location of egt probe on msp any pics???

[QCMSP]

any body with pics of where he put the egt probe on the msp manif.

Tanks

[QCMSP]

(stooges) (huh) (huh) (huh)

[QCMSP]

egt = exhaust gas temperature

[BlkZoomZoom]

The egt should be placed half the diameter of the primary tube of the exhaust manifold away from the cylinder head. It doesn't matter what type of car.

[QCMSP]

tanks for answering any pics




The egt should be placed half the diameter of the primary tube of the exhaust manifold away from the cylinder head. It doesn't matter what type of car.

[BlkZoomZoom]

I don't have a egt.

[QCMSP]

Any body have an egt install on a msp or what ????

[Turbobass]

You should drill a hole 2 inches from the cyl. head on the 1st cyl. nearest to the throttle body(on the exhaust manifod). I suggest using grease on the drill and the tap to minimise metal in the exhaust manifold (to prevent turbo damage). If you are not sure on how to do this , i suggest you to go to the nearest speed shop .

[Kooldino]

Also, when you tap it, have the car running, that way the exhaust pulls the shavings out.

[QCMSP]

And the shaving will not damage the turbo ?? anybody can confirm this ?? I think it's better to uninstall it.




Also, when you tap it, have the car running, that way the exhaust pulls the shavings out.

[Turbobass]

And the shaving will not damage the turbo ?? anybody can confirm this ?? I think it's better to uninstall it.

Yes , the best would be to uninstall it , but it can be leaved in place , but the metal chips will go trought the turbo and into the Cat ....

[Swerny]

PM Tiwing, he has one installed somewhere on the midpipe of his exhaust.

[wickedjra]

bump, for interest in pics for install in manifold. as far as install in midpipe, i thought it wasn't accurate if it's installed after turbo?????

[QCMSP]

I think it's stange that any body have pics of a egt install on a msp ?????

[Turbobass]

I've got a Celica with egt .... want the pics anyway ?

[QCMSP]

yes , it's better than nothing . But I still want to see a msp with it. I don't belive it, we are over 16000 user on this forum and any body have the pic I want.

off topic but ......
Btw turbobass I think we can speak in french we are both from québec. Es ce que je me trompe ???? Je suis aussi sur le forum CPQ et toi ??



I've got a Celica with egt .... want the pics anyway ?

[BlkZoomZoom]

Why do you want pics so bad?

[QCMSP]

B/C I would like to see (eek2) were he put it. I have one to install on my msp and I wonder How I will do it and were I should drill the hole ????




Why do you want pics so bad?

[QCMSP]

to the top !!!

Last Call .....

[ricenudles]

i spoke with the main mechanic at SPD about the placement of the EGT. He pointed out to me another location to install the sensor (the J-pipe). What I noticed is that the stock J-pipe of the MSP acutally has a bunge with bolt covering it up. I don't know if it will work, but try plugging in the sensor there. Any thoughts on this?

[Metal MP5]

I was told to put it in the downpipe instead of the manifold because the temp in the manifold might be a little bit too high ?

My EGT stays around 1100 degress while i'm driving on the highway and around 800 on idle (sometimes 700). Goes up to 1300 when i'm racing ... so it gives me a pretty good idea of what's going on ... i could take a pic for you if you want. It's in my downpipe, about an inch after where your J pipes connects to your S pipe.

i'll take pics of both tonight (where mine is and where on the stock exhaust i would put it).

[mdaj]

Haha. I want to install this tomorrow and I cannot decide if it will be the manifold or dp. I don't want to go through the pain of removing the manifold to install it. I have read so many preferences as to where to install the EGT that I am somewhat confused.

[Metal MP5]

i cant take pictures right now, the battery in my camera is dead .... maybe tonight or tomorrow

[Swerny]

i'm putting mine in the ES J-pipe. The wideband will aos be there when i get it.

[Brian MP5T]

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[Metal MP5]

aight who gave me neg rep ? at least leave your name if you have a problem with what i said

[QCMSP]

I just see the egt censor on 1 pic (help)


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[QCMSP]

if you can take it I'll be happy


i cant take pictures right now, the battery in my camera is dead .... maybe tonight or tomorrow

[QCMSP]

The ''ES-J-pipe'' it's the same pipe as the ''S pipe''.




i'm putting mine in the ES J-pipe. The wideband will aos be there when i get it.

[Metal MP5]

if you can take it I'll be happy

i'll have it tomorrow. i took the picture this afternoon but i just got home and its late and i wana go to bed lol

i'll post it in here

[Metal MP5]

here you go

EDIT: the 3rd picture is from the top ... you can see it in the middle, under the turbo

[Swerny]

The ''ES-J-pipe'' it's the same pipe as the ''S pipe''.

No, it;s in the spot where the stock J-pipe would be. I have the stock S-pipe.

[QCMSP]

It's a custom j-pipe or s-pipe + j pipe you have ??? looking good.

First ! I will try to put it in the j-pipe where we find a bunge with bolt covering it up. This bunge is where the non-turbo 2.0L have it 2nd 02sensor. it 's the same J pipe one on the MSP. Mazda have just put a blot on it. (screwy)



here you go

EDIT: the 3rd picture is from the top ... you can see it in the middle, under the turbo

[Metal MP5]

it's a custom exhaust ... my downpipe replaces the stock S and J pipes (between turbo and midpipe)

i think its a good spot to put it because the temp will never max out the EGT gauge, it'll never go up to 1600. Maybe Brian can tell us how high his goes since it's in his manifold ? we'll see if there's a big difference but i think that as long as you can see what idle temp is + regular driving temp + racing temp, then you know how long to let your car idle before you turn it off or you know when the temp is higher than it usually is


It's a custom j-pipe or s-pipe + j pipe you have ??? looking good.

First ! I will try to put it in the j-pipe where we find a bunge with bolt covering it up. This bunge is where the non-turbo 2.0L have it 2nd 02sensor. it 's the same J pipe one on the MSP. Mazda have just put a blot on it. (screwy)

[QCMSP]

I have install it today, I will post pics tomorow. Now my gauge read higher that zero (cool) héhéhé

[Metal MP5]

I have install it today, I will post pics tomorow. Now my gauge read higher that zero (cool) héhéhé

haha ouais c'est nice d'avoir la gauge qui sert a dequoi finalement ... moi ca a pris genre 2mois avant que je plug le probe apres avoir installer la gauge

[QCMSP]

pictures


one is take on the right side, second under and finaly all my gauges is working now (cabpatch)

what do you think of my install ???

[Metal MP5]

nice ... that pic of the EGT in the stock exhaust is EXACTLY what i was saying ... that's pretty much where mine is except its a different exhaust

[QCMSP]

Look what I have found on another forum (tanks forkboy )
I hope this can be helpfull for someone



I'm an after the turbine guy. Here is why.

I does not matter what the gauge reads as long as when your tuning it doesn't go higher then what your "normal" reading is. Your normal reading in the manifold is likely going to be 1600 deg which is 1400 behind the turbo. Keep in mind that 1600 degrees is the top of the gauge and when gauges get to their maximum or minimum for that matter they are not very accurate at all.

So your tuning at WOT and your gauge is pegged at 1600 where it should be how are you going to know if your having a problem when your already at the maximum your gauge reads? Your not because you put it in the manifold.

Same situation but your probe in the downpipe and it reads 1400 and you have a problem and all the sudden see it creep to 1500, well lookie there you can SEE your problem because you have some room left on the gauge to see it.

The point is the gauge is not accurate at all no matter where you put it so forget what the number says just put it where ever and watch it so that you don't see if change what where ever it is normally. If you wanna put your probe in your exhaust tip then go for it. As longas it reads 500 deg at WOT all the time then your good to go.

Honestly I don't tune with EGT I only look at it when I'm beating my car up on the highway because that is when it likes to really get hot. If I see it go over 1450 deg then I back off. I know to back off because I still have 150 deg of room left on the gauge to see it going on.

Now do you understand why autometer says after the turbine?

[Metal MP5]

exactly what i was saying ... the number itself doesnt mean anything, as long as you know what the normal operating temp is, wether is it 500 deg or 1200 deg, you'll know when something is wrong. if you put it in the manifold, it'll get to close to its max temp, if not higher and then your gauge/probe could be damaged. i've heard of EGT becoming permanently offset by some 100 deg or something like that after being at too close to 1600 deg for too long ... thats why i had mine put in my downpipe

[Turbobass]

keep in mind that it reads 1600deg in the manifold ... well ... there is already a problem , cause temp. in the exhaust manifold should be around 1500 instead , and 1200 on the other side of the turbo.I've cheked the air fuel mixture of a stock MSP on the dyno with a wide band O2 sensor , and (boom05) , we have found that Mazda doesent know what they are doing when i comes to turbocharging ..... the mixture is to rich or to lean , there is no middle .....

[Focus]

keep in mind that it reads 1600deg in the manifold ... well ... there is already a problem , cause temp. in the exhaust manifold should be around 1500 instead , and 1200 on the other side of the turbo.I've cheked the air fuel mixture of a stock MSP on the dyno with a wide band O2 sensor , and (boom05) , we have found that Mazda doesent know what they are doing when i comes to turbocharging ..... the mixture is to rich or to lean , there is no middle .....

This is all at stock boost. Believe me when I tell you the temps are not 1500° in my manifold. I would say 1700-1900

[QCMSP]

I read a little below1300F when I push the car hard, The only mod I have is the gauges ( translation= stock engine) and my prob is after the turbo ,not so close of it. (check the pics I have post) I Think temp will be higher in the manif neer the engine head. probably neer 1600F .... the gauges don't read after that...

[QCMSP]

If I understand, it's a good idea to install a fuel management on a msp.


keep in mind that it reads 1600deg in the manifold ... well ... there is already a problem , cause temp. in the exhaust manifold should be around 1500 instead , and 1200 on the other side of the turbo.I've cheked the air fuel mixture of a stock MSP on the dyno with a wide band O2 sensor , and (boom05) , we have found that Mazda doesent know what they are doing when i comes to turbocharging ..... the mixture is to rich or to lean , there is no middle .....

[Metal MP5]

I wouldnt say that mazda doesnt know what its doing when its comes to turbocharging, just that they didn't think it was worth it to spend too much time tuning a protege that they werent going to produce for more than 2 years.

do RX7s have the same problems ?