Tito1
03-23-2005, 08:03 PM
I know I'm asking for it...but it's too funny.
I've left the author out, b/c my point is not to insult an individual, but just poke fun to the forum in general.
And no, I didn't even read it, I'm too busy completing Moby Dick.
But for thise with time enjoy...
<----- Try a BMW 7 series. Porsche I havent heard of that much. the higher end Mercedes are horrible. Theres a joke/rumor going around that they delibertly try to make car with problems so the dealer can profit off you taking to the dealer for a fix. maintence cost more then the car itself. I think it sthe amount of electronics and advance technology in it. I think the new high end BMW are better but the old high end BMW are just a pain.
Not as amusing as your statment.....
Well no shit shirlock. I enjoy spending money and getting broken, cheap, and shitty stuff (sarcastic). The problem is if you have taken a mangerial accounting course its nearly impossilble to get perfection at low cost. Good material that lead to relability cost money and business need profit to survive. In that case you would see prime rib sandwiches and grade A Fillet Migon stuffed with golden flakes and cavior Hamburgers at Mcdonalds 99 cent menu. insteadof sesame buns you will see diamond studed buns.
In a ideal/perfect world (your world) I could get a porsche GT1/ferrari Enzo for $50 and have it produce 1000 hp, handle on a dime, stop on a penny, last 1,000,000 miles with absoluely no engine rebiuld, get 1,000 miles to the gallon, a seat made of solid gold with eagle down seats made of manatee skin and throw in a Micheal Shumacher as your chuffer/instructor. oh what the hell throw in a supermodel with it too....or Jenna Jameson. All under $50.
But this is reality and money is the bottom line. Damn straight, when I spend $1 or how ever much it is, you would want the best/perfect product. But reality you cant and there is no such thing. You could spend $10 on a burger at houston and it would use the greatest meat and bun possible for a burger place but then you would bitch about how it doesnt come with a salad and soup. And if they include soup and salad you would bitch about how it doesnt come with dessert. Then you would say its not worth it because $10 only included salad and soup but not dessert. Perfection is hard to strive especially at a bargin. So I say again what did you expect from a $20K car? A freaking Porsche? What did you expect from a $10 burger? For them to go out of business because they made you happy and gave you everything you could have wanted in a car, burger or whatever at a cheap price?
The question at hand is how much reliability/quality can you get out of a car that is $20K brand new? let say You think a honda civic is reliable and a good "value," its also cheaply manufatuered in MExico, underpowered, feels cheap and handles like crap. But one thing you wont get with a civic is klunking noise but you will get all 115-130 hp and a 17 sec 1/4 mile..
How am I missing the point? I told you many times....brand new $20K cars at the time are 2003 SRT-4, MSP, Civic, Kia, Toyota Corrolla, camery, base RSX, base Celica, Sentra and many more but out of those which one would you choose?
And how is a volvo comparable to a MSP? A brand new volvo today starts at 23K. And comparing a car thats is 2 decades old is hard to pin point because you need to see how much the MSP time value of money. im sure the volvo cost more at the time then a $20K car now, and thus it had better quality parts which improves relability. Its all in how a company spreads it money. lets compare a brand new volvo S40 vs a SRT-4 similar price. SRT-4 has a amazing engine and tranny superior to the Volvo. But the volvo is more refined, leather seats, 6-speed, and most importantly it wont kill you in a crash. Thus Dodge gave you quality in the engine and tranny department giving you relability. The volov might not have the same relability in the engine but the Volvo gave you reliability in a car crash with its drop down engine design so the engine isnt sitting in your lap in a front end crash, and side airbags standard. a good example of where the money was spent. both car has a value of 22-23K and has the parts for a 22K car...just invested in different areas.
Goal of a firm is to increase Shareholder's wealth...#1 thing they say business school. And you increase shareholder's wealth by running highly efficent operation. The right thing to do is to used beautiful internals and qaulity stuff but that would almost mean no profit for the firm. Joining differnt parts together allow things to be built in bulk quantity and thus cuting cost (saving design and production for many engines). 1 engine can be used in many different cars and thus cuting cost to producing/designing engine for different cars. engines like LS1, 4g63, FS-DE and even Mazda's new MZR. And thus you have a Ford Duratec V6 in the new Mazda 6. Meaning sharing existing platforms or technology will make cars cheaper and easier to manufatuer....thus combining the best of both worlds. AMG is now desinging alot of Chrysler dodge's cars. The Chrysler Crossfire is really a Mercedes SLK with a different body. The new Chrysler 300 is really a Mercedes E class...how is that not sharing of thecnology and combining the best of both world to cut cost? The Chrysler dream car known as a ME412 is a a chrysler but the engine is a AMG V12 producing 850 hp along witha mercedes 7 speed Transmission. is that not an example of combining the best of both world to cut cost? All of it is done in house and thus they are sunken cost on payroll instead (work for the same copany) of outsourcing to lets say Cosworth/lotus. SRT-4 uses a Mitsubishi turbo becasue they are partners and own shares in each other thus comigning the best of both worlds to cut cost. How uch would it have cost them to source out a Garret turbo or design its own.
with that said....Read and this:
http://www.chugoku-np.co.jp/MAZDA/tokusyu4/e980526.html
there you go example of effiecny in practic and again like I said those that are effiecent are in business. Those that didnt care about cost and used the best material made no profit and eventually got eaten up by companies that had a more efficent operation. As a plant manager you want to be efficent as possible....because it whats keep you in bsuiness. Whats so hard to get about that?
Have you notice what happened maybe a month ago when proctor and Gamble bought Gillet saying it could reduce cost by being more efficent. combining their managment and their assembly lines they combined the best of both worlds. And the trade off of technology. Gillet #1 income is from innovation...they come out with a new razor all the time. MAch 3, mach 3 turbo blah blah blah. Proctor and gamble hoped they can profit off the innovation because P&G has what people say is "stagnent" innovation as their products havent changed in awhile. Thus combineing the best of both worlds. A more efficent manufatuering from Proctor And gamble. And innovation from Gillet.
Was a MSP really not worth $20K how much does a protege cost with all its suspention component, interior and turbo cost? Probally close to the same price.
I love how you are bitching about how much the MSP cost yet you are talkign to a lawyer that probally charges $200 an hour + legal processing. Loosing your interest on the car by having Mazda buy it back and spend it on another car above $20K. actually if Mazda does buy it back you they should pay you for what you paid plus interest. but you still have your legal fees, gas and insurence (sunk cost) that you paid for the car. And im sure a 175 hp turbo Miata isnt cheaper to insure then a 170 hp 4 door protege.
Good thing is the Miata is a car that cost mroe then the protege when it was brand new so technically you get a better car for that price.
If you made it this far, and actually read it you've answered the ????
I've left the author out, b/c my point is not to insult an individual, but just poke fun to the forum in general.
And no, I didn't even read it, I'm too busy completing Moby Dick.
But for thise with time enjoy...
<----- Try a BMW 7 series. Porsche I havent heard of that much. the higher end Mercedes are horrible. Theres a joke/rumor going around that they delibertly try to make car with problems so the dealer can profit off you taking to the dealer for a fix. maintence cost more then the car itself. I think it sthe amount of electronics and advance technology in it. I think the new high end BMW are better but the old high end BMW are just a pain.
Not as amusing as your statment.....
Well no shit shirlock. I enjoy spending money and getting broken, cheap, and shitty stuff (sarcastic). The problem is if you have taken a mangerial accounting course its nearly impossilble to get perfection at low cost. Good material that lead to relability cost money and business need profit to survive. In that case you would see prime rib sandwiches and grade A Fillet Migon stuffed with golden flakes and cavior Hamburgers at Mcdonalds 99 cent menu. insteadof sesame buns you will see diamond studed buns.
In a ideal/perfect world (your world) I could get a porsche GT1/ferrari Enzo for $50 and have it produce 1000 hp, handle on a dime, stop on a penny, last 1,000,000 miles with absoluely no engine rebiuld, get 1,000 miles to the gallon, a seat made of solid gold with eagle down seats made of manatee skin and throw in a Micheal Shumacher as your chuffer/instructor. oh what the hell throw in a supermodel with it too....or Jenna Jameson. All under $50.
But this is reality and money is the bottom line. Damn straight, when I spend $1 or how ever much it is, you would want the best/perfect product. But reality you cant and there is no such thing. You could spend $10 on a burger at houston and it would use the greatest meat and bun possible for a burger place but then you would bitch about how it doesnt come with a salad and soup. And if they include soup and salad you would bitch about how it doesnt come with dessert. Then you would say its not worth it because $10 only included salad and soup but not dessert. Perfection is hard to strive especially at a bargin. So I say again what did you expect from a $20K car? A freaking Porsche? What did you expect from a $10 burger? For them to go out of business because they made you happy and gave you everything you could have wanted in a car, burger or whatever at a cheap price?
The question at hand is how much reliability/quality can you get out of a car that is $20K brand new? let say You think a honda civic is reliable and a good "value," its also cheaply manufatuered in MExico, underpowered, feels cheap and handles like crap. But one thing you wont get with a civic is klunking noise but you will get all 115-130 hp and a 17 sec 1/4 mile..
How am I missing the point? I told you many times....brand new $20K cars at the time are 2003 SRT-4, MSP, Civic, Kia, Toyota Corrolla, camery, base RSX, base Celica, Sentra and many more but out of those which one would you choose?
And how is a volvo comparable to a MSP? A brand new volvo today starts at 23K. And comparing a car thats is 2 decades old is hard to pin point because you need to see how much the MSP time value of money. im sure the volvo cost more at the time then a $20K car now, and thus it had better quality parts which improves relability. Its all in how a company spreads it money. lets compare a brand new volvo S40 vs a SRT-4 similar price. SRT-4 has a amazing engine and tranny superior to the Volvo. But the volvo is more refined, leather seats, 6-speed, and most importantly it wont kill you in a crash. Thus Dodge gave you quality in the engine and tranny department giving you relability. The volov might not have the same relability in the engine but the Volvo gave you reliability in a car crash with its drop down engine design so the engine isnt sitting in your lap in a front end crash, and side airbags standard. a good example of where the money was spent. both car has a value of 22-23K and has the parts for a 22K car...just invested in different areas.
Goal of a firm is to increase Shareholder's wealth...#1 thing they say business school. And you increase shareholder's wealth by running highly efficent operation. The right thing to do is to used beautiful internals and qaulity stuff but that would almost mean no profit for the firm. Joining differnt parts together allow things to be built in bulk quantity and thus cuting cost (saving design and production for many engines). 1 engine can be used in many different cars and thus cuting cost to producing/designing engine for different cars. engines like LS1, 4g63, FS-DE and even Mazda's new MZR. And thus you have a Ford Duratec V6 in the new Mazda 6. Meaning sharing existing platforms or technology will make cars cheaper and easier to manufatuer....thus combining the best of both worlds. AMG is now desinging alot of Chrysler dodge's cars. The Chrysler Crossfire is really a Mercedes SLK with a different body. The new Chrysler 300 is really a Mercedes E class...how is that not sharing of thecnology and combining the best of both world to cut cost? The Chrysler dream car known as a ME412 is a a chrysler but the engine is a AMG V12 producing 850 hp along witha mercedes 7 speed Transmission. is that not an example of combining the best of both world to cut cost? All of it is done in house and thus they are sunken cost on payroll instead (work for the same copany) of outsourcing to lets say Cosworth/lotus. SRT-4 uses a Mitsubishi turbo becasue they are partners and own shares in each other thus comigning the best of both worlds to cut cost. How uch would it have cost them to source out a Garret turbo or design its own.
with that said....Read and this:
http://www.chugoku-np.co.jp/MAZDA/tokusyu4/e980526.html
there you go example of effiecny in practic and again like I said those that are effiecent are in business. Those that didnt care about cost and used the best material made no profit and eventually got eaten up by companies that had a more efficent operation. As a plant manager you want to be efficent as possible....because it whats keep you in bsuiness. Whats so hard to get about that?
Have you notice what happened maybe a month ago when proctor and Gamble bought Gillet saying it could reduce cost by being more efficent. combining their managment and their assembly lines they combined the best of both worlds. And the trade off of technology. Gillet #1 income is from innovation...they come out with a new razor all the time. MAch 3, mach 3 turbo blah blah blah. Proctor and gamble hoped they can profit off the innovation because P&G has what people say is "stagnent" innovation as their products havent changed in awhile. Thus combineing the best of both worlds. A more efficent manufatuering from Proctor And gamble. And innovation from Gillet.
Was a MSP really not worth $20K how much does a protege cost with all its suspention component, interior and turbo cost? Probally close to the same price.
I love how you are bitching about how much the MSP cost yet you are talkign to a lawyer that probally charges $200 an hour + legal processing. Loosing your interest on the car by having Mazda buy it back and spend it on another car above $20K. actually if Mazda does buy it back you they should pay you for what you paid plus interest. but you still have your legal fees, gas and insurence (sunk cost) that you paid for the car. And im sure a 175 hp turbo Miata isnt cheaper to insure then a 170 hp 4 door protege.
Good thing is the Miata is a car that cost mroe then the protege when it was brand new so technically you get a better car for that price.
If you made it this far, and actually read it you've answered the ????