point there alot of pepole like how the 3 looks, to out siders of the tuneing world the SRT-4 is just a Neon sad but true, I love both cars actualy I chose the Mazda 3 becuse I have enough speeding tickes on my record allready, with out buying a power house now, so by time the points roll off I will be able to buy the turbo kit for the 3


I too would like a turbo kit although id prolly wait for the mazdaspeed and hope they do it right so i can get a warrantee, but its only because i personally would like 100 more hp and 100 more lb feet of torque, its not to race a bunch of ricers (american rice included) its just for my own personal fun.

[N2OInferno]

I would. Stop judging something you're biased against before you even try it. Or better yet, just leave the thread since you so obviously hate the SRT-4, and that is what this thread is about. It's a lot easier to click the small X in the top right corner than it is to type a response.

[Mazda3ofKent]

Here's a question. Have you even driven a SRT-4?
Yes an 03, I liked the power, but i did not like the overall feal

[mobomelter]

i apologize for mixing up the years for the pt-cruiser and the srt-4. i also would like to state that i'm not a brand fanboy. i would easily drop my mazda for a wrx or something with a turbo besides the srt-4.

[fam]

I would. Stop judging something you're biased against before you even try it. Or better yet, just leave the thread since you so obviously hate the SRT-4, and that is what this thread is about. It's a lot easier to click the small X in the top right corner than it is to type a response.

ITS A MAZDA FORUM.
I will do anything in my power to ruin this moronic thread from gaining any dodge fanboys as that is worse than worshipping satan himself. You are starting to sound like a skittle fanboy so why dont you go to a skittle forum so you kids can dream that youre racing underneath tractor trailers on city streets watch the latest spongebob movie after your parents give you permission. Sheesh.
and in case you forgot....
ITS A MAZDA FORUM

[N2OInferno]

I'm apologize. I was under the assumption that we were allowed to speak freely about what we pleased here even if it didn't pertain to Mazdas... Grow up. You need to realize that people don't ONLY talk about Mazdas even if it is a Mazda forum.

What are you talking about racing in an SRT4? I never said anything at all about racing. If I wanted to race, I'd build another Mustang or an LS1 F Body to drag in. I've liked the SRT4 since it came out, there's nothing wrong with that. Dodge fanboys worse than worshipping Satan.. haha.. man you have some problems. And everyone that drives an SRT4 is a ricer too.. Now I'm beginning to see your intelligence level. And for the record, I'm registered at srtforums.com too, and I talk about my Mazda there too.

Bottom line is that you have no say on the car. If you don't like the look, fine, that's your opinion. I think the 3 hatch looks terrible and that my P5 has ten times the style in the hood liner, but that's also my opinion, and you don't see me spouting off OMFG YOUR CAR LOOKS LIKE ASS! You haven't driven one, let alone taken it out on a road course and compared lap times to that of your 3. Magazine racing and saying "OMG BUT THEY SAID SUCH AND SUCH..." is moronic. At least Kent drove one, so he can viably voice his opinion. You, on the other hand, really have no say other than what the closed minded idiots have pumped into your brain that Dodge is bad. And you know why that started in the first place? Because Dodge was actually good. And some little ricer kid got smoked in his car that he thought was the absolute shit. People don't like to be outdone, and this is a prime example.

[mobomelter]

hey dodge can't make auto transmissions and you can't argue with that. my moms caravan went through 2 auto trans and my friends has gone through 7. i don't really have a problem with the srt-4 i just think much better cars can be had for not much more.

[N2OInferno]

Agreed. Caravans have terrible transmissions. My grandmother's transmission on her Shadow died after about 10 years too. Keep in mind that car was NEVER maintained, lol..

And yeah you can get stuff for not much more.. But it's hard to say that when you're doing comparisons like this.. Cause then you get into saying "The EVO isn't much more" and then "Well a Cobra isn't much more than that" and then "Well a Vette..." see where I'm going? But I agree, and especially if you look used, you can find some great deals that are better buys than the SRT4.

[goldwing2000]

The final word is basically this:

It all comes down to personal preference.

Nuff said.

The horse is dead.

(locked)