possibly buying mazdaspeed protege

[rhoades]

hey im looking into the mazda line of cars.. i have also been looking into the vw world as well.. i like the style of the jetta / gti golf and their vr6 engines. how do they compare to the mazdaspeed protege bodystyle the mazda far exceeds the vw but wut about proformance does anyone have one and can let me in on how it rides does it have pep. will it get up and go. im sure with 170 hp it should but just has me wondering if mazda may lag or anything. Id greatly appreciate any input.
Thanks
Ryan

[Daemos]

handling wise...msp gets it no contest.
speed wise, and if you go with the VR6 engine, well the VW will get it all to easily.
Modability, vw (huge aftermarket)
luxary vw
Price/performance MSP
Looks MSP

now it's all up to you.

If you got the money to buy a VR6 then you def can afford to mod the shit out of your car...so get the VR6 put some cash into it, and you'll have a very scary machine.

even better...get a GTI 1.8T chip it, and you'll have a scarier machine :)

[turbolsd]

you should also look at the gti 337 if there are any left.

[rhoades]

:o).. so if i got vw go gti. but can you tell me the difference in the gti and the jetta gli i was looking on the website and the engines and specs are identical i like hte look of the jetta far better than the gti. but i like the body of the mazdaspeed even more LOL.. is it possible sense the mazda speed is turbocharged to have it ordered with a bigger turbo like maybe a garrett t66? instead of the puny t35 ?!?! t35 is right isnt? anyway. i love mazda i been looking for a old rx7 becuz i seen and i know.. the rx7 smoke the hell auta a supra anyday.. but i dunno if im ready to take a assraping from insurance company everymonth .... so i wanna go a step down.

[turbolsd]

it comes with t25. so many people are waiting for this car to come.

[rhoades]

do you think you can have the car odered with a possibly bigger turbo or do you think it would be easy to upgrade to a larger turbo with no problems more than likely they have all the internals already upgraded to support the turbo thats in there now.. but the big question is.. can a larger turbo be installed without replacing alot of stuff.? hrm.. i was looking in sport compact and the number 1 "import" lol not really an import but sense mitsubishi builds the engine there concidered import.. the dodge svt basically a supped up neon wiht 223 hp at 6000 rpms and int he same mag shows the mazdaspeed in 2nd place with a 150hp @ 5000 rpms. also i noticed that the mazda mp3 of last year looks very similar to the mazdaspeed is this the same car cuz the mp3' was way more expensive wut are the specs on the mp3? anyone know?
thanks agian
Ryan

[OrangeAppeal]

first off, the engine is the same internally as the N/A 2.0L Protege engine. They did not beef up the internals.

Next thing....getting a bigger turbo. Very few people have this car yet, and I don't think many of them have looked into replacing the turbo, soo i don't think any of them know how hard it would be to replace.

Next thing....why replace the turbo. If you want more power, replace the exhaust with a less restrictive exhaust, and put in a larger front mount intercooler. Since your looking into replacing the turbo, i assume that you don't care much about the warranty? If this is true, you can get a boost controller and adjust the turbo for higher PSI...these things will get you more power than the 150 whp that SCC quotes. The T25R turbo that comes in the MSP is an excellent turbo (maybe small, but excellent).

Those are just a few things to consider with your original question.

[rhoades]

man.. i been doing this awhile.. adding exhaust and uncloging the factory front mount intercooler will help to an extent. and yes i know about boost controller even then most u'll be pushing maybe 190 if that.. i want more.. if you noticed above i was talking about the vw gti. its stock 200 hp but i like the body style of the mps. u told me nothing more than scm already told me Lol. but thanks for the info. maybe i should step up a lil and look at something a bit better mazda 6 maybe? i dunno. i got till march to deside. anyone got any other cars that are new throw a list my way.. id like to look into them. l8r all

[OrangeAppeal]

I wasn't trying to say that the FMIC and exhaust would give you 100hp or anything....it was just a start, and I know gains would be low. But combining that with pushing the PSI up to about 10 or 11 (if it's possible with this small turbo) could get you above 200 hp easily, and probably safely.

The only thing i was trying to say was that if you turned up the boost you could get to where the GTI starts, without spending tons of money.

But like mentioned before, if you plan to really turn up the boost and get a bigger turbo, you should seriously consider rebuilding the block with beefier rods and pistons, because it's just a stock N/A block right now with a turbo attached to it.

just my $0.02

[rhoades]

now thats something i agree with.. thats why i asked id idnt know if the engine already had the internals or not.. thanks much appreciated.. yeah for the simple fact of money issue's thats a good idea to push that lil turbo as far as ya can until you upgrade.

[AutoBox]

(2thumbs) ......wtf

[MSPinVA]

dude he's a troll. someone please ban him before he digs up some more 2 year old threads.

[Replica]

For the price I'd consider a GTi 1.8T. My friend's bone stock Jetta dynoed at 173whp! That's nuts. The VR6 doesn't even dyno that high. The MSP is great and everything but after reading all of the problems people have had, I'd consider other options in the price range. With just the APR chip and downpipe, putting 220 to the wheels should be no problem. Mid 14's with a baller VW interior...

[Replica]

[Ryan do not get the ms the car is weak it has no potentinal it looks good but that is about it try looking at the tiburon or specv you hav a better chance. specv and tiburon can get to 250 to the wheels without turbo. The ms has turbo and is only 170hp what the hellNo....they can't....

[AutoBox]

jesus kill this thread......ghay fockers

[Replica]

dont that the picture fool you the performance is not there no matter what you do to that car the higest you can run your boos is 9 anything higer good bye msI have no idea what you just said. Seriously....(scratch)

[MSPinVA]

OMG PLEASE ban him someone

[Replica]

the GTI 18T is way better than the ms the freaking mazda6 is faster than the ms and it is heavyNo, the MSP will probably put a second or two on a stock GTi in an autox. Also, make a reasonable comparision. A loaded Mazda 6 is about $21-23k and a speed is about $16-17k.

[jesse]

I'd get an msp. I drove a Jetta VR6 before we got the msp, and I hated it it. Last week when the msp was getting the oil changed I drove the Jetta and missed the MSP so much. To me the MSP feels like it has faster acceleration, but the Jetta is auto has has lowgrade gas in it. I also don't like the vw interior; its real plasticky and the drivers seat is too close to the middle of the car. Handling-MSP. Also, VW's aren't reliable at all. Ours has had a lot of problems and the dealer always charges way too much to fix them.

For the difference in price you could get a msp just as fast as a vr6. Then you could beef up the internals, then run a lot higher boost (our turbo seems to be able to handle over 15 psi. I'd think that if you get near 20 you might have to get a bigger turbo. I've seen it done so it is possible). You could also put in some n20 w/ stronger internals

[Replica]

For the difference in price you could get a msp just as fast as a vr6. Then you could beef up the internals, then run a lot higher boost (our turbo seems to be able to handle over 15 psi. I'd think that if you get near 20 you might have to get a bigger turbo. I've seen it done so it is possible). You could also put in some n20 w/ stronger internalsThe point is almost always invalid. There's a diffence between cash and financed car payment. Also, that warranty will be voided faster than crap! (lol2)

My friend got a loaded 1.8T GLS for about $18k. That also included the sport suspension, which is suprizingly good. The stock suspension sucks though, like driving a couch.

[mspeed101]

the GTI 18T is way better than the ms the freaking mazda6 is faster than the ms and it is heavyare you kidding me???? I own all gti's including the new R32, tiburon v6's, specV, mazda6, Rx8, all of them so what are you talking about. All I have is boost controller and intake and my boost is at 10psi without any problems. You obviously have no clue what the hell your talking about

[jersey_emt]

Don't feed the trolls.....

[Replica]

Don't feed the trolls.....I tried to reason with it. Blah, just delete the entire thread.(scratch)

[mspeed101]

I tried to reason with it. Blah, just delete the entire thread.(scratch)(mswerd)