Unichip meets Dynamometer (Blah, blah, blah)

[Professor MSP]

Well I finally took my MSP to a local tuner, Central Florida Turbo (CFT), and put it on their Mustang dynamometer. The trip was initiated by what I thought was some light knocking above 5000 rpms with the Unichip boost on and map A engaged. I was wrong about the knocking, as Rolo (the tuner at CFT with 20+ years of turbo tuning experience) did not detect even the slightest hint of knock on any of the three pulls. Needless to say, I am relieved. Rolo thought I was a bit paranoid (I am), and made an unsolicited remark saying that the Unichip was "very well tuned for my car." I take this as unbiased and strong praise for Unichip and its tuners, seeing as Rolo is apparently well-known around here as an excellent tuner. On to the dynamometer results.

First off, I do not have data files for my three runs, sorry. I forgot to ask for the files even though I had the foresight to bring my disk-on-key memory stick to download them on. I did get various hardcopies of the three pulls, each of which displays various information about each pull. Because the pulls were made on a Mustang dynamometer, I was informed that I would have to adjust my whp and wtq numbers upward by a minimum of 15% to make them comparable to those that I would record on a Dynojet dynamometer. Rolo said an 18% upward adjustment is more typical. He explained the technical reasons for why one must do so, but I do not recall the details accurately anymore. Anyway, here are some details (I will use a conservative 15% adjustment). My modifications can be seen in my signature. All pulls were made in third gear.

Run 1: Stock boost (7.5 peak trailing to 6.0 at redline) and map A. Peak WHP = 167 * 1.15 = 192.05. Peak WTQ = 161.2 * 1.15 = 185.38. AFR was in the range of 12.0 to 12.3 trailing off to 11.6 just before redline. Both Rolo and Tony at Unichip thought the AFR was fine at this low boost setting. I was happy with the WHP and WTQ numbers. No knock was detected.

Run 2: High boost (11 peak trailing to 9.0 at redline) and map A. Peak WHP = 180 * 1.15 = 207. Peak WTQ = 179.9 * 1.15 = 206.89. AFR was in the range of 11.3 to 11.6 trailing off to 11.0 just before redline. Again Rolo and Tony thought the AFR was fine at this high boost setting. Rolo said the AFR would safely support a boost of 11 at redline (rods notwithstanding). No knock ws detected. Assuming a 10% driveline loss, my BHP number is about 19 lower than what Unichip reports on their site, but my TQ number is about 6 higher than what they report. Overall, in my opinion, this is consistent with what they reported.

Run 3: Stock boost (7.5 peak trailing to 6.0 at redline) and map B. Peak WHP = 164 * 1.15 = 188.6. Peak WTQ = 161 * 1.15 = 185.15. AFR was in the range of 12.0 to 12.3 trailing off to 11.6 just before redline. Both Rolo and Tony thought the AFR was fine at this low boost setting. The car made a few more WHP on map A, but the difference is essentially negligible. Tony said I would see more power from map B if I used octane booster or some race gas. No knock was detected.

I am pleased with the results, especially the fact that no knocking was detected. The car pulls like a beast with high boost and map A.

[lamp3]

Looks like the unichip is doin its job =).

[Rism]

ewww CFT has a mustang dyno?

[mspeed101]

damn good numbers for only a smic, midpipe w/cat and unichip

[lamp3]

yep those numbers would be enough to keep me pacified for a bit

[low_psi]

hmm, I was hoping for 215-225whp... i think i'll still buy one though :)

[FBI14]

Its about time someone did this with a Unichip

(2thumbs)

[atticus1398]

I also have the unichip. I havent put in the EBC yet(cold here), I will next month. Question is how far through the RPM range is boost spike at 11psi. I am also extremely paranoid and a little worried about that. Was thinking about a greddy profec instead, if it handles the spike any better.

[Professor MSP]

hmm, I was hoping for 215-225whp... i think i'll still buy one though :)

If you adjust the numbers upward by 18%, as suggested by Rolo, you will get the following numbers (high boost and map A):

Peak WHP = 180 * 1.18 = 212.4 and Peak WTQ = 179.9 * 1.15 = 212.28.

Note also my lack of a CAI, which may yield a few more WHP and WTQ. Moreover, I spiked to 11 psi rather than my more typical 12 to 13 psi. Anyway, I think this setup puts you about where you want to be, and with a safe AFR.


lamp3: I agree with you in that Unichip is doing what is was claimed to do (at least on my car). I am pacified too. I am not looking for any more power than I have. It is a great daily driver as configured right now.

mspeed101: I concur.

atticus1398: The Unichip was designed to spike at approximating 13 psi and trail off to approximately 10 psi at redline (confirmed by reading documentaion and speaking with Tony at Unichip). I typically see a 12–12.5 psi spike at approximately 4000-4500 rpms in third gear, and then a quick bleed to about 9-9.5 psi by redline. First and second gear exhibit lower spikes. In all cases the spike is very brief and the bleed to 9–9.5 psi happens quickly, so its not pushing over 10 psi but for more than an instant.

[brealmp3]

any info on unichip's website or anything so i can look into this?

Thanks

[low_psi]

Professor, ah yes, you used 15% earlier, can you tell I hadn't slept yet? :)

[KySpeed]

dude i made 170 on a mustang dyno w/only 9psi.

[mspeed101]

dude i made 170 on a mustang dyno w/only 9psi.:bs:









lol.. jk

[FSDET]

dude i made 170 on a mustang dyno w/only 9psi.
whats ur point sir

[gboromsp]

This past summer I made 218 whp on a mustang dyno with a fmic, midpipe, greddy sp2, injen cai, and unichip. It was about 85 degrees outside that day. I was very happy with those numbers. If you multiply that by the 1.1 it would have put me at 250.7 whp. Now that seems a little high to me, but those were my numbers. I have the dyno sheet hanging right here on the wall.

[mspeed101]

This past summer I made 218 whp on a mustang dyno with a fmic, midpipe, greddy sp2, injen cai, and unichip. It was about 85 degrees outside that day. I was very happy with those numbers. If you multiply that by the 1.1 it would have put me at 250.7 whp. Now that seems a little high to me, but those were my numbers. I have the dyno sheet hanging right here on the wall.Are you sure that wasnt on a dynojet? 250whp with only bolt ons and unichip seems very high to me unless you have some kind of factory freak and the only person I know of that has one of those is 505zoom.

[JBreed]

This past summer I made 218 whp on a mustang dyno with a fmic, midpipe, greddy sp2, injen cai, and unichip. It was about 85 degrees outside that day. I was very happy with those numbers. If you multiply that by the 1.1 it would have put me at 250.7 whp. Now that seems a little high to me, but those were my numbers. I have the dyno sheet hanging right here on the wall.

what does multiply 1.1 mean specifically

[JBreed]

This past summer I made 218 whp on a mustang dyno with a fmic, midpipe, greddy sp2, injen cai, and unichip. It was about 85 degrees outside that day. I was very happy with those numbers. If you multiply that by the 1.1 it would have put me at 250.7 whp. Now that seems a little high to me, but those were my numbers. I have the dyno sheet hanging right here on the wall.


maybe i should ask why multiply by 1.1

[gboromsp]

Actually it should say 1.15, the reason for this is on a dynojet a car typically makes 15% more horsepower, thus multiplying 218x1.15=250.7 whp

I'm sure it was on mustang dyno. I will take a pic of the dyno sheet and post it in a sec.



maybe i should ask why multiply by 1.1

[Projekt Tuner]

yah with mine * 1.15 I was Making 1000 whp and 900 wtq. Unichip ROCKS!!! :) .....

[byohndspeed]

did that say 415tq?

[spacemonkey]

Rolo is a great guy. I have a emanage that needs tunning but im short on money to complete the project.

[BlkZoomZoom]

Are you sure that wasnt on a dynojet? 250whp with only bolt ons and unichip seems very high to me unless you have some kind of factory freak and the only person I know of that has one of those is 505zoom.

I think everybody forgot about Joe (or kwiktsi). He made 267 on stock turbo with a 3" exhaust, some good gas, and some luck.

Also if you do some simple calculations from E.T. to hp, I make around 260-275hp at the wheels....

[mspeed101]

I think everybody forgot about Joe (or kwiktsi). He made 267 on stock turbo with a 3" exhaust, some good gas, and some luck.

Also if you do some simple calculations from E.T. to hp, I make around 260-275hp at the wheels....yea but your stock so that doesnt count ;)

[mspeed101]

did that say 415tq?Yea whats up with the torque? (screwy)

[gboromsp]

I have no idea, both times that i've been on this dyno the torque number was off.



Yea whats up with the torque? (screwy)

[low_psi]

beacuse its not in ft/lbs. its in newtons.

[JBreed]

I think everybody forgot about Joe (or kwiktsi). He made 267 on stock turbo with a 3" exhaust, some good gas, and some luck.

Also if you do some simple calculations from E.T. to hp, I make around 260-275hp at the wheels....


stock MSP running13.15...whatever!

[BlkZoomZoom]

Stock appearing, using factory parts Ma' Mazda has given us.

Wanna run?

[UnNaturalinc]

Can you post a picture of the graph?

I'm curious how it compares.
http://unichip.us/vehicle_search_results1.asp# <---- crank hp numbers

[mspeed101]

Stock appearing, using factory parts Ma' Mazda has given us.

Wanna run?I'll run you!!! just give me a second head start in the 1/4 mile :p

[hazeXban]

I am sure it is posted elsewhere

But does the Unichip pull timing for the increased boost? i am flashed and don't want the timing being advanced to kill me with raised boost.

[UnNaturalinc]

I am sure it is posted elsewhere

But does the Unichip pull timing for the increased boost? i am flashed and don't want the timing being advanced to kill me with raised boost.

I'm not 100% sure on the mapping, but would assume they did..... However, the second MSP Unichip tested was in fact flashed and there are a number of flashed MSP's running the Unichip.

[mp3moose]

Why were the pulls done in 3rd and not 4th gear? Also, I am not sure that 15% increase from dynoing on a musting is correct. Otherwise my 113 mustand hp is really 130 on a dynojet. I don't think I am making that much hp.

[Professor MSP]

Why were the pulls done in 3rd and not 4th gear? Also, I am not sure that 15% increase from dynoing on a musting is correct. Otherwise my 113 mustand hp is really 130 on a dynojet. I don't think I am making that much hp.

I was not told a technical reason why the pulls were done in third, as opposed to fourth, gear. I did ask what gear they would be made in, and the technician and head tuner both said third was the appropriate gear.

The same goes for the 15% increase they said to tack on to the Mustang dyno – both individuals said the same thing. Some evidence backing up their claim is the fact that when the 15% adjustment is made, and a further 10% driveline loss is figured in, the horsepower and torque numbers I get (at the flywheel) are quite close to those reported by Unichip on their website.

[atticus1398]

our cars are supposed to be dynod in 3rd. dyno in 4th for tuning.
i forget something to do with a 1/1 ratio.

[mp3moose]

Yes, 4th is the closest ratio to 1:1 in the protege thus dynos should be done in that gear.

[exNeon]

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